Aliens and UFO's- Is the truth out there?

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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
How do you know? Provide your evidence.
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JCHateSteve said:
Who knows what it actually is. But it seems like there has been an uptick in sightings from military pilots. I find those more credible than some rando in his pickup.
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I'd say that these off earth visitors don't travel at "light speed" they'd have to travel interdimensional in order to move these great distances. Our concept of getting from one place to another is pretty "under developed" given the capabilities of the UAP's that have been captured on film.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Or maybe this is OUR **** and we are just pretending to not know what it is so our enemies don't suspect anything?
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I've often said the military doesn't asks for funding to make things. It asks for funding to justify the existence things it already has.

But it's not like you have civilians seeing the incidents in question here. Why not just stay quiet about it? I honestly don't see what the military has to gain from releasing this stuff at all.

Unless, they're trying to distract us from something. Or they are trying to get us ready for something they know that can't keep a lid on much longer.

We're about to see a major uptick in the scientific community's ability to track extra solar objects that pass through the system. We keep hearing new places that life might be possible here as well, (Europa, Titan, Enceladus, Ceres, Triton, the clouds of Venus, Pluto, underground on Mars). There are planets in the habitable zones of both Alpha and Proxima Centari. It's almost like they're trying to warm us up to the idea that we're not alone. Even if said life isn't intelligent.
 
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Septic said:
I'd say that these off earth visitors don't travel at "light speed" they'd have to travel interdimensional in order to move these great distances. Our concept of getting from one place to another is pretty "under developed" given the capabilities of the UAP's that have been captured on film.
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They don't appear to be effected by whatever medium they are traveling through. Which is a pretty significant advance. I could see doing that before figuring out FTL travel though.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
I've often said the military doesn't asks for funding to make things. It asks for funding to justify the existence things it already has.

But it's not like you have civilians seeing the incidents in question here. Why not just stay quiet about it? I honestly don't see what the military has to gain from releasing this stuff at all.

Unless, they're trying to distract us from something. Or they are trying to get us ready for something they know that can't keep a lid on much longer.

We're about to see a major uptick in the scientific community's ability to track extra solar objects that pass through the system. We keep hearing new places that life might be possible here as well, (Europa, Titan, Enceladus, Ceres, Triton, the clouds of Venus, Pluto, underground on Mars). There are planets in the habitable zones of both Alpha and Proxima Centari. It's almost like they're trying to warm us up to the idea that we're not alone. Even if said life isn't intelligent.
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I just don't buy it. I feel like what is by far more likely is either A.) This is secret tech another country is using that we don't have or B.) What I suggested, which is this is our tech and through "plausible deniability" we are trying to ensure that no one else suspects that we have it and attempts to steal or replicate it. Because lets face it, whoever gets THIS tech first...wins! This would be complete and total air superiority to the infinite degree!
 
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JCHateSteve said:
They don't appear to be effected by whatever medium they are traveling through. Which is a pretty significant advance. I could see doing that before figuring out FTL travel though.
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I read or saw a theory that instead of them moving through space and time, they're moving space and time around them. Or not pushing through "it" per se, but pulling "it" around them, big brain stuff. I don't really know but the fact that the .gov isn't even denying it anymore and people aren't completely weirded out either means they're not paying attention or they don't believe it. I'm kind of weirded out and completely fascinated, I've never thought we were alone in the universe, it's arrogant to believe that IMO.
 
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Septic said:
I read or saw a theory that instead of them moving through space and time, they're moving space and time around them. Or not pushing through "it" per se, but pulling "it" around them, big brain stuff. I don't really know but the fact that the .gov isn't even denying it anymore and people aren't completely weirded out either means they're not paying attention or they don't believe it. I'm kind of weirded out and completely fascinated, I've never thought we were alone in the universe, it's arrogant to believe that IMO.
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Kinda sounds like the warp drive nasa has theories about. For the record, I don't think we're alone. I just question the viability of traveling the absurd distance involved, and whether we would be interesting to any species that could. So I doubt we've been visited.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
I just don't buy it. I feel like what is by far more likely is either A.) This is secret tech another country is using that we don't have or B.) What I suggested, which is this is our tech and through "plausible deniability" we are trying to ensure that no one else suspects that we have it and attempts to steal or replicate it. Because lets face it, whoever gets THIS tech first...wins! This would be complete and total air superiority the infinite degree!
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It could very well be somebody else's. I question the idea of putting video of it out there, if we don't want anyone to know it exists. You don't alert people to something you want to hide.

Either way, you can still use the footage to warm people up to the idea that we aren't alone. It's actual origin isn't important for that. My guess is we're gonna find something soon and they don't want the masses to flip out. That something will probably be single cell critters. But even that will shake some people's world view.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
Kinda sounds like the warp drive nasa has theories about. For the record, I don't think we're alone. I just question the viability of traveling the absurd distance involved, and whether we would be interesting to any species that could. So I doubt we've been visited.
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Kind of by default, the fact that the technology exists and has existed for decades clearly means that what "your' and "my" understanding of the viability of traveling absurd distances isn't really relevant.

Imagine being a sheep herder in the time of Hammurabi and seeing a Boeing 787 fly over head. Now extrapolate the technology that could be millions or billions of "years" more advanced than where are; not being able to reconcile something isn't a very firm place to plant what's viable, or not, to our understanding.
 
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Septic said:
I read or saw a theory that instead of them moving through space and time, they're moving space and time around them. Or not pushing through "it" per se, but pulling "it" around them, big brain stuff. I don't really know but the fact that the .gov isn't even denying it anymore and people aren't completely weirded out either means they're not paying attention or they don't believe it. I'm kind of weirded out and completely fascinated, I've never thought we were alone in the universe, it's arrogant to believe that IMO.
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I believe that technology was pioneered by Dr. Farnsworth IIRC.
 
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Septic said:
Kind of by default, the fact that the technology exists and has existed for decades clearly means that what "your' and "my" understanding of the viability of traveling absurd distances isn't really relevant.

Imagine being a sheep herder in the time of Hammurabi and seeing a Boeing 787 fly over head. Now extrapolate the technology that could be millions or billions of "years" more advanced than where are; not being able to reconcile something isn't a very firm place to plant what's viable, or not, to our understanding.
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We're seeing something move through a medium without being effected by it. A major advance, but not one that necessarily implies FTL travel, much less dimensional travel. With a leap that big we might as well postulate its a human device from the future sent to study the distant past. We're defying our current understanding of physics either way.

The point also remains, why would we be interesting to something that advanced? Why bother screwing with our military? It would be like humans sending a predator drone to intimidate an ant colony.
 
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Septic said:
Kind of by default, the fact that the technology exists and has existed for decades clearly means that what "your' and "my" understanding of the viability of traveling absurd distances isn't really relevant.

Imagine being a sheep herder in the time of Hammurabi and seeing a Boeing 787 fly over head. Now extrapolate the technology that could be millions or billions of "years" more advanced than where are; not being able to reconcile something isn't a very firm place to plant what's viable, or not, to our understanding.
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Hell you wouldn't have to go THAT far back. Go back to 1939 and show President Roosevelt video conferencing through an iPad or iPhone. HE would think that it was alien technology!
 
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JCHateSteve said:
We're seeing something move through a medium without being effected by it. A major advance, but not one that necessarily implies FTL travel, much less dimensional travel. With a leap that big we might as well postulate its a human device from the future sent to study the distant past. We're defying our current understanding of physics either way.

The point also remains, why would we be interesting to something that advanced? Why bother screwing with our military? It would be like humans sending a predator drone to intimidate an ant colony.
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I wonder, do these uap's defy physics or do they just defy our current understanding of physics?

If we had the capability of observing extra terrestrial life, wouldn't we? In fact, aren't we doing that as we speak on Mars? Knowing what makes a different species "tick" is an important advancement of knowledge. Who can be sure? Perhaps they're here to save us from our selves?

We've already known that (at least once) these UAP's showed up over one of our minuteman sites and placed our nukes into a "no-go" status.

My guess is that they have and could still do pretty do what ever they want with impunity.
 
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Septic said:
I wonder, do these uap's defy physics or do they just defy our current understanding of physics?

If we had the capability of observing extra terrestrial life, wouldn't we? In fact, aren't we doing that as we speak on Mars? Knowing what makes a different species "tick" is an important advancement of knowledge. Who can be sure? Perhaps they're here to save us from our selves?

We've already known that (at least once) these UAP's showed up over one of our minuteman sites and placed our nukes into a "no-go" status.

My guess is that they have and could still do pretty do what ever they want with impunity.
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I don't think they actually break any laws of physics. I think it basically comes down to us claiming that our material science hasn't caught up to a point where we can physically pull off what these vehicles are doing.
 
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Septic said:
I wonder, do these uap's defy physics or do they just defy our current understanding of physics?

If we had the capability of observing extra terrestrial life, wouldn't we? In fact, aren't we doing that as we speak on Mars? Knowing what makes a different species "tick" is an important advancement of knowledge. Who can be sure? Perhaps they're here to save us from our selves?

We've already known that (at least once) these UAP's showed up over one of our minuteman sites and placed our nukes into a "no-go" status.

My guess is that they have and could still do pretty do what ever they want with impunity.
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Well I said it defies our "current understanding of physics".

To me the fixation with our military capability implies these UAPs are either terrestrial in origin, or come from a species not so far ahead to us. Why bother if overcoming our defense is trivial? Also you would think something as advanced as you suggest would be able to hide from us if academic study was the goal. I just don't see what these UAPs are doing as quite so far advanced as you. It's maybe a generation or two ahead of where I thought we were. We went from flying the first plane to a helicopter on another plant in less than 200 years.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
Well I said it defies our "current understanding of physics".

To me the fixation with our military capability implies these UAPs are either terrestrial in origin, or come from a species not so far ahead to us. Why bother if overcoming our defense is trivial? Also you would think something as advanced as you suggest would be able to hide from us if academic study was the goal. I just don't see what these UAPs are doing as quite so far advanced as you. It's maybe a generation or two ahead of where I thought we were. We went from flying the first plane to a helicopter on another plant in less than 200 years.
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They are seemingly using some kind of anti-gravity propulsion system that's unlike anything currently available (so far as we know). There's no visible propulsion system on the crafts themselves and they do not emit any kind of contrail. From everything I've read, it's not that we don't know HOW it works. I think scientists know exactly how they COULD make it work and it breaks no laws of physics. The problem is that our material science has not caught up that would make it possible for us to build such a craft. In other words, we do not have access to materials necessary, natural or synthetically engineered, that would allow us to construct such air crafts. Then again, I've always operated under the assumption that our military/space tech is always a couple of generations ahead of what the public is aware of. So who knows? I still say this is our stuff and we are trying to hide it in plain site by plausible deniability. At least that is what would seem most likely.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
They are seemingly using some kind of anti-gravity propulsion system that's unlike anything currently available (so far as we know). There's no visible propulsion system on the crafts themselves and they do not emit any kind of contrail. From everything I've read, it's not that we don't know HOW it works. I think scientists know exactly how they COULD make it work and it breaks no laws of physics. The problem is that our material science has not caught up that would make it possible for us to build such a craft. In other words, we do not have access to materials necessary, natural or synthetically engineered, that would allow us to construct such air crafts. Then again, I've always operated under the assumption that our military/space tech is always a couple of generations ahead of what the public is aware of. So who knows? I still say this is our stuff and we are trying to hide it in plain site by plausible deniability. At least that is what would seem most likely.
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Good info of the physics part. I generally agree with all of that too. You just normally see this sort of thing when the public gets wind of it. Look at Roswell. Something crashed, so that had to say something. I'm firmly believe that was a test plane, and they just used the Alien conspiracy angle as a convenient way to cover up that they crashed a top secret project in a field. I find it odd that they are releasing this unprompted, if it's our tech. That's what makes me think they are getting out ahead of something. Maybe they are preparing to admit another leap forward in flight tech. But there's been a lot of stuff come out in the last 5 or 10 years to make people think they're going to find life elsewhere soon too. I guess I'm just hoping they're connected.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
Good info of the physics part. I generally agree with all of that too. You just normally see this sort of thing when the public gets wind of it. Look at Roswell. Something crashed, so that had to say something. I'm firmly believe that was a test plane, and they just used the Alien conspiracy angle as a convenient way to cover up that they crashed a top secret project in a field. I find it odd that they are releasing this unprompted, if it's our tech. That's what makes me think they are getting out ahead of something. Maybe they are preparing to admit another leap forward in flight tech. But there's been a lot of stuff come out in the last 5 or 10 years to make people think they're going to find life elsewhere soon too. I guess I'm just hoping they're connected.
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If we do find life on another planet, I hope it's microbial. I do not want us to find intelligent life elsewhere. People say they think the discovery of aliens would destroy religion. I say baloney! I think it would only create MORE of it and the last thing I want is some nutcase knocking on my door to share the good news of ET with me!
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
If we do find life on another planet, I hope it's microbial. I do not want us to find intelligent life elsewhere. People say they think the discovery of aliens would destroy religion. I say baloney! I think it would only create MORE of it and the last thing I want is some nutcase knocking on my door to share the good news of ET with me!
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Brave Volunteer said:
If we do find life on another planet, I hope it's microbial. I do not want us to find intelligent life elsewhere. People say they think the discovery of aliens would destroy religion. I say baloney! I think it would only create MORE of it and the last thing I want is some nutcase knocking on my door to share the good news of ET with me!
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My guess is it'll be single cell critters and it'll be somewhere in our own solar system. If FTL is a thing, I'm not convinced we would even recognize a civilization using it, right now. Nasa's warp drive research is cool, but we're not getting FTL any time soon. So we don't really know what we're looking for even if the hypothetical aliens are using it. Here's a link on it, because I think it's interesting
Intriguing Warp Drive Research Dashes Faster Than Light Travel Dreams – But Reveals Stranger Possibilities – SciTechDaily

As for religion, I'm sure it will change around the new information. It's been doing that for a long as we've had society. It'll be hard for those that refuse to accept the new information. But that's a pretty small group that only shrinks over time.
 
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