Aliens and UFO's- Is the truth out there?

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Roustabout said:
The problem is your conclusion doesn’t follow.
If God knows this as you say, then he also knows the consummation of all the things. He knows the end reality.

So, how can you in your temporal state know that ultimate conclusion to those events isnt worth it?
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Ahhh the classic cop out "our puny finite minds can't comprehend God's divine providence, therefore we dare not question it blah blah blah" answer. How convenient that Christians play that card anytime they have no logical answer to a perfectly reasonable and logical question.
 
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Discussion of UFOs involve two kinds of people, those who have observed the evidence and those who have not. Those who have had a close encounter incline to avoid talking about it with people who haven't. If you are in the first group, then you face the challenge of accepting what you know. If you are in the second group, then you are free to idly speculate about what you do not know.
 
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Vol Main said:
Discussion of UFOs involve two kinds of people, those who have observed the evidence and those who have not. Those who have had a close encounter incline to avoid talking about it with people who haven't. If you are in the first group, then you face the challenge of accepting what you know. If you are in the second group, then you are free to idly speculate about what you do not know.
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Given that they're UFOs, isn't the first group also speculating about what they do not know, by definition?
 
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Vol Main said:
Discussion of UFOs involve two kinds of people, those who have observed the evidence and those who have not. Those who have had a close encounter incline to avoid talking about it with people who haven't. If you are in the first group, then you face the challenge of accepting what you know. If you are in the second group, then you are free to idly speculate about what you do not know.
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Sounds like you're just setting it up that you can believe what you want free from any skepticism. Also your simplistic groupings are made up of a ton of assumption.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
I don't want to turn this into a religious debate or anything but here's my stance on Christianity. Assuming that all the events of the Bible took place exactly as they are written, and God absolutely is as Christians describe him, which is all-knowing, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, righteous, "perfect", etc. Then the whole thing falls apart from the very beginning. Why? Because if you are to believe these characteristics of God, then you have to believe that before God ever created mankind, he already knew that Satan would tempt Eve. He already knew that she and Adam would fall from grace, introducing sin into the world. That single event, according to scripture, is what officially put us as human beings "on the clock." It's the single event that birthed SOOOO much tragedy, suffering, abhorrent acts of vile, despicable cruelty. It's the single event that introduced mortality, which has given way to sickness, suffering, death, etc.....and I'll be damned if God didn't go ahead and go through with it anyway. Now, here's my question. Does it make ANY logical sense to you, that a God that possesses the characteristics that Christians profess him to have, would have willingly gone through with creating mankind WITH the knowledge that it was all going to lead to this?? That doesn't seem very merciful to me at all. The merciful thing to have done was to never create us in the first place. The logical and just thing to have done was to say "you know what, maybe this isn't such a good idea."

Or I could just quote George Carlin when he said "As soon as they introduced a talking snake, I knew it was bull$hit."
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To quote Bill Burr: "Dude you made me, so this is your eff up. You give me freedom of choice, you make whores, you have me suck at math and you don't think this thing's gonna go off the rails?"
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Yes. UFO’s does not mean their are little green men out there in the universe. It may be natural phenomena that is misunderstood or in most cases identified incorrectly.
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There are two kinds of people who discuss this issue, those who have observed evidence and those who have not not observed evidence. The first group inclines to only speak of what they know. The second group only discusses what they do not know. Deny as you will, you appear to be among the second group who has not observed and does not know. Ironically, those who do not know incline to talk with more authority than those who do.
 
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Vol Main said:
There are two kinds of people who discuss this issue, those who have observed evidence and those who have not not observed evidence. The first group inclines to only speak of what they know. The second group only discusses what they do not know. Deny as you will, you appear to be among the second group who has not observed and does not know. Ironically, those who do not know incline to talk with more authority than those who do.
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So here's the thing: Unless you have had a "close encounter of the third kind" or saw actual beings outside their vehicles or communicated with them somehow, then any explanatory claims you may make regarding aerial phenomena you witnessed can only be speculative.

Even if you did have a close encounter, unless they took you out into space you're still speculating as to their origin. Instead of extraterrestrial, they could be an advanced species that's been here all along, hiding under the ocean or some crazy shìt (hey, there are weirder theories than that out there) or maybe they're just not as dimensionally confined as we are. Or whatever.

The point is, we witness unusual phenomena in the sky, even at reasonably close range, and in the absence of actual verifiable knowledge we apply speculation. It can be very reasoned speculation or wildass imaginings or anything in between but that's all it is, and it usually heavily influenced by our own presuppositions. Someday that speculation may be proven correct — or incorrect — but that's still what it is.

I don't doubt you witnessed something any more than I doubt there's something really strange in those videos. And sure, those may turn out to be extraterrestrial craft. But we don't yet know that. For me there are a lot of other avenues of investigation to go down before you get to space aliens.

It's kind of like that "ghost" video where the guy hears the noise downstairs and goes down to find the faucets have all been turned on. If that happened to me, my first thought wouldn't be ghosts but rather, who the f***'s in my house?? It's a damn security issue first.

I absolutely believe there is other intelligent life in the universe; it's really hard to imagine how there wouldn't be. I'm not so convinced that any of them are coming to see us, if they're aware of us at all. We're kind of an inconsequential crumb on the floor in a corner of an unimaginably vast warehouse. But that's just my take.
 
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Vol Main said:
There are two kinds of people who discuss this issue, those who have observed evidence and those who have not not observed evidence. The first group inclines to only speak of what they know. The second group only discusses what they do not know. Deny as you will, you appear to be among the second group who has not observed and does not know. Ironically, those who do not know incline to talk with more authority than those who do.
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I’ll believe when there is confirmed verifiable evidence. Same thing applies for Bigfoot,Yeti, and Ghosts. People like to use their imagination and tell a good tale.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
I’ll believe when there is confirmed verifiable evidence. Same thing applies for Bigfoot,Yeti, and Ghosts. People like to use their imagination and tell a good tale.
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You have to be pretty narrow minded to believe we're the only out there
But let me guess, you believe in God
 
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