All Beck related discussions from last night (merged)

#277
#277
preacherman20 said:
I can't believe this is the first one to respond this. When they kept showing his glove, I'm thinking how do you get by with having that stitched into your glove on national tv throughout a season. Or the slogan at Georgia Southern being posted on everything. Not a fan of what Beck did but as I told someone this morning these are good guys at heart. Heat of the moment. Mine has gotten trashed for his Let's Go last year against Florida but it was the culmination of a tough game. He showed intensity and not aimed at anyone. I don't know that any of us truly know what caused Beck to do it or even who it was directed at unless he has said something I've not seen. The average fan cannot imagine the things that are said from dugout to dugout and player to player in almost every game. I don't have a bit of a problem with bat flips unless you do it at the other team or bench. Not my thing but I understand today's culture is different. I've not seen one of ours do it at another bench which is what happened with Auburn. I'm sure the so called alumni have no problem with using FU which to me is worse than the middle finger but it's the culture we live in. Don't really care for either but that is me.
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From your perspective, compare our celebrations, chippyness and bat flips to what you see from other teams. I’ve said it before I don’t consider us stand outs anymore.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Doing the Gator chomp is different than giving the bird. The chomp is an acceptable gesture that UF's own players use for celebration, and I don't see why an opponent doing it is any different.

But, generally, yes, I am not a fan of Beck's gesture, and I can certainly see how opponent's fans wouldn't like it either. That said, I am a UT fan and will continue to support this team and enjoy their winning and celebrations as well. As fans, we can "not like it" but still support and root them on.

I also agree with you that there are other programs who do this kind of stuff, too. Arkansas is obsessed with us, and they have a player that they call Bat Flip Jesus. Talk about hypocrisy.
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Here’s a question. Is Texas going to push for the SEC to implement a penalty for the “Horns Down” celebration like the Big 12 has done? I remember them giving John Kelly(?) a penalty down in the swamp after he did the chomp after scoring a TD. They need to get rid of these double standard rules.
 
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#280
vol9799 said:
Question, what was your take on Grant taunting UF with the Gator chop after the win in Gainesville three years ago? Classless isn't a term I ever think of associating with Grant but it was essentially the same message delivered in the same way. Both got "caught up in the heat of the moment" and did something they probably wouldn't have done outside the arena of competition.

To me, that's the problem with the antiseptic argument that individuals shouldn't get caught up in their emotions during an emotional competition, these kinds will happen occasionally. That they happen doesn't make them right. But I take issue with our team's "antics" being highlighted while other "acceptable" forms of baseball gamesmanship are condoned. I don't care for the strutting, bat flipping, bird flipping or the goofy second base celebration; but they aren't any more immature or morally deficient than players cussing each other from the dugout, bean-balls, charging the mound, verbal or other taunting in the basepath. Those are considered "part of the game" because they are traditional and considered more subtle, but they aren't really any different.

I disagree with our fans who promote this kind of behavior but I also disagree with highlighting and griping about it to create controversy and division within the fan base. Just my personal take: let CTV and Jordan's parents deal with it. We as fans can focus on the Super Regional and being parents/guardians that actually teach our kids what is (and is not) acceptable behavior in competition rather than allowing amateur or professional athletes to have more influence than we do.
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Short answer to your Grant/Florida question; I wasn't a fan of it. Seemed unnecessary but also didn't involve any sort of vulgar language/gestures. Was it classless? Yeah, probably, but to a lesser degree because of that. And true, Grant Williams isn't someone I'd associate with the term "classless", but you can show a lack of class in a moment and it not define you on the whole, just as this situation doesn't define Jordan Beck on the whole.
 
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We have no idea, Baseball games are full of Chatter and Jawing. Embarrassed, hell no.
There is more to the story of which we do not know....Somebody thought it could have been directed at the RF, probably correct...Don't know Don't Care...but IMO it wasn't out of the blue type event...nor was it embarrassing....GA Tech ain't complaining about it, or did I miss something...
 
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What I can't get over is that we're actually talking arrogance and behavior like this in the same sentence with "UT baseball". My how things have changed. Who'da thunk it?
 
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9296potsguy said:
my thoughts are that ESPN wants to make a big deal about it to minimize what they did to Russell. Time for deflection!
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Yesterday I tried pulling up the game where the ESPN announcer made the comment about Russell. Kept getting an error saying it wasn’t available. I wanted to see if they edited the broadcast and took out that bit.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Doing the Gator chomp is different than giving the bird. The chomp is an acceptable gesture that UF's own players use for celebration, and I don't see why an opponent doing it is any different.

But, generally, yes, I am not a fan of Beck's gesture, and I can certainly see how opponent's fans wouldn't like it either. That said, I am a UT fan and will continue to support this team and enjoy their winning and celebrations as well. As fans, we can "not like it" but still support and root them on.

I also agree with you that there are other programs who do this kind of stuff, too. Arkansas is obsessed with us, and they have a player that they call Bat Flip Jesus. Talk about hypocrisy.
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I think the only part of this I disagree with is whether doing the gator chomp, as Grant did it, was any different.

I don't see an appreciable different in telling someone to screw themselves versus giving them the finger. Society seems one vulgar and the other generally not so, but the spirit of what is being conveyed is the same. Same malice/ill will/desire to show the other folks up/effort to add insult to injury.

That is why I equated them, but I understand the different perspective.
 
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vol9799 said:
I think the only part of this I disagree with is whether doing the gator chomp, as Grant did it, was any different.

I don't see an appreciable different in telling someone to screw themselves versus giving them the finger. Society seems one vulgar and the other generally not so, but the spirit of what is being conveyed is the same. Same malice/ill will/desire to show the other folks up/effort to add insult to injury.

That is why I equated them, but I understand the different perspective.
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I have always thought if we can’t CHOMP we should UNCHOMP by starting with the open mouth and KEEPING it that way indicating the lack of successful bite action by the gators.

Edited to add maybe start open mouth and then go directly into the no good back and forth wave indicating a broken jaw.
 
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