Amanda Knox

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volgrad500 said:
This is an honest question.
I promise it is not meant to be a smart ass comment.
I'm an attorney, and I'm very interested in what motivates people's (and possible jurors') interests
Here's my question:
Why do ya;ll care about this case so much? I'm amazed at the level of knowledge some of you guys have about the facts. What makes you so interested?
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International intrigue...innocent young American girl with potentially 32 lost years and double jeopardy curb stomped :eek:hmy:...what's NOT to be interested in :huh:
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butchna said:
International intrigue...innocent young American girl with potentially 32 lost years and double jeopardy curb stomped :eek:hmy:...what's NOT to be interested in :huh:
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This isn't really double jeopardy. That's another myth. The Hellman ruling was not an overturn of the lower court's decision. He gave the accused a provisional release until the Supreme Court ruled and they sent it back to the lower court to re-consider certain aspects and who just now ruled 1/30/14. There will be a final appeal to the Supreme Court and it is expected they'll affirm the decision. Then when Italy files their extradition request the only thing they have to prove at the hearing is probable cause which the Massei report should supply. So, in other words, they never were acquitted.
 
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butchna said:
International intrigue...innocent young American girl with potentially 32 lost years and double jeopardy curb stomped :eek:hmy:...what's NOT to be interested in :huh:
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And, crime scene apparently jeopardized. Some facts seemed to have been made up, can't be positive on that one. DNA, in one report I read, on the knife was inconclusive. Unless someone confesses, we will never know who is guilty.
 
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Slydell said:
And, crime scene apparently jeopardized. Some facts seemed to have been made up, can't be positive on that one. DNA, in one report I read, on the knife was inconclusive. Unless someone confesses, we will never know who is guilty.
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No, it was LCN DNA so they couldn't run a second test because of the small amount of material. But, if you look at the profiles of the knife samples they yielded perfect peaks that included all the loci that matched both Kercher and Knox with very low background. The blood samples from the bra clasp matched Sollecito and 10 of 16 loci matched Knox and would include 1 in 37 people with this haplotype I believe.
 
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Sandvol said:
I don't really mean to get under your skin so easily. So Guede's DNA was the only non-corrupted DNA found at the crime scene? How'd that happen? Let me ask you a couple other questions: How did Guede commit the murder because by all accounts he was with Knox and Sollecito the night of the murder? Also, if Guede committed the murder alone why and how did he stage the break-in in the adjacent bedroom? Another, why would Knox falsely accuse Lumumba?
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SIAP, but maybe because he was the only one that committed the crime. :ermm:
 
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Sandvol said:
No, it was LCN DNA so they couldn't run a second test because of the small amount of material. But, if you look at the profiles of the knife samples they yielded perfect peaks that included all the loci that matched both Kercher and Knox with very low background.
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So, the knife matches now when it didn't before? The one I read was that Knox's DNA was on the handle, which was easily explainable, but the DNA sample on the blade was too insignificant to test.
 
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Slydell said:
So, the knife matches now when it didn't before? The one I read was that Knox's DNA was on the handle, which was easily explainable, but the DNA sample on the blade was too insignificant to test.
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No, it was tested at the lab in Rome by Dr. Stefanoni. Swab A yielded Knox's profile from the handle and swab B yielded Kercher's profile from the blade. That information is in the Massei report.
 
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Bremner, who offered her legal advice pro bono to the Knox family, questioned the validity of the DNA evidence, saying the knife had been "improperly transported in a shoe box."

Furthermore, Bremner said the jury heard from defense expert Sarah Gino, a geneticist and private coroner in Italy, who said that the DNA sample was too small to be definitive. Bremner said the presence of Knox's DNA on the knife handle was no surprise, as the couple had dinner at his house occasionally.
Prosecutors have maintained just because the knife doesn't match everything doesn't mean it wasn't used. The source close to the prosecution said it was possible, based on the wounds, that several different items made them.
 
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Slydell said:
Bremner, who offered her legal advice pro bono to the Knox family, questioned the validity of the DNA evidence, saying the knife had been "improperly transported in a shoe box."

Furthermore, Bremner said the jury heard from defense expert Sarah Gino, a geneticist and private coroner in Italy, who said that the DNA sample was too small to be definitive. Bremner said the presence of Knox's DNA on the knife handle was no surprise, as the couple had dinner at his house occasionally.
Prosecutors have maintained just because the knife doesn't match everything doesn't mean it wasn't used. The source close to the prosecution said it was possible, based on the wounds, that several different items made them.
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The prosecutors were just referring to the smaller wounds on the left side of her neck which Massei believes was caused by a second knife. Sollecito was known to carry a pocket knife but it was never recovered and couldn't explain its whereabouts. Both legal teams were invited to witness how the knife was handled and tested at the lab in Rome and Knox's attorney didn't even show. Sollecito's showed but had no objections to the court on how the evidence was handled or tested. (It was very professional. Stefanoni's lab was preparing for an upcoming ISO re-certification so everything was done at high standards.) Gino testified about the LCN DNA because the test could not be repeated because of the low amount of sample but again Sollecito's attorney was present and the samples yielded beautiful profiles for both Knox and Kercher.

P.S.-I don't know if you're familiar with how evidence is shipped but unless it is required to be refrigerated or packed in ice it is often shipped in sealed cardboard packaging.
 
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If the evidence was so conclusive, why all the trials? And, there will be more to come. Appeals will force another one.
 
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Slydell said:
If the evidence was so conclusive, why all the trials? And, there will be more to come. Appeals will force another one.
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It is the Italian system because they are very concerned with making sure the accused is treated justly. There was only one trial but everything else has been an appeal. There can only be one last appeal and it is already on its way. Then there will be the extradition circus.
 
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volgrad500 said:
This is an honest question.
I promise it is not meant to be a smart ass comment.
I'm an attorney, and I'm very interested in what motivates people's (and possible jurors') interests
Here's my question:
Why do ya;ll care about this case so much? I'm amazed at the level of knowledge some of you guys have about the facts. What makes you so interested?
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Are you a criminal attorney?
 
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When this circus was first happening over there my first thoughts were "boy I don't ever want to visit Italy." But, now that I have learned so much about their justice system I would have no problem visiting that country. They probably let more guilty go free than we do. And, these two were convicted of capital murder and only get 25 years and Guede 16. They will probably appeal their sentencing down too. I wonder how the family of Kercher feels about this?

16 years for a life.
 
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Sandvol said:
When this circus was first happening over there my first thoughts were "boy I don't ever want to visit Italy." But, now that I have learned so much about their justice system I would have no problem visiting that country. They probably let more guilty go free than we do. And, these two were convicted of capital murder and only get 25 years and Guede 16. They will probably appeal their sentencing down too. I wonder how the family of Kercher feels about this?

16 years for a life.
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If their system is so great and they are convinced of the evidence, why such a light sentence?
 
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Slydell said:
If their system is so great and they are convinced of the evidence, why such a light sentence?
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That is most of the justice system in Western Europe. Mostly very light sentences. It is mostly a socialist continent and just like the liberals in this country they seem to spend a whole lot more energy fighting for the rights of the criminals than the victims. When I say their system is good it is from the perspective that they have professional jurists who go out of their way to examine all aspects and evidence in a case to the smallest of details. They throw out a lot of evidence. Like for instance the blood print on the bed. Massei concluded the print was not a knife print because he felt there should be more blood even though it sure looked like a knife print and matched the knife. He threw a lot of other evidence out also. But, unfortunately for Knox and Sollecito there was so much evidence there was more than enough to convict them.
 
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Sandvol said:
That is most of the justice system in Western Europe. Mostly very light sentences. It is mostly a socialist continent and just like the liberals in this country they seem to spend a whole lot more energy fighting for the rights of the criminals than the victims.
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Oh, I see. I'll leave this thread now knowing where your intelligence is based. Good luck on your persecution.
 
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Slydell said:
Oh, I see. I'll leave this thread now knowing where your intelligence is based. Good luck on your persecution.
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What does that mean? I tend to be more of a libertarian. For instance I believe it is OK for gays to marry as long as the state allows it. I believe it is a state's rights issue like most things.
 
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I don't think Knox or Sollecito would be convicted with the tainted evidence or compromised crime scene evidence in this country. Just my opinion.
 
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That's another myth. There wasn't any tainted evidence or a compromised crime scene. It is very difficult though to convict a woman of murder in this country. Especially one that looks as good as Knox. Even Yeats killed all her children and was released by the courts.
 
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By all accounts Meredith was beautiful inside and out.
 

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Slydell said:
I don't think Knox or Sollecito would be convicted with the tainted evidence or compromised crime scene evidence in this country. Just my opinion.
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Sly, you won't sway this guy. He gets all his "facts" from the internet. Everybody knows, if it's on the internet, it must be true.
 
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Slydell said:
And, crime scene apparently jeopardized. Some facts seemed to have been made up, can't be positive on that one. DNA, in one report I read, on the knife was inconclusive. Unless someone confesses, we will never know who is guilty.
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Another travesty I failed to point out...how about DNA evidence kept in a shoe box :huh:...don't they drink out of spaghetti sauce jars...could have stored it there better...after they finished stomping on it like they were making wine :hi:
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Sandvol said:
That's another myth. There wasn't any tainted evidence or a compromised crime scene. It is very difficult though to convict a woman of murder in this country. Especially one that looks as good as Knox. Even Yeats killed all her children and was released by the courts.
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They claimed DNA evidence from a bra clasp that sat under a pile of trash for six weeks. That's not tainted evidence? That's not incompetence?

I'm surprised they bothered to put the so-called murder weapon in a shoebox. Wouldn't be surprising if it came out that the prosecution used it to cut up some steaks before they got around to testing it.
 
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