American Sniper

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hndog609 said:
We can make fun of LG, right?
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Yes. We can make fun of other posters, the Running Thread, workout threads can continue as long as we don't talk about products. the golf thread can exist solely as a means to discuss our individual games, the gaming forum can discuss how they play games (but not their opinions), and a couple of other threads. Prayer threads will now dominate the board!
 
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I don't know alot about his story but did he claim that he shot 30 looters from the roof of the superdome?

I'll like see the movie mostly to watch Cooper's performance, but knowing it is still a hollywood movie.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
The liberals really don't like this movie
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I don't think it is the movie itself that liberals (and libertarians for that matter) object to. The material seems to have been presented in a manner that neither supports or denounces the character's actions. Most of the objections are based on the fact that the movie seems to have been hijacked by the unthinking masses of state worshipping violence mongers to help them further their ideology. Seems like we should be able to have discussions about this man without people automatically jumping into "GO LIVE WITH ISIS, YOU GAWD **** UNPATRIOTIC AZZHOLES!" mode.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
I don't think it is the movie itself that liberals (and libertarians for that matter) object to. The material seems to have been presented in a manner that neither supports or denounces the character's actions. Most of the objections are based on the fact that the movie seems to have been hijacked by the unthinking masses of state worshipping violence mongers to help them further their ideology. Seems like we should be able to have discussions about this man without people automatically jumping into "GO LIVE WITH ISIS, YOU GAWD **** UNPATRIOTIC AZZHOLES!" mode.
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The same could be said for the unthinking masses that have duplicated the behavior of the protestors from the Vietnam era conflict towards this nations current armed services members.
 
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ETV said:
The same could be said for the unthinking masses that have duplicated the behavior of the protestors from the Vietnam era conflict towards this nations current armed services members.
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That's absurd. The 2 aren't even comparable
 
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VOLatile said:
It's not even something a respectable person would joke about. And what about the claims that he killed two carjackers in Texas and punched Jesse Ventura in the face? Those were fabricated, too. As well as him claiming 100+ more kills than the Pentagon confirmed. He was a liar and should not be viewed as any type of role model.
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The process of having a kill "confirmed" isn't always realistic in a theater of war. It's very possible he has more kills than those they were able to confirm.
 
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volfanbill said:
Then this entire message board needs to be shut down. There is LITERALLY nothing we can talk about by that theory.
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Not talking the board I'm talking bout all the liberal media and so forth.. It's not fair for his wife and family to try to defend his legacy while others trash it or what they think of it..
 
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Volz4lif3 said:
Not talking the board I'm talking bout all the liberal media and so forth.. It's not fair for his wife and family to try to defend his legacy while others trash it or what they think of it..
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so we should give up freedom of speech? Interesting. Wish we could ask Chris Kyle what he thinks of giving up freedom of speech.
 
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volfanbill said:
so we should give up freedom of speech? Interesting. Wish we could ask Chris Kyle what he thinks of giving up freedom of speech.
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No I didn't say that or mean that your making this out to be a pissing match I just think it's not fair for people to pile it on while he's not here.. That's all I'm saying that's my take, don't make it out like I'm saying that.. I believe in freedom of speech as any American should..
 
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xJesusx56 said:
The process of having a kill "confirmed" isn't always realistic in a theater of war. It's very possible he has more kills than those they were able to confirm.
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Absolutely not. If the Pentagon said 160 then he is a liar if he claims 161. How could you be so ignorant.?
 
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Volz4lif3 said:
No I didn't say that or mean that your making this out to be a pissing match I just think it's not fair for people to pile it on while he's not here.. That's all I'm saying that's my take, don't make it out like I'm saying that.. I believe in freedom of speech as any American should..
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He probably should've thought of that before he made a story up about Jesse Ventura. Or all his other tall tales. Just because he did a lot of good doesn't erase the bad things he either did, or at minimum, made up.
 
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jp1 said:
Absolutely not. If the Pentagon said 160 then he is a liar if he claims 161. How could you be so ignorant.?
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Way to twist the story in a way in which no one here or the other threads about this went to push your agenda.
 
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This thread went south...quickly.

Nothing like a story about our own country to divide us.
 
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volfanbill said:
He probably should've thought of that before he made a story up about Jesse Ventura. Or all his other tall tales. Just because he did a lot of good doesn't erase the bad things he either did, or at minimum, made up.
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This debate has gone way too far, but it appears that he saved many of his own troops. I would say he did alot of good. I also work in an industry where you see people with mental health issues, and the very nature of his job takes a toll on a human being. I haven't seen the movie, but I would have no doubt that anything "wild" he said or did was also a result of having a "wild" occupation to save lives. JMO.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
The story is about a sniper, not our country. The failure to distinguish between the two is what most of the dissenters are concerned with.
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Well, I am sorry to get involved. I haven't seen the movie, but I am pretty sure that he was a member of the United States Navy Seal Team. His very job had alot to do with our country.

But, I will get out and let y'all continue your discussion.
 
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I haven't seen the movie, but I would have no doubt that anything "wild" he said or did was also a result of having a "wild" occupation to save lives. JMO.
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That doesn't coincide with the symptoms of PTSD. He took his fame and cashed in on it. That's a topic not even being touched. He wanted to continue his 15 minutes of fame, so he began making up stories. It doesn't erase what he did, but it certainly tarnishes it.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Well, I am sorry to get involved. I haven't seen the movie, but I am pretty sure that he was a member of the United States Navy Seal Team. His very job had alot to do with our country.

But, I will get out and let y'all continue your discussion.
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But again, the movie is about him. Not anything else
 
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VOLatile said:
It's not even something a respectable person would joke about. And what about the claims that he killed two carjackers in Texas and punched Jesse Ventura in the face? Those were fabricated, too. As well as him claiming 100+ more kills than the Pentagon confirmed. He was a liar and should not be viewed as any type of role model.
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Volfanbill, did the quote above not call him a liar for claiming more than the Pentagon confirmed kills. Also I have no agenda.
 
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ok, my apologies for not seeing Volatile's note about the Pentagon not counting all that he and his associates give him credit for. That's up for debate. Kyle himself claims that each kill is listed in the AARs. Rumors swirl about what a confirmed kill is though. So that number could be anything north of 159. Not sure how the number even got out in the first place.

There is absolutely no evidence or witnesses that can support the Katrina story or the carjacking story and it has basically been proven without doubt that the Jesse Ventura story was fabricated. Ventura wasn't even there when said event happened. Therefore, calling him a pathological liar is still very much fair game.
 
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volfanbill said:
ok, my apologies for not seeing Volatile's note about the Pentagon not counting all that he and his associates give him credit for. That's up for debate. Kyle himself claims that each kill is listed in the AARs. Rumors swirl about what a confirmed kill is though. So that number could be anything north of 159. Not sure how the number even got out in the first place.

There is absolutely no evidence or witnesses that can support the Katrina story or the carjacking story and it has basically been proven without doubt that the Jesse Ventura story was fabricated. Ventura wasn't even there when said event happened. Therefore, calling him a pathological liar is still very much fair game.
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I don't know how to take the Katrina story because I dont know the context it was used in. It seems beyond far fetched for anyone to take it seriously to me. After reading the book, I cant find a reason why he would need to make things up but if he did I certainly dont think he should have done so.

Im fine with people disagreeing with the way he went about things, but for people calling him a coward, war criminal, or psychopath is unacceptable. If he were alive today I would proudly thank him for his commitment to our country. Just my take.
 
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jp1 said:
I don't know how to take the Katrina story because I dont know the context it was used in. It seems beyond far fetched for anyone to take it seriously to me. After reading the book, I cant find a reason why he would need to make things up but if he did I certainly dont think he should have done so.

Im fine with people disagreeing with the way he went about things, but for people calling him a coward, war criminal, or psychopath is unacceptable. If he were alive today I would proudly thank him for his commitment to our country. Just my take.
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Coward is unjust, but as the movie states, he has to answer for every time he pulled the trigger. Will be interesting to see if all of his kills were justified.

I will also say making up a joke about the Katrina is sick. Regardless of time and place. So in my mind it doesn't matter if he was trying to make it seem real or not.
 
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I personally don't care how many times he lied or what not. The fact is he saved AMERICAN lives by his actions. So what if he might have killed some innocent. He saved our troops.
get off his ass, he proved he is the best and has what it takes to be a SEAL.
 
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I love how posters can sit in safety and anonymously down an individual that the military even deemed a hero with Silver Stars, Bronze Stars, numerous commendations, etc. Judging somebody they have never met, much less coming even close to walking in his shoes. Let those that are without sin cast the first stone.
 
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