American war dead are "Losers and Suckers," per Trump

[clarksvol00]

The context matters.
Biden said that the marine corps was “a bunch of stupid bastards” or something similar don’t remember the exact quote and don’t care because the context was a poorly executed joke.
Trump says plenty of things to be considered. This wasn’t one of them.

Edit: and I actually don’t believe he said it at all.
The AP says this about it.

“Four reputable news outlets, all citing anonymous sources, report President Donald Trump disparaged US troops, veterans, and missing service members, with several outlets reporting he has called military members “losers.” Yet the president, along with current and former staff on the record, continues to dispute those stories.”

Check out the link. I think Kelly was very aware of the context and did not approve.

 

[davethevol]

Wasnt Kelly long gone by the time Hunter Bidens laptop became a thing. I've got a feeling you don't trust Kelly simply because he said something negative about Donny.

He may have been. My point was that lots of people have lied about Trump, or in that case lied about the validity of Hunter’s laptop to influence an election. I don’t know anyone can trust these people. And I’ll reiterate, I think Trump is a sleazy guy and most likely a huge jerk, but at the end of the day he’s a giant middle finger to DC which is why people support him.

 

[clarksvol00]

He may have been. My point was that lots of people have lied about Trump, or in that case lied about the validity of Hunter’s laptop to influence an election. I don’t know anyone can trust these people. And I’ll reiterate, I think Trump is a sleazy guy and most likely a huge jerk, but at the end of the day he’s a giant middle finger to DC which is why people support him.

Oh... well, i guess that means John Kelly is a liar.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

MUH anonymous sources Lol

Dems seem to love stepping on that rake

Kelly owned it

 

[Orangeslice13]

John Kelly. I posted a link.

Ya,
Kelly stayed silent, that isn’t a confirmation. I just looked and as of now Kelly is still a “no comment “

 

[Orangeslice13]

Check out the link. I think Kelly was very aware of the context and did not approve.

I’ve just read several including the most recent “no comment”
You can interpret that however you want but he’s silent on this issue. That’s not confirmation.

Edit: there’s plenty to hate trump for. I’m no fan, but this kinda thing just empowers his followers to ignore the things that there’s actually proof of.

 

[Orangeslice13]

This is like talking to the anti covid vaccine guys. Ignore proof in favor of happenstance

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I’ve just read several including the most recent “no comment”
You can interpret that however you want but he’s silent on this issue. That’s not confirmation.

Edit: there’s plenty to hate trump for. I’m no fan, but this kinda thing just empowers his followers to ignore the things that there’s actually proof of.

“What can I add that has not already been said?” Kelly said, when asked if he wanted to weigh in on his former boss in light of recent comments made by other former Trump officials. “A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.

“A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.

“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”

muh, no comment

 

[Orangeslice13]

“What can I add that has not already been said?” Kelly said, when asked if he wanted to weigh in on his former boss in light of recent comments made by other former Trump officials. “A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.

“A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.

“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”

muh, no comment

So he addressed everything except the quote in question

Doesn’t like his character or him as a person.
Why not just say “yes he said it”
Maybe because he didn’t hear him say the words y’all are trying to say he heard.

Are you sure you’re a lawyer?

I can find 100 things just as bad if not worse that Trump has said…..on camera….. there’s no need to make things up.

 

[hog88]

“What can I add that has not already been said?” Kelly said, when asked if he wanted to weigh in on his former boss in light of recent comments made by other former Trump officials. “A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.

“A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.

“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”

muh, no comment

Trump may very well of said everything in question but nowhere in that comment did Kelly say he heard Trump say anything.

To slices point when CNN/MSM blows this stuff up and announces Kelly or X confirms something then when you read it or listen to it they don't confirm anything it gives the Trump supporters ammunition to ignore.

 

[clarksvol00]

Trump may very well of said everything in question but nowhere in that comment did Kelly say he heard Trump say anything.

To slices point when CNN/MSM blows this stuff up and announces Kelly or X confirms something then when you read it or listen to it they don't confirm anything it gives the Trump supporters ammunition to ignore.

Even Franklin's favorite, the daily mail, is calling it confirmation.

 

[hog88]

Even Franklin's favorite, the daily mail, is calling it confirmation.

It probably is but my point stands.

Since we know Trump is a liar and the high probability that Kelly is also a liar I'm taking the safe route and not voting for Trump again.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Speaking of necros... this is "comedy gold" (if I remember correctly, a term you used in this thread)...

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html

So I read the article and honestly I think it’s a piece of literary dung. Admittedly I read it quickly. I believe there was one exchange detailed where Kelly did positively confirm one of the reportings. I’ll take that at face value with a qualifier to be detailed later. Then the article seems to take liberties and claim that singular confirmation as proof of all the other claims. Nope that isn’t how it works. Kelly himself answered simply “never happened” on one of the claims at the time. Now that qualifier. If the instance Kelly claimed “never happened” at the time is the one he’s confirming here then that impacts his personal credibility. This isn’t a dichotomy Trump is a garbage human being and makes claims of deep caring for people that make me laugh but at the same time that article is piss poor on content to me.

ETA: so I went back and checked the author. Jake Tapper. LMAO yeah I’m sticking with piss poor written article

 

[Orangeslice13]

Trump may very well of said everything in question but nowhere in that comment did Kelly say he heard Trump say anything.

To slices point when CNN/MSM blows this stuff up and announces Kelly or X confirms something then when you read it or listen to it they don't confirm anything it gives the Trump supporters ammunition to ignore.

If you play fast and loose with the truth then you have no grounds for calling someone a liar.
It’s silly here because there’s just so many other examples that are on tape that this one is unnecessary

Pretty simple concept.