Amnesty Bill SHOT DOWN!!!

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CSpindizzy said:
Moving on....so where do we go from here? More illegals means more tax burden. Are you ready to fork over more tax money for those still coming in?
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After watching the democratic forum on NPT last night, more tax money wil be forked over regardless.
 
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Well considering the GOP opponents of this bill are already calling for a supplemental bill on more funding, I'd say the conservatives are already drooling over pouring more money into 'fixing' something they say the government can't fix. Sounds irresponsible to me.
 
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I'm still curious as to who wants to pay for all this deportation that some want to happen. Anybody want to fill me in on that?
 
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Teddyhead said:
Yeah, I mean carrying it concealed is a better deal but out in California it is almost impossible to get a CCW or California Concealed Weapons permit. I just like the fact that in Virginia you can carry it so long as it is visible. In that case you don't have to get a permit or anything which is interesting.
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wait a minute..if this is the case, then why was everyone throwing around the fact that if people were allowed to carry guns on their person, events like the Virginia Tech tragedy would not happen - apparently you are allowed to carry guns in Virginia. Obviously, a state school wouldn't let you carry a gun around - but still, do people in Virginia carry them on their person but visible elsewhere - I doubt it.....well...I've never seen it there. Maybe someone else has?
 
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emainvol said:
I'm still curious as to who wants to pay for all this deportation that some want to happen. Anybody want to fill me in on that?
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Shhhh....don't tell everyone but deporting them all and enforcing the current laws is not supposed to cost anything extra. The magic wand is supposed to cover that!
 
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I just like how people say to deport them all but don't realize what it will take to round up 12-20 million people. Here's a little comparison. The only way the Nazis could round up Jews is issuing strict ID's and then questioning everyone in the streets. My guess is that it would take a similar method of ID and neighbors turning neighbors in to accomplish this mass rounding up and deportation.
 
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allvol123 said:
Have people stated that securing the borders should not cost more?
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Have they even said ANYTHING in detail? Nope. Listen to the radio and read blogs. Somehow people amazingly don't add into the discussion that we'll be paying millions more to only do one thing that already has failed. Do you mind paying millions more to do something that already has failed?
 
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I really think "mass deportation" is more of a battle cry than a feasible plan.
 
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I don't think any reasonable person would want to pay more into something that has "failed". I would say most people that are for border security believe it has never actually been attempted with any amount of real effort. That is completely different than "failed".
 
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GAVol said:
I really think "mass deportation" is more of a battle cry than a feasible plan.
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I don't know anyone that is really concerned with this. Stopping the flow and having control of your borders is most certainly the more important deal.
 
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allvol123 said:
I don't think any reasonable person would want to pay more into something that has "failed". I would say most people that are for border security believe it has never actually been attempted with any amount of real effort. That is completely different than "failed".
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Never been attempted? I guess they haven't seen the parts of the fence that have been going up (that are being overrun by the way) or the effort to hire 6,000 more Border Patrol agents? Or using unmanned aerial recon vehicles? The effort is there but it takes billions more in money and thousands more in manpower to do something. What is amazing is that this crowd that shot down this bill had control of Congress when this 700 mile fence portion and 6,000 additional agent portion was passed. Had this truly been a concern they could have passed more than 700 miles in a 2,100 mile border. The BP itself says it will take two full years at least to have the 6,000 additional agents hired, trained and out in the field. Many will not actually be on the border but in admin roles. So are you willing to wait at least two years of continued immigration and costs for this "enforce what's already on the books" to take place?
 
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How much fence has gone up? I don't think I have ever seen the president give off much of an impression that he cares if people are scurrying across the border. Had securing the border been a real concern they could pass legislation that deals solely with that in terms of financing it.
 
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Check with the Border Patrol. Considering how the bill was passed last fall, money trickling down, contracts and bids issued, etc. don't expect this to occur overnight. But some has gone up. As I've said quite a few times, obviously with no effect, tunnels are already being dug under parts with fencing. In Laredo, TX there is a section that has a gate right off the river where the gate has no lock anymore and swings wide open. I'm sure after bad press that this is fixed but again, understaffed agencies cannot somehow pull off a miracle overnight. but since that is the only thing we're relying on, I guess we can only hope this will solve itself. It's a shame when this bill actually provided for additional personnel and fencing. Shocker that this part is ignored as well. I guess we'll be content with the 700 miles passed late last year.
 
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I'm glad it was turned down. Still, I don't think we'll be able to stop all the influx. I read an article today in the Washington Post that some people moved out of their neighborhood in Gainesville, VA because there were so many Latinos in their area. If you were in northern VA you'd see all the immigrants in this area. We feel like the minority when we go to the mall. One part of Loudoun County is about 60% Latino and even one school is 75% Latino.
I, for one, think, that if they are here illegally here, then send them back along with their kids too. That way you don't split families. Some of you may not feel that way, but I do. Wait and see what it's like in the next decade. Latinos already out number the African Americans in the USA.
 
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I lived in Alexandria for a year so I know the largely ethnic area there. When you have about half of the illegals coming into the country through legal visas and letting them expire, you have to do something to address that as well. A fence and border enforcement does nothing to stop this from recurring. What's to stop the Mexican government from using the same means to get into the US and letting their documentation to expire?
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Check with the Border Patrol. Considering how the bill was passed last fall, money trickling down, contracts and bids issued, etc. don't expect this to occur overnight. But some has gone up. As I've said quite a few times, obviously with no effect, tunnels are already being dug under parts with fencing. In Laredo, TX there is a section that has a gate right off the river where the gate has no lock anymore and swings wide open. I'm sure after bad press that this is fixed but again, understaffed agencies cannot somehow pull off a miracle overnight. but since that is the only thing we're relying on, I guess we can only hope this will solve itself. It's a shame when this bill actually provided for additional personnel and fencing. Shocker that this part is ignored as well. I guess we'll be content with the 700 miles passed late last year.
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Was the funding for the 700 miles passed last year as well?
 
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Teddyhead said:
What stops them? Simple, why bother to go home and spend all that money trying to become legal when it is so easy to be illegal and there are absolutly zero reprecusions. It is much easier to break the law than to follow it.:thumbsup:
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I agree. Its much easier to stay here and not pay taxes, get your u.s. born kid a free education, and go to the emergency room for free health care.
 
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TennTradition said:
Because under our current visa standards, they would never be allowed into the country legally. It is very hard for people from Mexico to enter the US legally (for more than just a trip) - or so I hear. I believe that the ammendment made special provisions to accept the visas - and then track the individuals through the visa more carefully.
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How do you know they will never be allowed legally? The U.S. allows more legal immigration in the U.S. then the rest of the world combined.

Maybe the reason they don't is because they don't want to stand in line and wait their turn? Or worse because they have a criminal history or no money to pay a visa fee. Do you suggest we dont make them pay a fee to process their paperwork?
 
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oklavol said:
I agree. Its much easier to stay here and not pay taxes, get your u.s. born kid a free education, and go to the emergency room for free health care.
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I thought we covered the tax paying part about a hundred times already.
 
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