Anarchy In Portland

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n_huffhines said:
By who?

Cops should prevent and investigate criminal activity. They should not be anti-criminal. You know we are all criminals, right? We all break the law. Especially cops.
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n_huffhines said:
Being anti crime and anti criminal are two different things. Why do you guys want cops to be opposed to people/groups? Their job is to protect and serve people. Being opposed to people/groups does not help them accomplish this task. It seems to hurt their ability to accomplish this task.

[Cop arrests drug user]

You guys: he's anti drug users

Me: or he's just doing his job

You guys: bong hits for breakfast?
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You are making this way too complicated.

The "group" being discussed here is not a racial ethnic group or a subset of the population grouped under a common action. It is a domestic terrorist organization.

Should the police be anti ISIS? Should the police be anti-gang? Anti-mafia?

Obviously yes to all.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
You are making this way too complicated.

The "group" being discussed here is not a racial ethnic group or a subset of the population grouped under a common action. It is a domestic terrorist organization.

Should the police be anti ISIS? Should the police be anti-gang? Anti-mafia?

Obviously yes to all.
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They're not actually designated as a terrorist organization, and even if they were, they're a world apart from ISIS. I'm not worried about cops being anti-ISIS, so we can move on from that. I am worried about cops picking sides among protesters. I hope you can see the cavern of difference between the two.
 
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n_huffhines said:
They're not actually designated as a terrorist organization, and even if they were, they're a world apart from ISIS. I'm not worried about cops being anti-ISIS, so we can move on from that. I am worried about cops picking sides among protesters. I hope you can see the cavern of difference between the two.
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Not so much. They are both definitionaly terrorist organizations, and I think the seperation between them has more to do with opportunity than ideology.

To me, splitting hairs is taking two violent groups of extremists and saying the one with more political control is worse just because they have had more opportunity to exercise their vision as an organization.
 
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n_huffhines said:
By who?

Cops should prevent and investigate criminal activity. They should not be anti-criminal. You know we are all criminals, right? We all break the law. Especially cops.
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The Attorneys General I believe.

But on your point of us all being criminals or in general law breakers I concede. However I do hope we are in general better than what we’ve seen from Antifa. Assuming they are in fact the primary cause of riots and not BLM, gangs, or their political opponents.

I guess that’s the rub though. Whose facts do we trust? I can’t say for certain I believe either side to be completely transparent. The government, media, criminals, and political adherents all have been know to lie.
 
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Elhanan said:
The Attorneys General I believe.

But on your point of us all being criminals or in general law breakers I concede. However I do hope we are in general better than what we’ve seen from Antifa. Assuming they are in fact the primary cause of riots and not BLM, gangs, or their political opponents.

I guess that’s the rub though. Whose facts do we trust? I can’t say for certain I believe either side to be completely transparent. The government, media, criminals, and political adherents all have been know to lie.
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Why do you assume that? Somebody who knows, please chime in. Has Antifa been caught organizing violence or looting? Or are they just organizing protests and the protests go haywire? There is a big difference between Antifa people doing crimes and Antifa leadership planning the crimes.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why do you assume that? Somebody who knows, please chime in. Has Antifa been caught organizing violence or looting? Or are they just organizing protests and the protests go haywire? There is a big difference between Antifa people doing crimes and Antifa leadership planning the crimes.
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Just to stay on topic for the thread. I’d like to know this too. But we know one side will point to Fox facts the other to CNN’s but things are so partisan it’s hard to really trust either fully.

Happens every election cycle it seems. Whoever holds the power in government supports the law. Whoever doesn’t calls for the will of the people.

I honestly do wonder if the US needs a divorce from itself.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't even know if it's a class war, I bet a bunch of these "protesters" come from well to do families.
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That's really what I'm thinking, too. Most leftist "protests" look a lot like scenes from a grocery store - where the toddler wants something and throws a massive tantrum when told "no". That used to get handled, but in today's "kinder", "gentler", PC society, parental control is pretty much off the table - the longer it's tolerated, the more widespread it will become. That's always been my take on liberals - toddler brats and bullies who just got bigger and never grew up. The liberal motto is basically "Give us what we want or we'll break stuff and make life generally untenable for the rest of you." "Untenable" because they are more educated than the rest of us according to our resident libs. Classless, cowardly, bullies for the most part just looking for a place to be the unrestrained brats that they always were - no real message other than a desire to be uncivil, undisciplined, and a desire to tear down what others created.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The divide in the country is a contributing factor and Trump is the divider in chief. Nobody said he is responsible for anybody's actions other than his own. He needs to take accountability for his behavior and nobody else's. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk
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Sorry, but it took Obama's divisiveness to set the stage for Trump. Without Obama and his merry gang of libs, the GOP would have continued to founder. Obama gave the GOP the will to fight rather than continue with Romney-like pansies like they had been running. Biden is an instigator - he doesn't seek to heal or unite. There is basically no adult and certainly no healer in the room when it comes to the political arena - and that includes the gangs reporting on politics as well. The problem is that the divide across the country isn't geographical this time; and when it boils over, it will be exceedingly nasty. Federalism is an attempt to hammer 300+ million irregularly shaped pegs into designated holes, and it's bound for failure.
 
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n_huffhines said:
They're not actually designated as a terrorist organization, and even if they were, they're a world apart from ISIS. I'm not worried about cops being anti-ISIS, so we can move on from that. I am worried about cops picking sides among protesters. I hope you can see the cavern of difference between the two.
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Keep telling yourself they are not a terrorist orgnization.

This just in, law enforcement tracks all kinds of things involving gangs, whether they are Antifa, or the KKK, or the Outlaws, or the Vice Lords. They are all monitored because they are dumb enough to commit crimes and post about it, talk about it, etc.

Police aren't "picking sides", they are looking for the criminals that actually are committing the crimes, which in Portland's case is most Antifa
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why do you assume that? Somebody who knows, please chime in. Has Antifa been caught organizing violence or looting? Or are they just organizing protests and the protests go haywire? There is a big difference between Antifa people doing crimes and Antifa leadership planning the crimes.
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I've seen video of them infiltrated and they were organizing and planning violence. It was a year or two ago.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
It’s not a race war. it’s a class war.
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“class war”? I haven’t seen any shirts saying Poor Lives Matter. Have you? I really hate to see it coming because it’s gonna be bad for everybody. As long as the black people continue to try to shove this BLM crap down everybody’s throats, the divide between races is just gonna get bigger.
 
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dovervolz said:
“class war”? I haven’t seen any shirts saying Poor Lives Matter. Have you? I really hate to see it coming because it’s gonna be bad for everybody. As long as the black people continue to try to shove this BLM crap down everybody’s throats, the divide between races is just gonna get bigger.
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Except it’s mostly White people pushing the agenda.
Look at the riots. A lot of spoiled White people burning ****.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Except it’s mostly White people pushing the agenda.
Look at the riots. A lot of spoiled White people burning ****.
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it’s both races. Spoiled black thugs too. As long as blacks keep pushing their racist attitudes towards everything white it’ll never get better. You just keep being a the racist that you are because it’ll never get better for you
 
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evillawyer said:
Man Linked to Killing at a Portland Protest Says He Acted in Self-Defense

I will say this, the voice we hear on the tape is definitely not mousey like this guy's voice. The voice is clearly Chandler Pappas, which means they were the aggressors. Doesn't mean this was self-defense, but it wasn't a hit either.
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This is un ****ing believable. Does anyone think Vice would have interviewed Rittenhouse and not turned him in? Also, there’s actual video of both encounters. One person has a very reasonable case of defending themself while the other just walked up to someone and shot them dead and just walked away
 
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