Andraya Carter’s playing future with Lady Vols in doubt because of knee pain

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mlindsay said:
My point exactly it seems to me "practice" seems to be more important than the game (although Draya rarely practiced yet her minutes wasn't effected) but players like MeMe, Nia, Kortney, and Middleton had to have great practices in order for them to see the court.
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In the newspaper article today, it says Meme is helping with a PG camp... If this is fact, then she isn't working on her individual scoring moves, shot or "game"... Doing camps and clinics, re-enforces some teaching skill,but it is not nearly as effective as being personally coached.

Withallthat is now expected of her...Bad decision!.

Look closer at the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy_Tww6o4jo

DD is noticeably complacent, embarrassed and withdrawn. She is in full shut-down mode.... Read her face, it says,"That ain't it at all!"... Then listen to her words... "I had two early turnovers and it just sealed the deal for me for the first half...My coaches just didn't give me a chance to go out there and do what I do..."....She should have been subbed for, verbally reprimanded and sent right back in with the warning..."If you dribble into the paint again and throw the ball away just because you didn't have a plan,,, and then you looked over here like you got away with it.... If I see that again, you will ride the pine."

I can't count the number of time DD came back to the bench after doing something like those two early turnovers and then walked over to the bench, and scanned the whole bench as she walked...

Do you know what she was looking for?.... Pat's stare-down,,, Geno's "I'm not impressed at what you just did" look .. or even, Coach Jumper's "straighten up or I will just create another one of you if you can't play to your capabilities"pep-talks.

It ain't DD... DD is what she is. There is simply no one in this staff that has yet to show they can mentally coach this type of athlete.
 
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Trixietrouble said:
Again, Holly has significant issues and I don't see her as the coach that leads us back to NC glory...BUT, DD also has very significant issues, especially on the attitude/body language/decision making side. If DD is actually is criticizing Coach in public, this is a reflection of DD's flaws as well.
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DD is an Alpha female... She will not flourish under a Beta lead, without an Alpha in the staff. She WILL question everything until she is put on the right track. That's what Alpha's do. It is not a flaw, it is a character trait that should have been understood before she ever left NC.
 
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mlindsay said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy_Tww6o4jo

Says it all! Two early turnovers and she sat the entire first half and yet players like Draya and Jordan (who shot the ball 3 times and only produced 1 point) seems to see the floor regardless of the turnovers/mistakes they make
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a questionable attitude for a good part of the season. She was moping around on the court, running half-speed sometimes, no positivity to her game: i suspect that is why she got benched, in addition to the turnovers. It's one thing to make mistakes; it's another to make mistakes and be a moody prima donna, which is what I was seeing in DD for most of the year. When the NCAA tourney rolled around, her attitude seemed more upbeat and she played well, very well at times--and the team of course played a lot better too. Had she played like that all year, we'd have had a much higher seed. I'm not a fan of HW, but I'm not blaming her for DD's poor play most of last year. I hope the group can put last year behind them and go out and play this year.

I'm excited about Jackson, frankly: She's seems to have no offensive game--but neither do our other guards, really--and yet with her size and athleticism I think she can help this team significantly. I say that boldly, since I've not seen her play very much at all!
 
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Trixietrouble said:
DD also has very significant issues, especially on the attitude/body language/decision making side. If DD is actually is criticizing Coach in public, this is a reflection of DD's flaws as well.
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DD's father has taught his daughter, by example, that criticizing Coach in public is acceptable behavior. Why would anyone expect her to act any differently?
 
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Hoya Saxa said:
DD's father has taught his daughter, by example, that criticizing Coach in public is acceptable behavior. Why would anyone expect her to act any differently?
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DD was on a NC team for 3 straight years heading into college ball. . . As a Father, I too, would be questioning why. . . . .Just not on TWITTER!!!!!!!!
 
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Coach, I would gently point out the negative effects suffered from questioning on Volnation blog.
 
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alexvol said:
The injury excuse has now been played over and over for 8 years now......it is indeed tiresome to read and hear about it over and over and over again !!!
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It's not an excuse, it's fact! Holly hasn't had a healthy team in the EE in years!!!
 
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bobkitten said:
Coach, I would gently point out the negative effects suffered from questioning on Volnation blog.
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Speaking of which...anyone heard from ivy! Convoluted? Ruggy? (kept changing). Did they just disappear or get the boot? The boot seems unlikely with some of the trolls that are still around. I can see Convoluted and especially Ruggy slinking away, but it does not seem to be ivy's modus operandi. I know gule especially misses her:cray:. She did add spice to the board.
 
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Lol, yes I miss ole Ivyleague. She(?) was a treasure trove of fun . dumber than dirt and all mixed up in the head but still fun.


:)
 
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Coach Jumper said:
DD was on a NC team for 3 straight years heading into college ball. . . As a Father, I too, would be questioning why. . . . .Just not on TWITTER!!!!!!!!
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Quick question.... NC, are you using that to represent NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP? If it is what NC team did she play on?
 
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HoopDR said:
Quick question.... NC, are you using that to represent NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP? If it is what NC team did she play on?
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USA/AAU BASKETBALL

Five-time gold medalist with USA Basketball.

Led Team USA to the gold medal at the 2012 FIBA Under-17 World Championships and was named tournament MVP.

Also won gold at the 2012 USA 3x3 U18 World Championships, as the youngest member of the 2011 U19 World Championship Team and with the 2010 U18 Championship Team.
Played in the summer for the Georgia Pistols (2007 AAU national champions), Georgia Elite (2008 AAU national runners-up) and Georgia Ice (2009 AAU national champions).
 
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Coach Jumper said:
USA/AAU BASKETBALL

Five-time gold medalist with USA Basketball.

Led Team USA to the gold medal at the 2012 FIBA Under-17 World Championships and was named tournament MVP.

Also won gold at the 2012 USA 3x3 U18 World Championships, as the youngest member of the 2011 U19 World Championship Team and with the 2010 U18 Championship Team.
Played in the summer for the Georgia Pistols (2007 AAU national champions), Georgia Elite (2008 AAU national runners-up) and Georgia Ice (2009 AAU national champions).
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Why did she switch AAU teams so much?
 
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volbeast33 said:
Draya is a very big leader on the Lady Vols.... The other three you mentioned don't have to have perfect practices but they do have to show that they bring more positives than negatives to the team and none of the three do that right now.
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Lack of leadership was a problem all season long. There was very little on-court leadership.

Andraya played hard, and it's unfortunate that she's been having problems with her knees, but I think there has been some exaggeration as to what she contributed on the court. Hustle points, yes. But she had her share of shortcomings (maybe/maybe not caused by the knee) that should have warranted giving Middleton or Jackson some of her minutes.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
...Look closer at the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy_Tww6o4jo

DD is noticeably complacent, embarrassed and withdrawn. She is in full shut-down mode.... Read her face, it says,"That ain't it at all!"... Then listen to her words... "I had two early turnovers and it just sealed the deal for me for the first half...My coaches just didn't give me a chance to go out there and do what I do..."....She should have been subbed for, verbally reprimanded and sent right back in with the warning..."If you dribble into the paint again and throw the ball away just because you didn't have a plan,,, and then you looked over here like you got away with it.... If I see that again, you will ride the pine."

I can't count the number of time DD came back to the bench after doing something like those two early turnovers and then walked over to the bench, and scanned the whole bench as she walked...

Do you know what she was looking for?.... Pat's stare-down,,, Geno's "I'm not impressed at what you just did" look .. or even, Coach Jumper's "straighten up or I will just create another one of you if you can't play to your capabilities"pep-talks.

It ain't DD... DD is what she is. There is simply no one in this staff that has yet to show they can mentally coach this type of athlete.
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Are you serious??? You think it ain't DD? It's all 100% her. If I at her age had behaved the way you describe, both my parents would have been horrified and would have taken me home and in the strongest of terms explained to me that that behavior was unacceptable and any further such behavior would be met with the strongest of corrective-measures.

I can understand a coach has to be a surrogate parent and may not perform well in that role especially if the real parents have failed. But you think it ain't DD? At some point in every person's life it stops being the parent or the coach or someone else and becomes that person's responsibility to grow up and act like an adult. Saying it ain't her only reinforces any bad behavior and gives her a get-out-of-jail-free card.
 
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LVJeff said:
Are you serious??? You think it ain't DD? It's all 100% her. If I at her age had behaved the way you describe, both my parents would have been horrified and would have taken me home and in the strongest of terms explained to me that that behavior was unacceptable and any further such behavior would be met with the strongest of corrective-measures.

I can understand a coach has to be a surrogate parent and may not perform well in that role especially if the real parents have failed. But you think it ain't DD? At some point in every person's life it stops being the parent or the coach or someone else and becomes that person's responsibility to grow up and act like an adult. Saying it ain't her only reinforces any bad behavior and gives her a get-out-of-jail-free card.
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“I didn’t take coaching all that well. One game we lost to a team and coach said it was because we didn’t execute the game plan… I actually said, “no we lost because you don’t know what your doing”… My dad drove me to the coaches house and I had to go up and apologize” PEYTON MANNING
 
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LVJeff said:
Are you serious??? You think it ain't DD? It's all 100% her. If I at her age had behaved the way you describe, both my parents would have been horrified and would have taken me home and in the strongest of terms explained to me that that behavior was unacceptable and any further such behavior would be met with the strongest of corrective-measures.

I can understand a coach has to be a surrogate parent and may not perform well in that role especially if the real parents have failed. But you think it ain't DD? At some point in every person's life it stops being the parent or the coach or someone else and becomes that person's responsibility to grow up and act like an adult. Saying it ain't her only reinforces any bad behavior and gives her a get-out-of-jail-free card.
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I say that to say, DD has won on every level but college. True, she was a "jumper" in AAU ... jumping from team to team to get to the natty's, but in the end, she performed and reached the title. And she was MVP on one of her teams and arguably the mvp on all 3 of them... So, what's different in college ball that she is struggling to get that elusive title... An in your face coach!

I have NO DOUBT whatsoever that if DD was coached, instead of idolized, she would perform much better. You can't let an athlete of that caliber get the better of you as a coach. Sometimes you have to show your charge that you are stronger than they are... I have had that situation before. I once told one of my 3-year players, "I built you, and I can build a better you... I know your strengths and I know your weaknesses. I know how to shut you down!"

All it took was this talk and a little extra attention to another player with her physical stature and prowess and she turned it around.

But to do this two things have to be.

1) You better be able to back up your coach-talk and sit your star and then start creating a new one in front of her
2) You better have a stronger belief in yourself than you have in the player.

I wish I could have taken this summer with Meme just so I could have proven this ...Only then would people understand what can be done with innate talent and innate drive, coupled with coaching experience and know-how. Given a summer with Meme, DD would've been watching HER rear-view mirror.

Summer is still here Holly.
And I am still ready to take MeMe and make a baller out of her.
 
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Hoya Saxa said:
Isn't this thread supposed to be about Andraya Carter?
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It still is... The subject matter is now in the direction of "Who will take the mantle and lead the LV's, given Draya's status".

I have respect for Draya. I watched her play at BHS long before anyone here did. But now, it is about who will take those minutes and more so, who can excel with them.
 
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