announcement on dooley

#201
#201
LWSVOL said:
not in my opinion.. just doesn't have the recruiting resume needed in knoxville. But, he might be successful here, just hard to know...

he would certainly need a strong recruiting staff
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No argument there and other than Bumpas, Shannon and maybe Dan Sharp, he would need to build a staff of SEC coaches. I could see in that situation where Graham and Pittman would possibly be retained.
 
#203
#203
Jackson_Harris said:
Interesting. You seem to discount Gruden because he is a NFL guy. Yet, your replacemnet is Jeff, who is also a NFL guy. I remain a huge fan of Jeff Fisher. However, I do think his style would play well in Knoxville at all. He may hate St Louis, but I cant picture him leaving after one year. He's not that type of man.
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Not so!. Please carefully read the post again. I didn't endorse Fisher, and I referred to his slim possibilities as our next coach to being exactly the same as why I feel Gruden will shy away. I just know Fisher loves Tennessee, the state. As for Gruden, I have no idea about his feelings for Tennessee and living here. Both, though, will need to square up with the realities of what it takes to recruit quality physical specimens to play college football for the schools' programs should either choose an SEC position. (Note the absence of "quality mental specimens.") Teaching at the university level for 30 plus years, along with viewing how some of the very best see it all go down the drain with law enforcement matters, has influenced my views on this. Granted, though, some of the youngsters have both qualities; however, a great many let the IQ wane in favor of working harder on development of having that look and supposed skill set we see in ancient Greek statues. What's more, the really great ones make it so obvious they are merely biding their time to finish their junior seasons just to put their names in the NFL draft.

I find this all so distressing. I just know collge football coaching has to be one of the most demanding professions out there. The need to recruit supermen guys finishing high school, I feel, is the number one source of what makes college coaching as demanding, draining, and desparation laden as it is. Were I a highly sought after coach in the pros as well as college, no amount of $$$$ from the colleges would ever get close to make me sniff around a bit at the situation. I would just use that to leverage for a higher salary at the pro level. (Isn't that how it is done?)

In the end, whoever we hire as our next football coach had better be among the best in the nation as a recruiter; otherwise, the thoughts of being at the crossroads of UT Football will fade fast in the conversation. Instead, we will be evaluating and woeing over how such a storied program got into the circumstances of zero relevance following a 1998 National Championship. It pains me to think this, but I know it is true. Let's all hang together as the Vol Nation and hope a degree of luck finally comes our way. God knows we are so deserving.
 
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#204
#204
samanderson said:
Not so!. Please carefully read the post again. I didn't endorse Fisher, and I referred to his slim possibilities as our next coach to being exactly the same as why I feel Gruden will shy away. I just know Fisher loves Tennessee, the state. As for Gruden, I have no idea about his feelings for Tennessee and living here. Both, though, will need to square up with the realities of what it takes to recruit quality physical specimens to play college football for the schools' programs should either choose an SEC position. (Note the absence of "quality mental specimens.") Teaching at the university level for 30 plus years, along with viewing how some of the very best see it all go down the drain with law enforcement matters, has influenced my views on this. Granted, though, some of the youngsters have both qualities; however, a great many let the IQ wane in favor of working harder on development of having that look and supposed skill set we see in ancient Greek statues. What's more, the really great ones make it so obvious they are merely biding their time to finish their junior seasons just to put their names in the NFL draft.

I find this all so distressing. I just know collge football coaching has to be one of the most demanding professions out there. The need to recruit supermen guys finishing high school, I feel, is the number one source of what makes college coaching as demanding, draining, and desparation laden as it is. Were I a highly sought after coach in the pros as well as college, no amount of $$$$ from the colleges would ever get close to make me sniff around a bit at the situation. I would just use that to leverage for a higher salary at the pro level. (Isn't that how it is done?)

In the end, whoever we hire as our next football coach had better be among the best in the nation as a recruiter; otherwise, the thoughts of being at the crossroads of UT Football will fade fast in the conversation. Instead, we will be evaluating and woeing over how such a storied program got into the circumstances of zero relevance following a 1998 National Championship. It pains me to think this, but I know it is true. Let's all hang together as the Vol Nation and hope a degree of kuck finally comes our way. God knows we are so deserving.
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Well stated!
 
#205
#205
LWSVOL said:
that may be wrong. may have been a month ago.

I can't recall.

I came off Smart when I heard the AD was encouraged IF he had to look to look at head coaching experience, BCS level preferred

Now, Smart is still on Hart's list and if we end up getting a lt of rejections, he could always try to sell that
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I don't know but that sounds a lot like Tuberville.
 
#206
#206
Jackson_Harris said:
Thanks Larry. What do you think of Jimbo? I know Auburn is hot for him.
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after Gruden, I think he or Strong are the best choices for us. nto sure we can get either, but the fact they have coaches and recruited in the SEC is huge for me. they know to go about doing it.
 
#207
#207
I could see Strong or Petrino coming if we don't get Gruden, but not Jimbo
He has a top 10 BCS program running right now at FSU

LWS any interest in Mangini
 
#209
#209
LWSVOL said:
oh no, came off smart a couple months back.. someone suggested we needed experienced head coach, prefer BCS back gorund..
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LWS... What is your personal take on Butch Jones and do you think he is a legitimate candidate for the Tennessee HC vacancy?
 
#215
#215
Larry, as of today, how bout giving us your best guess on the odds of us landing any of our top choices:
Gruden
Patterson
Fedora
Strong
Others?
 
#216
#216
vol81 said:
Larry, as of today, how bout giving us your best guess on the odds of us landing any of our top choices:
Gruden
Patterson
Fedora
Strong
Others?
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Add Petrino chance too...

I think I'd take him after Gruden and before the others
 
#218
#218
Larry,

Do you worry that Harts pace for this hire will allow the other 9 schools looking for a HC to beat us to the punch?
 
#219
#219
vol81 said:
Larry, as of today, how bout giving us your best guess on the odds of us landing any of our top choices:
Gruden
Patterson
Fedora
Strong
Others?
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Gruden - Very small (think he and Hart met last night)
Patterson - small, I don't think he is looking to leave
Fedora - would be down list after 4-5 others IMO
Strong - Not sure how high we would go in bidding
Others - I think Fisher and Golden with Stong are top choices. If all reject or we don't offer, Not sure what pecking order would be
 
#222
#222
What do you think the odds we give Butch Davis a look if the NCAA clears him of any wrong doing this week. Eric Angie is saying they are going to clear him.
 
#223
#223
LWSVOL said:
Gruden - Very small (think he and Hart met last night)
Patterson - small, I don't think he is looking to leave
Fedora - would be down list after 4-5 others IMO
Strong - Not sure how high we would go in bidding
Others - I think Fisher and Golden with Stong are top choices. If all reject or we don't offer, Not sure what pecking order would be
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Larry, do you still believe they met last night? I saw that Hyams reported that Gruden cancelled the meeting but I always take what he says with a grain of salt...
 
#224
#224
One thing thats very clear and that is that Dave Hart runs things a whole lot different that MH. I dont think we will hear anything substantial till the day of the announcement.
It will leak out then, but before then look for lots and lots of speculation among real tidbits of real info. LWS brings real info, as does DeerPark and Babyvol. Sure its not always completely accurate, but its real, as in it as some substance to it.
I tend to believe that JG and DH have met at least once. There is nothing to say it couldnt take place in the evening. Tampa is a short plane ride from Knoxville. Hart could leave the office in the late afternoon and be in Tampa by 6 pm, have a two hour meeting and be home by 11 pm. Just a thought.........
 
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