announcement on dooley

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LWSVOL said:
IMO, Gruden is the home run. after that, there is no home run. they pull him or after that go for who you think is best guy. Stoops ain't coming and is only other one on the hot lists who might qualify as home run.

don't go paying someone 4 or 5 million and think that means you made a home run hire because you would not have. IMO

take Patterson. it would take 4 million to get him and no one has a clue if he can recruit here. too much risk, for the money IMO
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Charlie Strong would be the best candidate if a Gruden hire doesn't pan out.
 
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RATROD said:
Larry I think Strong will demand over $3mil, what do you think?
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agree. I would not go over 3.5 for him. not even sure that high is worth it at this juncture.

Meyer is my measureing stick. 2 NCs and he makes 4 million at one of the best places in college FB.
 
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phowell23 said:
LWS,

What % are you that Gruden will be our next head coach? You were 10% then 5%, is it still at 5%?
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I was tempted yesterday to raise it just due to all the chatter yesterday. I checked with a dozen different people this morning and none feel it is happening. saying it could, but none of them see it happening.

I'll raise it to 10% just to recognize those keeping the hopes alive. :)
 
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LWS, nothing against Dooley but do you think UT can afford trying to be a "proving ground" for up and coming coaches? do you believe the powers that be realize we may be better off hiring a proven coach?
 
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LWSVOL said:
I was tempted yesterday to raise it just due to all the chatter yesterday. I checked with a dozen different people this morning and none feel it is happening. saying it could, but none of them see it happening.

I'll raise it to 10% just to recognize those keeping the hopes alive. :)
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Re you still believing that it will be Kirby Smart...even after what Hart said about they need to have head coaching experience?
 
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volfanatic74 said:
LWS, nothing against Dooley but do you think UT can afford trying to be a "proving ground" for up and coming coaches? do you believe the powers that be realize we may be better off hiring a proven coach?
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yes, that is the plan. proven head coach. if we don't get one, it means there was nothing we could do to convince them. money won't be a hinderance although we pay someone worth 2.5 million, 3.5 million
 
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Coastypop said:
Re you still believing that it will be Kirby Smart...even after what Hart said about they need to have head coaching experience?
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oh no, came off smart a couple months back.. someone suggested we needed experienced head coach, prefer BCS back gorund..
 
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LWSVOL said:
I was tempted yesterday to raise it just due to all the chatter yesterday. I checked with a dozen different people this morning and none feel it is happening. saying it could, but none of them see it happening.

I'll raise it to 10% just to recognize those keeping the hopes alive. :)
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Wtf
 
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LWSVOL said:
I was tempted yesterday to raise it just due to all the chatter yesterday. I checked with a dozen different people this morning and none feel it is happening. saying it could, but none of them see it happening.

I'll raise it to 10% just to recognize those keeping the hopes alive. :)
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How come all the other signs point to him coming? How is some people's information such a drastic difference than others? Someone is wayyyyy off here...

And I know you are just saying what you have heard but I just don't understand how people can be hearing such different stories on Gruden
 
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TN Grudeneers said:
How come all the other signs point to him coming? How is some people's information such a drastic difference than others? Someone is wayyyyy off here...

And I know you are just saying what you have heard but I just don't understand how people can be hearing such different stories on Gruden
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people I speak with a scratching their heads over those thinking it is done.. I can't answer your question..
 
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The longer the Gruden deal goes on the less likely he is to be here.. Tennessee won't wait until late Dec to name a coach..
 
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Cartervol said:
The longer the Gruden deal goes on the less likely he is to be here.. Tennessee won't wait until late Dec to name a coach..
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I don't see how UT could afford to wait that long. Recruits are looking to see who the new HC is going to be before they make a decision to stay or commit.
 
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Cartervol said:
The longer the Gruden deal goes on the less likely he is to be here.. Tennessee won't wait until late Dec to name a coach..
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I agree with this if it is not done in the next 10-14 days it will not be Gruden. UT cannot afford to wait any longer than that.
 
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So much unwarranted speculation here and few, so very few, facts. Since this is the direction of this thread, I'll take a few moments to to share a couple of the very few facts I have come across, and then add a comment or two on the massive amount of speculation which is as big as the iceberg that did in the Titantic.

FACT: I know three very deep pocketed boosters in my area here in West Tennessee. All three have assured me money in the new hire is no concern as long as the figure remains between $5-6 million. In the wirds of one of the"The panic button along with all fire levers in buildings should have been activated half way into the third quarter of the Florida game. That is all they would share with me, so I have finished the factual aspect of this post.

Onward to my reactions to just a limited number of the specualations swirling around like some sort of scourge right up there with the bubonic plague. Also, I'll share a couple of my own speculations since they fit the "specials" section of a greasy spoon cafe. Also, I'll inject facts that I know when warranted.

I think Hart made up his mind on Dooley when we failed to win at least two of the four hellish games we played in a row during October. IMO, he is much further ahead of the curve than many might think.


I have serious doubts about Gruden. The greater chunk of his career has been in the pro ranks. (Also, I suspect his TV salary keeps him and his family more than comfortable even though we have become about as materialistic as can be.)

For me, a bothersome and central point in this is whether or not Gruden would or would not shy away from a "Sabanish salary?" I really don't know. But, my instincts tell me if he gets the coaching itch again, he will look to the pro possibilties. (He may have had a brush or two with the 365 day a year of college recruiting in some form or fashion, but I would bet a great deal that he fully understands its demands, and surely the temperature in his feet drops quickly as he debates with himself or anyone else about taking on a university job, especially in a state which must recruit from near as well as far...and on this I am talking uber-far.

I feel we are in much better hands this time around than when he had Hamilton. Hart does impress me and that is a fact. That he impresses me is a fact regardless of how any of you might feel.


I would be reluctant to write Fisher off. While I have met him, I don't know him beyond the politeness of, "Pleasure to meet you. Have a great day." I do, though, know two people who got to know him well and came to be pretty close friends with him when he coached the Titans. They tell me he loves Tennessee and was much distraught when B. Adams booted him. On top of that, they tell me he has nothing but hateful things to say about living in St. Louis. He hasn't stopped frowning since his arrival there.

Further on Fisher, go above and revisit my thoughts on Gruden when the reality of NCAA recruiting comes to his mind.


I have no more to say that would much illuminate anthing else. Thus, enjoy your Thanksgiving, and let's hope that soon we will have as Big Orange folks something special to be thank:hmm:ful for in unison.

Sam
 
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Jeff Fisher would take a look at our kicking situation and would have a heart attack. Fish loves him some field goal kickers haha.
 
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samanderson said:
So much unwarranted speculation here and few, so very few, facts. Since this is the direction of this thread, I'll take a few moments to to share a couple of the very few facts I have come across, and then add a comment or two on the massive amount of speculation which is as big as the iceberg that did in the Titantic.

FACT: I know three very deep pocketed boosters in my area here in West Tennessee. All three have assured me money in the new hire is no concern as long as the figure remains between $5-6 million. In the wirds of one of the"The panic button along with all fire levers in buildings should have been activated half way into the third quarter of the Florida game. That is all they would share with me, so I have finished the factual aspect of this post.

Onward to my reactions to just a limited number of the specualations swirling around like some sort of scourge right up there with the bubonic plague. Also, I'll share a couple of my own speculations since they fit the "specials" section of a greasy spoon cafe. Also, I'll inject facts that I know when warranted.

I think Hart made up his mind on Dooley when we failed to win at least two of the four hellish games we played in a row during October. IMO, he is much further ahead of the curve than many might think.


I have serious doubts about Gruden. The greater chunk of his career has been in the pro ranks. (Also, I suspect his TV salary keeps him and his family more than comfortable even though we have become about as materialistic as can be.)

For me, a bothersome and central point in this is whether or not Gruden would or would not shy away from a "Sabanish salary?" I really don't know. But, my instincts tell me if he gets the coaching itch again, he will look to the pro possibilties. (He may have had a brush or two with the 365 day a year of college recruiting in some form or fashion, but I would bet a great deal that he fully understands its demands, and surely the temperature in his feet drops quickly as he debates with himself or anyone else about taking on a university job, especially in a state which must recruit from near as well as far...and on this I am talking uber-far.

I feel we are in much better hands this time around than when he had Hamilton. Hart does impress me and that is a fact. That he impresses me is a fact regardless of how any of you might feel.


I would be reluctant to write Fisher off. While I have met him, I don't know him beyond the politeness of, "Pleasure to meet you. Have a great day." I do, though, know two people who got to know him well and came to be pretty close friends with him when he coached the Titans. They tell me he loves Tennessee and was much distraught when B. Adams booted him. On top of that, they tell me he has nothing but hateful things to say about living in St. Louis. He hasn't stopped frowning since his arrival there.

Further on Fisher, go above and revisit my thoughts on Gruden when the reality of NCAA recruiting comes to his mind.


I have no more to say that would much illuminate anthing else. Thus, enjoy your Thanksgiving, and let's hope that soon we will have as Big Orange folks something special to be thank:hmm:ful for in unison.

Sam
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Interesting. You seem to discount Gruden because he is a NFL guy. Yet, your replacemnet is Jeff, who is also a NFL guy. I remain a huge fan of Jeff Fisher. However, I do think his style would play well in Knoxville at all. He may hate St Louis, but I cant picture him leaving after one year. He's not that type of man.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Are you saying that you came off smart a couple months back?
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that may be wrong. may have been a month ago.

I can't recall.

I came off Smart when I heard the AD was encouraged IF he had to look to look at head coaching experience, BCS level preferred

Now, Smart is still on Hart's list and if we end up getting a lt of rejections, he could always try to sell that
 
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LWSVOL said:
that may be wrong. may have been a month ago.

I can't recall.

I came off Smart when I heard the AD was encouraged IF he had to look to look at head coaching experience, BCS level preferred

Now, Smart is still on Hart's list and if we end up getting a lt of rejections, he could always try to sell that
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So who are the top two Larry? I know Gruden is out.
 
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LWSVOL said:
IMO, Gruden is the home run. after that, there is no home run. they pull him or after that go for who you think is best guy. Stoops ain't coming and is only other one on the hot lists who might qualify as home run.

don't go paying someone 4 or 5 million and think that means you made a home run hire because you would not have. IMO

take Patterson. it would take 4 million to get him and no one has a clue if he can recruit here. too much risk, for the money IMO
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Even if Patterson were to bring Bumpas and Shannon with him, you don't think he would be worth the 4 mil?
 
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utkell65 said:
Even if Patterson were to bring Bumpas and Shannon with him, you don't think he would be worth the 4 mil?
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not in my opinion.. just doesn't have the recruiting resume needed in knoxville. But, he might be successful here, just hard to know...

he would certainly need a strong recruiting staff
 
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