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germanicus said:
I'm not getting that Williams was rated lower. He was a three star on Rivals and two star on Scout. Yemi was a three star on Rivals and not rated on Scout. Pops was a two star on Rivals and not rated by Scout. Granted, none were rated high, but I wouldn't call Yemi and Pops higher rated.
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Thought Pops was rated higher at the time of his signing with Tennessee, no?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Thought Pops was rated higher a the time of his signing with Tennessee, no?
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I don't think so. My memory - and I'm much older than you so it could be faltering - is that Williams was a decent signee, but was a disappointment because Tennessee had missed on DeJuan Blair, J. J. Hickson and Mac Koshwal to get to him.

Pops was so obscure that Eric Bossi at Rivals said he'd never heard of him when his name first came up as a Tennessee target. He wasn't rated at all until he signed with Tennessee. Same thing with Yemi. The recruiting services sometimes give a kid some kind of rating after he signs with a D1 school.
 
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germanicus said:
I don't think so. My memory - and I'm much older than you so it could be faltering - is that Williams was a decent signee, but was a disappointment because Tennessee had missed on DeJuan Blair, J. J. Hickson and Mac Koshwal to get to him.

Pops was so obscure that Eric Bossi at Rivals said he'd never heard of him when his name first came up as a Tennessee target. He wasn't rated at all until he signed with Tennessee. Same thing with Yemi. The recruiting services sometimes give a kid some kind of rating after he signs with a D1 school.
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Fair enough. Like I said, I expect Pops (or had Yemi stayed then Yemi) if they are the starting center next year, to be decent. You sound higher on Williams than I was, so that could be part of the issue here.

Yemi played in 20 minutes against Wichita and had decent numbers, no reason to think he couldn't do that on a nightly basis, and that was as a sophomore.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Well Yemi played 20 minutes last year against a final four team...he ended up with 9pts and 8rbd and didn't foul out, I would say that's pretty "effective".
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Like when you said "Jarnell arguably had his best game of his freshmen career against Kentucky", same goes to Yemi. That was his best game all year, so saying Yemi is an effective player off that one game is a bit rubbish. Could he fill a roster spot? Absolutely. Could he do major contributing logging minutes? Doubtfully.
 
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iKrager said:
Like when you said "Jarnell arguably had his best game of his freshmen career against Kentucky", same goes to Yemi. That was his best game all year, so saying Yemi is an effective player off that one game is a bit rubbish. Could he fill a roster spot? Absolutely. Could he do major contributing logging minutes? Doubtfully.
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I'll just leave this one at....ok man.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I'll just leave this one at....ok man.
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So you're telling me you think if Yemi Makanjoula played for 30+ minutes a game he would be a major contributor? He'd have major fouling problems and his numbers weren't impressive aside from rebounding. You gave an analysis off of his best game, stating that he could play like that every game. Where was Yemi during the Presbyterian game that he logged 16 minutes and 3 points and 4 boards? I can name countless examples where he did NOT pull through.
 
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iKrager said:
So you're telling me you think if Yemi Makanjoula played for 30+ minutes a game he would be a major contributor? He'd have major fouling problems and his numbers weren't impressive aside from rebounding. You gave an analysis off of his best game, stating that he could play like that every game. Where was Yemi during the Presbyterian game that he logged 16 minutes and 3 points and 4 boards? I can name countless examples where he did NOT pull through.
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For starters I never used the term "major contributor" so not sure where you're getting that from. I used the term "decent" and "effective", nothing close to "major contributor", but now that that's established...

I just find it a bit hypocritical coming from you...the guy claiming Reese will be a major contributor. Or calling for Galen Campbell to be logging minutes for a team with final four aspirations. Yemi has shown more than both of those guys combined, so as I said, I didn't see it coming from YOU.

As for what you're saying...the poster I quoted asked if I thought Yemi could be "effective" if he was given 20 minutes of playing time. We have ONE example from last year in which Yemi played at least 20 minutes of ball...those numbers were 9pts & 8rbd, in my opinion, that would likely be defined as "effective". Would you argue that Yemi WASN'T effective in that game?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
For starters I never used the term "major contributor" so not sure where you're getting that from. I used the term "decent" and "effective", nothing close to "major contributor", but now that that's established...

I just find it a bit hypocritical coming from you...the guy claiming Reese will be a major contributor. Or calling for Galen Campbell to be logging minutes for a team with final four aspirations. Yemi has shown more than both of those guys combined, so as I said, I didn't see it coming from YOU.

As for what you're saying...the poster I quoted asked if I thought Yemi could be "effective" if he was given 20 minutes of playing time. We have ONE example from last year in which Yemi played at least 20 minutes of ball...those numbers were 9pts & 8rbd, in my opinion, that would likely be defined as "effective". Would you argue that Yemi WASN'T effective in that game?
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I was the one who said he wouldn't be a major contributor, and you disagreed. Please show me where I said Reese would be a major contributor, I said he wouldn't be as bad as you think he is. All I'm saying is, he had a good game against Wichita and that was about it. He didn't show up for a lot of the lower-tier teams when he got a chance to play and he fouled quite often. Yes, he could be effective but not effective enough to compete in the SEC. I don't want to fill up the boards with our debates :unsure:
 
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iKrager said:
I was the one who said he wouldn't be a major contributor, and you disagreed. Please show me where I said Reese would be a major contributor, I said he wouldn't be as bad as you think he is. All I'm saying is, he had a good game against Wichita and that was about it. He didn't show up for a lot of the lower-tier teams when he got a chance to play and he fouled quite often. Yes, he could be effective but not effective enough to compete in the SEC. I don't want to fill up the boards with our debates :unsure:
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Well I disagree, but that's fine. I never said he would be a "major contributor" like you said, that was my point. I said he "COULD" be effective, and going for damn near a double double against a final four team is evidence of that.

He was a sophomore last year which you're judging him on, me saying I think he could be "effective", was a hypothetical situation that would be next year. So basically you're saying in 2 more off seasons, and one more full season he wouldn't improve at all, I disagree...that is all.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Well I disagree, but that's fine. I never said he would be a "major contributor" like you said, that was my point. I said he "COULD" be effective, and going for damn near a triple double against a final four team is evidence of that.

He was a sophomore last year which you're judging him on, me saying I think he could be "effective", was a hypothetical situation that would be next year. So naively you're saying in 2 more off seasons, and one more full season he wouldn't improve at all, I disagree...that is all.
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Yeah okay, you win this one. You bring up a good point. I know what you mean if I said Reese would turn into a quality player by his 4th year why wouldn't Yemi. Touche sir.
 
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Committed to Utah.

I have a feeling the staff feels VERY good about their chances of landing one of Looney/Black.

Those are really the only 2 guys left on the board, and set to OV.
 
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SJAVol32 said:
Oh definitely would be really happy with the future of the 2014-15 team.
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Absolutely...lets say we close the class with Black. You could be looking at a 2014-2015 squad of:

PG: Thompson (SO)/ Austin (FR)
SG: Hubbs (SO)/ Cornish (FR)
SF: Richardson (SR)/ Moore (JR)
F: Black (FR)/ Davis (SO)/ Cofer (FR)
C: Pops (SR)/ Turman (FR)


That's a NCAA tournament team, and a great core going forward. That team would likely only lose Richardson and Pops, with development and a solid 2015 class you could be looking at a very good team in 2015-2016 again.

Closing out the class with one of the big 2 is a step towards making Tennessee a top 25 program again IMO. A tournament team year in and year out, with every couple years having the makeup for a nice run...and that's ultimately the goal IMO.
 
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