Another bad apple (George Floyd case)

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n_huffhines said:
It doesn't. Why do the few bad actors represent the cause? Does Timothy McVeigh represent the small-government cause? No. Of course not.

Half the country is saying they're sick and tired of police brutality and a small % are looting. The looters are not the cause.
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The looters are a separate issue on to themselves.

Everyone of them should be held accountable for their disregard for the law and breaking it, and causing harm and inflicting damage onto others.

Same as the 4 pos police men who are the cause of the outrage.... which ignited these morons to react as they have.

Just sad all around.
 
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utvolpj said:
Even better when the position ascribed to me is one I absolutely have never taken
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You demanded to know why they hadn't been locked up yet. I told you why. Same reason any company with a union cannot fire an employee who is part of the union without a mountain of paperwork and red tape.

If I wrongly accused you of being a union guy, then I apologize.
 
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tennvols77 said:
The looters are a separate issue on to themselves.

Everyone of them should be held accountable for their disregard for the law and breaking it, and causing harm and inflicting damage onto others.

Same as the 4 pos police men who are the cause of the outrage.... which ignited these morons to react as they have.

Just sad all around.
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I do question whether or not rioting helps the cause. Who's to say the threat of a riot isn't the reason these police were punished so swiftly? What if it is exacting change/helping the cause? Doesn't change the ugly nature of it
 
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n_huffhines said:
I do question whether or not rioting helps the cause. Who's to say the threat of a riot isn't the reason these police were punished so swiftly? What if it is exacting change/helping the cause? Doesn't change the ugly nature of it
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Well I guess they learned that holding bad police accountable doesn’t matter. There is an obvious pattern to looting and rioting. Call it what you want but it is what it is. It’s definitely not any kind of “systematic oppression”.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I do question whether or not rioting helps the cause. Who's to say the threat of a riot isn't the reason these police were punished so swiftly? What if it is exacting change/helping the cause? Doesn't change the ugly nature of it
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I don't know, better served trying to remain lawful and fight, than be just like the pos that have started the reaction...? IDK......

I'd be fine with vigilantism and storming the gates and having a good old hanging in the town square if we must act unlawfully.....
 
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n_huffhines said:
I do question whether or not rioting helps the cause. Who's to say the threat of a riot isn't the reason these police were punished so swiftly? What if it is exacting change/helping the cause? Doesn't change the ugly nature of it
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I think we agree on everything regarding this subject. I have to think it has at least some degree of progressing the movement in the right direction. Obviously does not excuse the crime though. Seems disingenuous to say it does absolutely nothing.

Kind of moot point in any case because, as I just posted, no sane person condones looting. I'll say again you goofballs acting like they do are just flat out stupid or disingenuous. Or both.
 
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Bigun said:
You demanded to know why they hadn't been locked up yet. I told you why. Same reason any company with a union cannot fire an employee who is part of the union without a mountain of paperwork and red tape.

If I wrongly accused you of being a union guy, then I apologize.
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I simply asked a question. This isn't about red tape it's about murder. Being in a union should in no way trump the law. Every other person without a badge would be sitting in jail for that act. The officer who committed the act and the other 3 who watched should all be arrested and charged. Let the court decide their fate not a union

You wrongly accused me of so much I think you may be very confused who you quoted
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
No sane person condones looting. The people acting like they do are just as crazy/stupid as the looters.
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It’s not about condoning it’s about allowing it to happen. If anything is done to stop or prevent it the obvious card will be played and they know it.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I do question whether or not rioting helps the cause. Who's to say the threat of a riot isn't the reason these police were punished so swiftly? What if it is exacting change/helping the cause? Doesn't change the ugly nature of it
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That sounds an awful lot like "terrorism light" with maybe some bonus take home swag if the looting went well.
 
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utvolpj said:
I simply asked a question. This isn't about red tape it's about murder. Being in a union should in no way trump the law. Every other person without a badge would be sitting in jail for that act. The officer who committed the act and the other 3 who watched should all be arrested and charged. Let the court decide their fate not a union

You wrongly accused me of so much I think you may be very confused who you quoted
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I agree with you but I'm telling you the union holds that type of power. It truly is an Act of Congress to get one of these union guys fired from a job. Now it is causing red tape and delay in arresting the officers although it is coming. People should be patient as the FBI/prosecutors office are hopefully taking the time to put together a case that can't be taken down by a Johnnie Cochran type defense lawyer.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It doesn't. Why do the few bad actors represent the cause? Does Timothy McVeigh represent the small-government cause? No. Of course not.

Half the country is saying they're sick and tired of police brutality and a small % are looting. The looters are not the cause.
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I wonder if the same sentiment can be applied to police officers?
 
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C-south said:
What are they doing to stop it?
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The police are using their typical riot tactics. It's tough to get a situation like that under control. The governor also requested assistance from the MN national guard.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. We already established that the criminals are stupid, so I highly doubt anyone will give any credibility to potential claims of racism. Even if they did, who cares? There is plenty of real racism to be upset about.
 
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Bigun said:
I agree with you but I'm telling you the union holds that type of power. It truly is an Act of Congress to get one of these union guys fired from a job. Now it is causing red tape and delay in arresting the officers although it is coming. People should be patient as the FBI/prosecutors office are hopefully taking the time to put together a case that can't be taken down by a Johnnie Cochran type defense lawyer.
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I’m in a union. I can tell you there are quite a
few transgressions that would get me fired in a heartbeat with no recourse, Union or not. Can’t speak for all unions though.
 
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C-south said:
What are they doing to stop it?
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It's easy to armchair quarterback how to pour more gasoline on a fire and then complain about the size of the fire.

Tensions are high, I don't blame the leadership for not wanting to escalate the situation with people who are RIGHTFULLY upset and risk more bodily injury of the PD or the public..

The TV's and liquor are insured, those stores won't suffer too much.
 
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Bigun said:
I agree with you but I'm telling you the union holds that type of power. It truly is an Act of Congress to get one of these union guys fired from a job. Now it is causing red tape and delay in arresting the officers although it is coming. People should be patient as the FBI/prosecutors office are hopefully taking the time to put together a case that can't be taken down by a Johnnie Cochran type defense lawyer.
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They've been fired already. They have not been arrested to my knowledge
 
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Septic said:
It's easy to armchair quarterback how to pour more gasoline on a fire and then complain about the size of the fire.

Tensions are high, I don't blame the leadership for not wanting to escalate the situation with people who are RIGHTFULLY upset and risk more bodily injury of the PD or the public..

The TV's and liquor are insured, those stores won't suffer too much.
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Yay! We all get to pay with higher insurance premiums.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Of course. For me, it's less about the officers and more about the laws and police practices in general.
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I don't know. I agree to an extent but with the amount of officers nationwide there are going to be some bad ones, just like in every profession. This is on a much much smaller scale, but I thought about when I used to referee football games and was part of a crew and there were some good ref's and some bad ones and the bad ones weren't bad because they didn't know the rules, it was because they seem to be on a power trip on wanting to exert their authority to penalize a team or toss a player out. Imagine that type of attitude and then being a police officer and they power they have.

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to retool the entrance program and hiring policies followed by the procedures. I saw something posted on twitter that showed police officers with 4 year degree's were the better officers and ones not prone to actions such as what we saw in Minneapolis.
 
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