Another bad apple (George Floyd case)

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One former law enforcement official interviewed by KRLD indicated that a video showed the kneeling cop to shift his foot to apply more pressure when the man complained that he could not breathe. He also said that the other cops present were just as guilty for allowing it to happen. Evidently there are multiple videos documenting this murder. Makes you kind of wonder why private citizens didn't challenge the cops but it would take a brave, brave soul to do so.
utvolpj said:
Do you want to trade your life for his? Challenge 4 cops intent on hurting someone and thats likely the outcome
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Like I said, it would take a brave brave soul.
 
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It sucks but what can you do. The long history of slavery in Minnesota is what led to this. If a few free TVs is the price we have to pay for one anecdotal at best racist act then it is what it is.
 
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I say you just let this play out but use every tax refund being sent to that city's residents to pay for repairs
 
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C-south said:
So don’t write bad checks. Don’t resist arrest when you break the law. Don’t rob stores and attack cops. There’s a lot of lessons to be learned. Don’t try and find out who the bad cops are.
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And if you're one of those 4 cops, and the suspect is now cuffed and not resisting and under control, GTF off his neck when he repeatedly says he can't breathe. The situation had long passed the need to physically pin him to the ground. There was not much thought went into securing an unarmed no-violent suspect. If he resisted at first, fine, take him down and get him secured. Then GTF off his neck. You just ruined your career, life, and your families lives over unnecessary restraint at the point it was no longer needed. And the other 3 as well because no one de-escalated a now peaceful situation, or intervened with the one cop putting the suspect in distress after the fact.

As for the people attacking a wheel chaired older white lady for being white, they need to be identified and given the same treatment these cops face. That was outright racism and race crime. The cops are guilty of stupidity. Can't prove racism was a factor. It has been made one but can't be proven in court.


One fact that does exist in all these cases going back to St. Louis or further, when it involved alleged racist cop behavior towards blacks, it always involved responding to criminals/criminal behavior. None of them were innocently targeted for being good law abiding people that happened to be black.. But, the aftermath was full on race card.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
No sane person condones looting. The people acting like they do are just as crazy/stupid as the looters.
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People who enable criminality ALWAYS condone it. Whatever excuse they use (poverty, drug addiction, "systematic racism") it is always the same.
 
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Bigun said:
I don't know. I agree to an extent but with the amount of officers nationwide there are going to be some bad ones, just like in every profession. This is on a much much smaller scale, but I thought about when I used to referee football games and was part of a crew and there were some good ref's and some bad ones and the bad ones weren't bad because they didn't know the rules, it was because they seem to be on a power trip on wanting to exert their authority to penalize a team or toss a player out. Imagine that type of attitude and then being a police officer and they power they have.

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to retool the entrance program and hiring policies followed by the procedures. I saw something posted on twitter that showed police officers with 4 year degree's were the better officers and ones not prone to actions such as what we saw in Minneapolis.
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I think this is the major factor. And due to the type of work police do, it's going to cause a lot more attention when they screw up.

As for hiring policies? Requiring 4 year degrees would be great, but honestly how many 4 year degree grads are going to look at a career as a police officer for the type of work, pay, and risk that comes with it? Take Memphis for example. Memphis has been low staff for years since a bunch left after the city cut their pension benefits. Dallas came up here recruiting. I think Memphis has lowered their requirements to allow high school grads that have a few years of work experience.
 
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NashVol11 said:
The guy who got killed over an alleged bad check? It seems pretty strange NOT to feel bad for him, even if you and Justin wear that as a badge of honor
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Unsurprising that you didn’t view the link to which I replied which, wait for it, deals with a completely different “incident.”
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
People who enable criminality ALWAYS condone it. Whatever excuse they use (poverty, drug addiction, "systematic racism") it is always the same.
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And sane people don't loot and riot in the first place. I'm saying that everyone in this thread and forum who claim that normal are condoning are just as dumb as the criminals. Some here are creating the faux outrage they always complain about.
 
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Septic said:
Ruling with an authoritarian iron fist in a situation that simply requires a little time for tempers to defuse would be stupid and short sighted. The last thing that or any community needs is the police to clash with a seriously pissed off public. I hear you though and im not condoning theft. But this is a volatile situation, these people need time to decompress before it REALLY spirals out of control. TV's can be replaced, lives can't.
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im sure if this was YOUR home or business you would be totes cool with letting them steal/break/assault everyone
 
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Plano Vol said:
One former law enforcement official interviewed by KRLD indicated that a video showed the kneeling cop to shift his foot to apply more pressure when the man complained that he could not breathe. He also said that the other cops present were just as guilty for allowing it to happen. Evidently there are multiple videos documenting this murder. Makes you kind of wonder why private citizens didn't challenge the cops but it would take a brave, brave soul to do so.
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I was thinking that myself. What color/race was the person videoing the scene. Were they not concerned for this person's well being. He was obviously subdued, cuffed and not a threat at the time. If the video taker was white, are you not also racist. If the video taker was black, were you more concerned over getting a racist video instead of speaking up for your own brother. There are more guilty people here than just 4 cops. I have not seen any clips that shows anything prior to him already being on his neck, so don't know what led to such a physical arrest for suspected forgery.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
im sure if this was YOUR home or business you would be totes cool with letting them steal/break/assault everyone
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Dude, why do you always go off the deep end with any statement that even slightly differs from your view? Do you think Sep was really saying that? Things like this are why so you get so much s***.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I think this is the major factor. And due to the type of work police do, it's going to cause a lot more attention when they screw up.

As for hiring policies? Requiring 4 year degrees would be great, but honestly how many 4 year degree grads are going to look at a career as a police officer for the type of work, pay, and risk that comes with it? Take Memphis for example. Memphis has been low staff for years since a bunch leaved after the city cut their pension benefits. Dallas came up here recruiting. I think Memphis has lowered their requirements to allow high school grads that have a few years of work experience.
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another issue is big city departments have lowered their standards so they can make their departments more "diverse" including taking former druggies/felons from the inner city areas. and most police officers (like most Nurses) move on to better paid jobs so turnover is an issue
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Dude, why do you always go off the deep end with any statement that even slightly differs from your view? Do you think Sep was really saying that? Things like this are why so you get so much s***.
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Septic is suggesting these riots arent that big a deal and in reality he would be the first one b*tching if the was the one who was assaulted or robbed
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
And sane people don't loot and riot in the first place. I'm saying that everyone in this thread and forum who claim that normal are condoning are just as dumb as the criminals. Some here are creating the faux outrage they always complain about.
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These people aren't "insane" they are criminals. They always have been and always will be. No normal person protests by doing these things. They don't know anything else in life but crime
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Septic is suggesting these riots arent that big a deal and in reality he would be the first one b*tching if the was the one who was assaulted or robbed
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No, he's not. Quote him and show me exactly where he made that suggestion. Show me where any sane person is even coming close to making such a suggestion.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
No, he's not. Quote him and show me exactly where he made that suggestion. Show me where any sane person is even coming close to making such a suggestion.
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"But this is a volatile situation, these people need time to decompress before it REALLY spirals out of control. TV's can be replaced, lives can't."

You believe that "these people need time to decompress" by looting and assaulting others?
 
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