Another bad apple (George Floyd case)

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n_huffhines said:
You are incapable of having a meaningful exchange. You either don't know what I'm saying or you're just trolling.
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I know exactly what you are saying, I have illustrated it backwards and forwards and obliterated the ridiculous notion that black lives matter when example after example show that they don't. Some black lives matter, the politically convenient ones. YOU yourself said that the ones that cause outrage are the murders committed by police/whites because they are seen as the ruling class.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Useless?
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Yes, it doesn't show whether he resisted or not once they crossed the street.

In any case whether he resisted or didn't there is no excuse for keeping a knee on his neck for as long as they did. So the video is useless, shows nothing of importance.
 
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hog88 said:
Yes, it doesn't show whether he resisted or not once they crossed the street.

In any case whether he resisted or didn't there is no excuse for keeping a knee on his neck for as long as they did. So the video is useless, shows nothing of importance.
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So more context is useless? It's 99% of what we need to see, and it is useless because it's not 100%?

Do you think that the missing 1% is going to exonerate these guys based on their word?
 
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n_huffhines said:
So more context is useless? It's 99% of what we need to see, and it is useless because it's not 100%?

Do you think that the missing 1% is going to exonerate these guys based on their word?
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I see you are having your normal comprehension problems. I said that there is no excuse for their actions whether he resisted or not.

The video lends nothing to either side.
 
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hog88 said:
I see you are having your normal comprehension problems. I said that there is no excuse for their actions whether he resisted or not.

The video lends nothing to either side.
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$50 says if these cops made written statements before this video came out, they said Floyd resisted multiple times en route from his car to the back of the police cruiser. They'll discredit themselves.
 
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Just let this be a lesson to all of you law breaking heathens that think you can get away with passing a bad check. Oh and if you're a wealthy actor you can buy your stupid kids into college and get by with a fine and covid-19 release from jail, because, we wouldn't want anyone to get sick and all. The justice system is broken.
 
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n_huffhines said:
$50 says if these cops made written statements before this video came out, they said Floyd resisted multiple times en route from his car to the back of the police cruiser. They'll discredit themselves.
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He did though. 3 times. He tries to drop to his knees twice then finally does it. Thats called resisting.

The crime of using physical force (no matter how slight in the eyes of most law enforcement officers) to prevent arrest, handcuffing, or taking the accused to jail. It is also called "resisting an officer" (which can include interfering with a peace officer's attempt to keep the peace) and is sometimes referred to merely as "resisting."
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resisting arrest
 
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n_huffhines said:
$50 says if these cops made written statements before this video came out, they said Floyd resisted multiple times en route from his car to the back of the police cruiser. They'll discredit themselves.
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It doesn't matter what they reported. There is no excuse for keeping him pinned down that long.

Some people will claim they can see him resisting in that video, others will claim it's clear he is not. It doesn't matter so the video is useless.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I wonder how fast pointing out he was resisting gets conflated into being pro cop murder.
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exactly, just like Arbery, some can't admit that the suspect themselves played some part of what happened during the incident with their choices.

Doesn't make it right, doesn't mean you are "pro murder for trespassing or resisting" or whatever BS the emotional type normally spews.

It just is what it is
 
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hog88 said:
It doesn't matter what they reported. There is no excuse for keeping him pinned down that long.

Some people will claim they can see him resisting in that video, others will claim it's clear he is not. It doesn't matter so the video is useless.
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No one is making excuses for that, the only thing that is wrong with this entire encounter is the officer keeping his knee on the back of his neck for so long.

There is no excuse for it, and it's against training, and i am sure against the departmental policy, since he was fired so quickly.

The police being called on him wasn't wrong
The police handcuffing him wasn't wrong
The police arresting him and trying to get him into the cruiser wasn't wrong
The police using physical force to contain him wasn't wrong

The ONLY THING wrong here was the officer using his knee in that manner for that long period of time
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No one is making excuses for that, the only thing that is wrong with this entire encounter is the officer keeping his knee on the back of his neck for so long.

There is no excuse for it, and it's against training, and i am sure against the departmental policy, since he was fired so quickly.

The police being called on him wasn't wrong
The police handcuffing him wasn't wrong
The police arresting him and trying to get him into the cruiser wasn't wrong
The police using physical force to contain him wasn't wrong

The ONLY THING wrong here was the officer using his knee in that manner for that long period of time
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You’re right. That’s all that matters. The amount of effort going into trying to determine what the victim did up to the point of being pinned down by the neck literally amounts to Jack ****. It’s the same thing over and over again. There was ZERO reason for the cop to pin him down. He could have called the cops mom a whore and it wouldn’t condone it.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No one is making excuses for that, the only thing that is wrong with this entire encounter is the officer keeping his knee on the back of his neck for so long.

There is no excuse for it, and it's against training, and i am sure against the departmental policy, since he was fired so quickly.

The police being called on him wasn't wrong
The police handcuffing him wasn't wrong
The police arresting him and trying to get him into the cruiser wasn't wrong
The police using physical force to contain him wasn't wrong

The ONLY THING wrong here was the officer using his knee in that manner for that long period of time
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ok. The officer is still a POS for what he did, and should be charged with manslaughter, at a minimum.
 
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hog88 said:
It doesn't matter what they reported. There is no excuse for keeping him pinned down that long.

Some people will claim they can see him resisting in that video, others will claim it's clear he is not. It doesn't matter so the video is useless.
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What Id like to know is why they had him pinned down? It was obvious the dude was cuffed before it happened. I'm sure it will all come out.
 
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rjd970 said:
ok. The office is still a POS for what he did, and should be charged with manslaughter, at a minimum.
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A strong case could be made for a charge more than manslaughter.

Once the victim lost consciousness and stopped breathing the officer did absolutely nothing to help or resuscitate him. It's obvious the victim is unconscious and the officer's demeanor doesn't change one bit. I think legally, an argument could be made that the officer showed depraved indifference towards the condition of the victim/suspect's well being, which he is responsible for once he was taken into his custody. I'm sure the mens rea of the officer will be argued by both the defense and the prosecution. But I'm not a lawyer, perhaps RT85 or LG might want to weigh in?

Although courts might vary somewhat with regard to the exact definition of what constitutes depraved indifference, the prosecution generally must show that the defendant caused a death by knowingly engaging in conduct that created a grave risk of death. A person acts with depraved indifference when he or she shows such utter disregard for human life that it is apparent he or she was completely indifferent about creating a risk of death to another human being. This standard focuses on the risk that the defendant's conduct created and his or her lack of concern related to that risk.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
What Id like to know is why they had him pinned down? It was obvious the dude was cuffed before it happened. I'm sure it will all come out.
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It doesn't matter why. If he did something they could have charged him appropriately.
 
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hog88 said:
It doesn't matter what they reported. There is no excuse for keeping him pinned down that long.

Some people will claim they can see him resisting in that video, others will claim it's clear he is not. It doesn't matter so the video is useless.
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On that, we agree. There is no way the video is useless. There is so much evidence there and you are looking at it myopically because it doesn't answer this one question to your satisfaction...a question that you are arguing ultimately doesn't matter.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No one is making excuses for that, the only thing that is wrong with this entire encounter is the officer keeping his knee on the back of his neck for so long.

There is no excuse for it, and it's against training, and i am sure against the departmental policy, since he was fired so quickly.

The police being called on him wasn't wrong
The police handcuffing him wasn't wrong
The police arresting him and trying to get him into the cruiser wasn't wrong
The police using physical force to contain him wasn't wrong

The ONLY THING wrong here was the officer using his knee in that manner for that long period of time
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So thats the only thing wrong? So what is an acceptable period of time to choke someone with your knee? Do you think it's okay to choke someone for 5 minutes or is 10 minutes okay? Or maybe choking someone until the stop resisting arrest with their hands tied behind their back and die is okay. You're a picture boy for why people hate police.
 
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