Another GOP Grifter (Boebert)

[GroverCleveland]

I didn't say it was directly quoted. I said that it was derived from The Bill of Rights, as the video alludes to at the end.

Yes, I saw that and corrected my post accordingly.

The Court since the mid 20th century has followed your line of thought on this, I would say to an extreme. However, before that it did not and the pendulum seems to be swinging back from that excess. I do not think I can be anymore clear that my position is I oppose a theocracy, so would oppose Ms. Boebert if her contention is the state should be ruled by the church.

We obviously disagree on whether four seconds of a video of off the cuff remarks with a questionable statement (she said what she said, I am unsure she meant what was said) without supporting evidence that is, in fact, her position. Watching that video may have almost doubled my consumption of statements by her. Well, not quite.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Yes, I saw that and corrected my post accordingly.

The Court since the mid 20th century has followed your line of thought on this, I would say to an extreme. However, before that it did not and the pendulum seems to be swinging back from that excess. I do not think I can be anymore clear that my position is I oppose a theocracy, so would oppose Ms. Boebert if her contention is the state should be ruled by the church.

We obviously disagree on whether four seconds of a video of off the cuff remarks with a questionable statement (she said what she said, I am unsure she meant what was said) without supporting evidence that is, in fact, her position. Watching that video may have almost doubled my consumption of statements by her. Well, not quite.

If trying to judge a politician‘s meaning and intent by unclear statements on a video clip, can we now move in to discuss Joe Biden?

 

[GroverCleveland]

If trying to judge a politician‘s meaning and intent by unclear statements on a video clip, can we now move in to discuss Joe Biden?

Now to be clear with regards to Boebert, I did mention a lack of corroborating evidence. With regards to SPOTUS (Senile POTUS), there seems to be a plethora of corroborating evidence.

 

[VOLS INC.]

If trying to judge a politician‘s meaning and intent by unclear statements on a video clip, can we now move in to discuss Joe Biden?

Exactly.

The POTUS is clearly having cognitive issues which puts us all at risk. Same people going after Boebert don’t find Joe’s issues concerning at all.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I said to MOST jobs in public service... we already know that any doofus can be elected. She sure could have used a Civics class, however.

It always amuses me the level of pretend reverence for a phantom stipulation mistakingly attributed to the Constitution (separation of church and state) from the same people who daily scoff and ridicule something that IS actually in the Constitution (the right to bear arms)[/QUOTE]
This touches on it.

Separation of church and state

The Establishment Clause is not a phantom stipulation. James Madison was a primary framer of the United States Constitution. He believed that without separating church from state, there could be no real religious freedom.

 

[BowlBrother85]

If trying to judge a politician‘s meaning and intent by unclear statements on a video clip, can we now move in to discuss Joe Biden?

How was her statement unclear?

 

[OrangeTsar]

It always amuses me the level of pretend reverence for a phantom stipulation mistakingly attributed to the Constitution (separation of church and state) from the same people who daily scoff and ridicule something that IS actually in the Constitution (the right to bear arms)

This touches on it.

Separation of church and state

The Establishment Clause is not a phantom stipulation. James Madison was a primary framer of the United States Constitution. He believed that without separating church from state, there could be no real religious freedom.[/QUOTE]
But yet, that stipulation appears no where in the text of the document. Either he made a mistake or it wasn’t that important to him after all.
But sarcasm aside, the Constitution has the establishment clause, it does not have a separation clause. There IS a difference. The founders (including Madison) would be scandalized by the current liberal insistence that religious values and sensibilities have to be abandoned and left at the door once one accepts political office.

 

[OHvol40]

Na

 

[OHvol40]

But yet, that stipulation appears no where in the text of the document. Either he made a mistake or it wasn’t that important to him after all.
But sarcasm aside, the Constitution has the establishment clause, it does not have a separation clause. There IS a difference. The founders (including Madison) would be scandalized by the current liberal insistence that religious values and sensibilities have to be abandoned and left at the door once one accepts political office.

I don’t know anyone that cares if you leave your religious values at the door, just don’t try to jam them down our throats.

(Not sure why the quoting format isn’t working for me here)

 

[BowlBrother85]

But yet, that stipulation appears no where in the text of the document. Either he made a mistake or it wasn’t that important to him after all.
But sarcasm aside, the Constitution has the establishment clause, it does not have a separation clause. There IS a difference. The founders (including Madison) would be scandalized by the current liberal insistence that religious values and sensibilities have to be abandoned and left at the door once one accepts political office.

It is how the Supreme Court has chosen to apply the Establishment Clause, and based on historical statements made by James Madison and Thomas Jefferson, that seems consistent with the framers intention.

 

[zeppelin128]

Why does anyone care what this hideous piece of gutter trash thinks about anything?

 

[GroverCleveland]

And yet at the time the Constitution was written and ratified, most, if not all, states had laws requiring church attendance. Massachusetts, for example, was officially and legally a Congregationalist state until the 1830s. Which begs the question, were the Framers unaware of these state laws?

 

[BowlBrother85]

And yet at the time the Constitution was written and ratified, most, if not all, states had laws requiring church attendance. Massachusetts, for example, was officially and legally a Congregationalist state until the 1830s. Which begs the question, were the Framers unaware of these state laws?

In Alabama, it is against the law to have sex in church after the sun goes down ... but apparently acceptable in daylight hours.

 

[GroverCleveland]

In Alabama, it is against the law to have sex in church after the sun goes down ... but apparently acceptable in daylight hours.

In Quitman, Georgia it is illegal to allow any domestic fowl under your control to run loose upon the streets, but apparently acceptable to allow one's pet Vietnamese pot belly pig to do so. There is no restriction with regards to hour of the day mentioned in the ordinance.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Seems quite relevant actually. The proposition is that someone who failed to graduate HS when their peers did, is unqualified to be successful in a given position, specifically that of a member of Congress. Tsar, myself and others have provided examples of people who either achieved their diplomas late in life or never did but proved to be quite successful. None were congressman (maybe they were too smart for that?), but given their respective levels of competence, most would have have a better than average chance of being successful in public service.

You provided 60 year old anecdotes when the hs graduation rate was way lower. Not relevant to today.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I did watch the whole video. Kindly point out where “separation of church and state“ is quoted in the Bill of Rights. I will save you the time because it is not there.

Correction: I misread your response. You said derived; my mistake.

So, you believe that the church should be in control of the government? If so, which church?

 

[whodeycin85]

So, you believe that the church should be in control of the government? If so, which church?

Not in control. But maybe a moral compass for the society. The laws should reflect that moral compass but not directly more guidelines like speed limits. Not to the same level as Muslims..

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Not in control. But maybe a moral compass for the society. The laws should reflect that moral compass but not directly more guidelines like speed limits. Not to the same level as Muslims..

Yeah, I will pass.

 

[whodeycin85]

Yeah, I will pass.

Why do you choose to live in a country you dislike?

 

[hog88]

So, you believe that the church should be in control of the government? If so, which church?

Where did you get that he did from his post?

 

[GroverCleveland]

You provided 60 year old anecdotes when the hs graduation rate was way lower. Not relevant to today.

Says who? The proposition seems to be that a high school diploma today means something and is a solid measurement of one's ability to perform or succeed.

I submit that growing up in the Depression or dust bowl Oklahoma was by FAR tougher than not having a high school diploma today. A high school diploma mean bupkis with regards to measuring one's ability.

 

[GroverCleveland]

So, you believe that the church should be in control of the government? If so, which church?

No, I don't. Go back and read the the thread.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Where did you get that he did from his post?

He didn't. Just being argumentative.

 

[hog88]

He didn't. Just being argumentative.

Some people just can't handle the truth.

 

[GroverCleveland]

You provided 60 year old anecdotes when the hs graduation rate was way lower. Not relevant to today.

High schools are graduating functionally illiterate students today.

Again, nothing but personal anecdote, but in the 90s when my employees were a mixed crew, the Mexicans with their equivalent "6th" grade education were significantly better, on average, at math than the high school graduate natives. Diplomas today, with some exceptions, are good to keep in case of another toilet paper shortage.