Another start to the school year, another shooting; nothing will change

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whodeycin85 said:
If the SROs were looking for him...why didn't they look for him in the classes he was in..they have his schedule.m.and according to interviews he left class for the gun and came back..so that mean they knew where we was before he got the weapon..or did the mean gun come into the school itself and start shooting? The dad, kid, school, local Leo's, and FBI should all be accountable for these deaths..it call could have been prevented..
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It sounds like that school should have gone on lockdown, if it was communicated a gun could be involved.
 
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KB5252 said:
It sounds like that school should have gone on lockdown, if it was communicated a gun could be involved.
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From what I read there's about 25/30 minutes between mom's call and when he started shooting.
That's a small window
 
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Zues1 said:
From what I read there's about 25/30 minutes between mom's call and when he started shooting.
That's a small window
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How much warning do they need for someone who’s already been deemed unstable and made previous threats?
 
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volfanhill said:
Is it? Get the call. Pull his schedule. Send school resource officer. Maybe I'm naive
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I could be wrong just spitballing. How long was Mom on the call, 5 minutes, 10 minutes.
How quickly did the counselor react?
How quickly did the person the counselor reported to react?
 
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Look at the Austin East shooting a couple years ago. That kid wondered the halls for hours on security camera before the SRO reacted.
 
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Zues1 said:
I could be wrong just spitballing. How long was Mom on the call, 5 minutes, 10 minutes.
How quickly did the counselor react?
How quickly did the person the counselor reported to react?
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These are all great questions, and I'm sure will be used to help train/create policy for dealing with issues like this.

Honestly it sounds like everyone from the FBI to the kids parents, and many layers in between failed this kid and the people killed that day.
 
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Zues1 said:
He's a freshman, I don't know if the school was aware of his past.
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That's a problem because if the FBI had investigated who actually made the prior threat that kid should have never been in regular school unless under strict supervision.
 
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#766
InVOLuntary said:
I always knew you were a gator.

He's absolutely factually wrong. 16 year Olds can't go into a store and buy any gun let alone an AR15. Until you numbskulls realize this isn't a gun problem but a people problem, nothing will change.
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I don't believe he said the shooter purchased the AR. Dad did, and handed it to his mental fecal matter as a Christmas present.
Thanks Dad, what a guy.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I always knew you were a gator.

He's absolutely factually wrong. 16 year Olds can't go into a store and buy any gun let alone an AR15. Until you numbskulls realize this isn't a gun problem but a people problem, nothing will change.
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Only a true numbskull would fail to admit that it is both a gun problem and a people problem.
 
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luthervol said:
Only a true numbskull would fail to admit that it is both a gun problem and a people problem.
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no its not.

you fix the gun problem, you still have a people problem. and probably some other new problem to replace the guns.

you fix the people problem, and you have fixed the gun problem.

see the difference?
 
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LouderVol said:
no its not.

you fix the gun problem, you still have a people problem. and probably some other new problem to replace the guns.

you fix the people problem, and you have fixed the gun problem.

see the difference?
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No, not at all, considering the fact that there is absolutely no way in hell that the people problem will ever be fixed.
It's beyond asinine to even debate the possibility.
The people problem hasn't been "fixed" in 10,000 years, and it's not about to be fixed now.

But the people problem can and should be addressed because it is not a fixed problem.
It can and does get better and worse.
Same with the gun problem.
 
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luthervol said:
No, not at all, considering the fact that there is absolutely no way in hell that the people problem will ever be fixed.
It's beyond asinine to even debate the possibility.
The people problem hasn't been "fixed" in 10,000 years, and it's not about to be fixed now.

But the people problem can and should be addressed because it is not a fixed problem.
It can and does get better and worse.
Same with the gun problem.
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Ban democrats. That would decrease the murder rate of the born and the unborn
 
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luthervol said:
No, not at all, considering the fact that there is absolutely no way in hell that the people problem will ever be fixed.
It's beyond asinine to even debate the possibility.
The people problem hasn't been "fixed" in 10,000 years, and it's not about to be fixed now.

But the people problem can and should be addressed because it is not a fixed problem.
It can and does get better and worse.
Same with the gun problem.
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so its not worth debating that the people problem, because it can't be fixed. but it is worth debating the gun problem, even though it also can't be fixed?

forgive the pun but you get far more bang for your buck fixing the people problem than you ever would from fixing the gun problem. so even if the same investment fixes 50% of the gun problem but only 20% of the people problem, in the long run, and in things outside guns, its going to better by far to fix the people problem.

and I don't think the argument with the people problem is to 100% fix them. we just want some rational and reasonable limitations and think it would be better on the continuum if there were fewer people problems, than if it was just fewer gun problems.
 
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LouderVol said:
so its not worth debating that the people problem, because it can't be fixed. but it is worth debating the gun problem, even though it also can't be fixed?

forgive the pun but you get far more bang for your buck fixing the people problem than you ever would from fixing the gun problem. so even if the same investment fixes 50% of the gun problem but only 20% of the people problem, in the long run, and in things outside guns, its going to better by far to fix the people problem.

and I don't think the argument with the people problem is to 100% fix them. we just want some rational and reasonable limitations and think it would be better on the continuum if there were fewer people problems, than if it was just fewer gun problems.
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You know I didn't say anything even remotely like "it's not worth debating the people problem......."
In fact I specifically stated that the people problem can and should be addressed.
The fact that you immediately jump to false accusations about my position is curiously odd.
 
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