Anti-Trump Hysteria and Silliness

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Orange_Crush said:
You live in the slippery slope retreat, which is actually a logical fallacy. If we applied your slippery slope logic to everything, we'd never arrive at any truth.

And we don't need your slippery slope for you to answer my question. Does an underlying chemical imbalance mean that the resulting mental illness isn't a mental illness? Does knowing the cause of an illness mean that it isn't an illness?

Simple question. Simple answer.
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Bump @luthervol

I'm interested in your answer to these questions without another retreat to relativity.

Does knowing the underlying physical cause of a disease all of a sudden mean that it's not a disease?

The trans community are claiming that sex change operations are the treatment for what's wrong with them. What's wrong with them is a delta between how they feel and what they are physically, which would make the "what's wrong" a mental illness, unless you want to argue that "what is" is less real than "what's believed" or "felt".

So, there's very little argument needed about whether they have a mental illness. The discussion becomes about what the correct treatment is, and whether society should be forced to cater to their delusion--i.e. affirm a dying anorexic as fat, calling a schizophrenic "Napolean", or letting everyone with delusions of grandeur run the world.
 
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tumscalcium said:
What about brain?

You are what you are not what you want to be. My brain is wired to be a billionaire, yet here I am.
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I’ll bet So many people are comforted who might otherwise feel in their brain that they exited the birth canal in the wrong gender body knowing there are people like you who know what’s better for them than they do
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Bump @luthervol

I'm interested in your answer to these questions without another retreat to relativity.

Does knowing the underlying physical cause of a disease all of a sudden mean that it's not a disease?

The trans community are claiming that sex change operations are the treatment for what's wrong with them. What's wrong with them is a delta between how they feel and what they are physically, which would make the "what's wrong" a mental illness, unless you want to argue that "what is" is less real than "what's believed" or "felt".

So, there's very little argument needed about whether they have a mental illness. The discussion becomes about what the correct treatment is, and whether society should be forced to cater to their delusion--i.e. affirm a dying anorexic as fat, calling a schizophrenic "Napolean", or letting everyone with delusions of grandeur run the world.
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I don't particularly care about this issue. Personally, I find the transgender phenomenon to be another "look at me" platform.

But you write that as though there is some logic by which anyone whose emotional outlook does not match their natural sex is "mentally ill." I think that's irrational.
 
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PointGuard said:
I’ll bet So many people are comforted who might otherwise feel in their brain that they exited the birth canal in the wrong gender body knowing there are people like you who know what’s better for them than they do
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Can’t trust people who don’t know what they are.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Bump @luthervol

I'm interested in your answer to these questions without another retreat to relativity.

Does knowing the underlying physical cause of a disease all of a sudden mean that it's not a disease?

The trans community are claiming that sex change operations are the treatment for what's wrong with them. What's wrong with them is a delta between how they feel and what they are physically, which would make the "what's wrong" a mental illness, unless you want to argue that "what is" is less real than "what's believed" or "felt".

So, there's very little argument needed about whether they have a mental illness. The discussion becomes about what the correct treatment is, and whether society should be forced to cater to their delusion--i.e. affirm a dying anorexic as fat, calling a schizophrenic "Napolean", or letting everyone with delusions of grandeur run the world.
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No. Knowing that a mental disease is caused by a chemical imbalance does not mean it is not a mental disease..
No. Knowing the underlying physical cause of a disease does not mean it is not a disease.
Also, knowing that stepping in the whole caused you to break your ankle does not mean a broken ankle is a disease.
I guess it would get into how you define "mental disease" and what that label connotes.
The next question would be how far do we go in insuring that all people have similar chemical makeups.
In any distribution it is normal to have deviation from the norm, so in that sense, the deviation is perfectly normal.
The defining question boils down to, are we going to alter your mind to fit your body, or alter your body to fit your mind? And who gets to decide.

Another analogy would be a morbidly obese person who says "I know you see a morbidly obese person because that is obviously what I am on the outside, based on appearance, but I truly know there is a thin person inside dying to get out and be seen. I'm going to live a miserable existence if I don't get help."

A person who is chemically different from the norm isn't necessarily delusional.
 
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luthervol said:
No. Knowing that a mental disease is caused by a chemical imbalance does not mean it is not a mental disease..
No. Knowing the underlying physical cause of a disease does not mean it is not a disease.
Also, knowing that stepping in the whole caused you to break your ankle does not mean a broken ankle is a disease.
I guess it would get into how you define "mental disease" and what that label connotes.
The next question would be how far do we go in insuring that all people have similar chemical makeups.
In any distribution it is normal to have deviation from the norm, so in that sense, the deviation is perfectly normal.
The defining question boils down to, are we going to alter your mind to fit your body, or alter your body to fit your mind? And who gets to decide.

Another analogy would be a morbidly obese person who says "I know you see a morbidly obese person because that is obviously what I am on the outside, based on appearance, but I truly know there is a thin person inside dying to get out and be seen. I'm going to live a miserable existence if I don't get help."

A person who is chemically different from the norm isn't necessarily delusional.
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I have never once mentioned any idea of making sex change surgeries against the law, but I could see an argument for it if it is deemed to be mutilation.

The question really centers on whether they are deluded or not, and whether society should be forced to conform to their delusion. I'm not sure why you would change the scope of those questions.

It is nothing new for me to see a very effeminate man in society consider them an effeminate man. I even disagree with anyone that would think them less masculine in comparison to others. That's not the question. The question is why you and others decided for political reasons to enforce individual feelings that are decoupled from reality on society at large. What's so special about penises, vaginas, DNA and chromosomes that they are less real than feelings of gender, when a person's identity (King of England), weight (anorexia) and innumerable other bits of reality are seen as reality, and we try to align the sick person's perception with reality as opposed to aligning reality to delusion through social enforcement and bodily mutilation?
 
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PointGuard said:
I’ll bet So many people are comforted who might otherwise feel in their brain that they exited the birth canal in the wrong gender body knowing there are people like you who know what’s better for them than they do
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Or nobody cares. I’m sure I’m not the only person who doesn’t care if someone is homosexual or has gender dysphoria. I don’t care how they find happiness. I will however not accept it as some sort of normalcy nor will I alter my pronouns or recognize a made up gender “spectrum”. I can accept that they have a mental illness and deserve to be happy. They can’t accept I won’t recognize their “lifestyle” as normal.
 
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C-south said:
Or nobody cares. I’m sure I’m not the only person who doesn’t care if someone is homosexual or has gender dysphoria. I don’t care how they find happiness. I will however not accept it as some sort of normalcy nor will I alter my pronouns or recognize a made up gender “spectrum”. I can accept that they have a mental illness and deserve to be happy. They can’t accept I won’t recognize their “lifestyle” as normal.
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And that attitude is just one of those that classifies you as a Rightie. And true to form you know they are not living a normal lifestyle and that what “plagues” them is a mental illness

Please report back if one of your children or grandchildren hooks up with a same sex partner or OMG then seeks a gender change to feel “normal for them”
 
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PointGuard said:
And that attitude is just one of those that classifies you as a Rightie. And true to form you know they are not living a normal lifestyle and that what “plagues” them is a mental illness

Please report back if one of your children or grandchildren hooks up with a same sex partner or OMG then seeks a gender change to feel “normal for them”
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Obviously I would be disappointed.
 
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PointGuard said:
And that attitude is just one of those that classifies you as a Rightie. And true to form you know they are not living a normal lifestyle and that what “plagues” them is a mental illness

Please report back if one of your children or grandchildren hooks up with a same sex partner or OMG then seeks a gender change to feel “normal for them”
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That is a major mental illness scenario.
 
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PointGuard said:
Or, it could be a chance for personal growth in learning what is right/normal for you is not necessarily what is right/normal for your children or grandchildren
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Or I could be disappointed and just accept they have issues I’ll live with. There’s nothing normal about 2 guys going at it or a dude that thinks they are a woman mentally. Vice versa for women. Maybe it’s time that the ones with the mental issues have some “personal growth” and respect that not everyone has to accept their lifestyle as normal and people can have those views while at the same time being accepting and tolerant.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Y-chromosome, man.
No Y-chromosome, woman.
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Together with a little extry this and a little shortage of that and you have somewhere between 10 and 20% of our populations Mostly Dems as compassionate people who know how to share empathy and compassion live their life in the open with acceptance from family and TRUE friends while most Republicans live in the closet or get arrested for tapping on rest room floors at interstate rest areas because they know their GOP family and friends will be unaccepting because their bigoted minds prevent them from understanding this, too, is God’s work and not a matter of choice
🙂
 
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C-south said:
Or I could be disappointed and just accept they have issues I’ll live with. There’s nothing normal about 2 guys going at it or a dude that thinks they are a woman mentally. Vice versa for women. Maybe it’s time that the ones with the mental issues have some “personal growth” and respect that not everyone has to accept their lifestyle as normal and people can have those views while at the same time being accepting and tolerant.
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I think all children and grandchildren would prefer to have the nonjudgmental love and respect especially from those not qualified to decide what is correct or incorrect for another human being. Does your God get pissed at those who try to play him/her
 
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tumscalcium said:
That is a major mental illness scenario.
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I get it that you believe that. That is unfortunate for anyone close to you who may be LBGT. Take an inventory of your family and friends over a couple generations. It is said s minimum of 10% are gay. How many would open up to you given your attitude?
 
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PointGuard said:
I think all children and grandchildren would prefer to have the nonjudgmental love and respect especially from those not qualified to decide what is correct or incorrect for another human being. Does your God get pissed at those who try to play him/her
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Maybe your family will accept you some day. There is always hope.
 
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PointGuard said:
I think all children and grandchildren would prefer to have the nonjudgmental love and respect especially from those not qualified to decide what is correct or incorrect for another human being. Does your God get pissed at those who try to play him/her
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Does yours? Loving someone and being judgemental of them isn’t necessarily tied together. Would loving my child/grandchild and fearing for their everlasting soul be a judgemental thing of me? If I were an atheist my views would still be the same fwiw.
 
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C-south said:
Does yours? Loving someone and being judgemental of them isn’t necessarily tied together. Would loving my child/grandchild and fearing for their everlasting soul be a judgemental thing of me? If I were an atheist my views would still be the same fwiw.
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Unfortunately you imputed your judge mental view by classifying their view of what would be right for them if they were gay as not being normal in your view

Approaching this from another perspective, do you really think if one of your children or grandchildren was gay and knowing your attitude as I am sure they will, would risk alienating you If they had no choice about how they felt “normal” to them as opposed to your definition of normal
 
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PointGuard said:
I get it that you believe that. That is unfortunate for anyone close to you who may be LBGT. Take an inventory of your family and friends over a couple generations. It is said s minimum of 10% are gay. How many would open up to you given your attitude?
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Trans =/= LGB. Just T.

10% gay? Less than that.

I have a gay cousin who got married last summer. He’s great and no one has a problem with them. You’re weird.
 
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