Any chance on Nunes?

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#26
Reaves was a recruiter, you think Spurrier really let someone coach the QBs besides him? QBs are his love. Too bad when he came to USCe QBs also became his "white whale".
 
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You have no idea what you are talking about, even when it comes to your own team.
 
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no way... dont want a guy who got going when the going got tough.. not to mention he left for Stanford!!! haha have fun in California hippie.
 
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ihateorange4 said:
He is a QB coach.
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Randy Sanders, Lane Kiffin, and hordes of other guys have been called that at one point in their careers. They've also coached plenty of other positions extremely well. I'm sure Reaves can be reassigned if Lane deems it helpful.
 
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I've seen Boyd in person, and he is as good as they say. He's also bigger than one of those sites lists him at. He is every bit of 6'1" and 200-210 lbs.

What makes Boyd have so much more potential is that he's more Terrell Pryor. He's a pocket passer who happens to be fast. He may not be Peter Warrick-Vince Young fast, but he is quick.
 
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perico said:
I've seen Boyd in person, and he is as good as they say. He's also bigger than one of those sites lists him at. He is every bit of 6'1" and 200-210 lbs.

What makes Boyd have so much more potential is that he's more Terrell Pryor. He's a pocket passer who happens to be fast. He may not be Peter Warrick-Vince Young fast, but he is quick.
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I love that combination. Pocket minded with the ability to burn when needed.
 
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Yeah. It's exactly the right combo for the play action set up offense that we heard Kiffin favors.

It's actually why I got so pissed at one comment earlier today, when someone said they'd rather have the USC kid because he was a "pocket passer". It wasalmost a racist comment, since the only thing he obviously knew about Boyd was that he wasn't white.
 
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Wow - Ihateorange with another ignorant statement trying to pretend Reaves had most of the responsibility with QB coaching - whats new?
 
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perico said:
Yeah. It's exactly the right combo for the play action set up offense that we heard Kiffin favors.

It's actually why I got so pissed at one comment earlier today, when someone said they'd rather have the USC kid because he was a "pocket passer". It wasalmost a racist comment, since the only thing he obviously knew about Boyd was that he wasn't white.
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Well to be honest, it's about normal and to be fair, I think everyone would take the bonafide #1 recruit over the #5 or 6 QB

but I mean, how many good black pocket passers are there at high levels?

How many white burner WR's are there?

Are there even any white CBs?

It's just one of the things in the game that a bunch of people take as common knowledge, even if it isn't always accurate.
 
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Until the last 10 years, how many good black quarterbacks have been given a chance at higher levels?

Today, you can look at Ohio State and Terrell Pryor Rohan Davey was excellent at LSU, and was a pocket passer first. Chris Leak was unbelievably successful at Florida, despite their tebowgasms. Hell, it's not like we didn't win a National Championship with one. Jason Campbell was All World his senior year, and is the best NFL qb this year out of all SEC qbs not named Manning. All of these guys are pocket passers who were also mobile.

Now, you got guys like Steve McNair (retired), Donovan McNabb, Jason Campbell. All of whom are winners at the top level. Most of them can throw with the best.

Think about it... When we recruited Tee Martin, he was Phil's and Cutcliffe's second choice. Now, would you have rather had his first choice that year? The #1 rated quarterback in the country... Tim Couch. Thank God he chose Kentucky and not Tennessee and we got Martin.
 
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Why does this matter all that much? I realize stereotypes exist but they are less and less relavent. I think stereotypes are just a result of coincidental tendencies rather than lack of opportunities for individuals.
 
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Stereotypes aren't due to coincidence at all. They're not always correct but they're more than likely based on a fact.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Stereotypes aren't due to coincidence at all. They're not always correct but they're more than likely based on a fact.
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Not anymore, there are lots of black QB's at every level. That is no longer a white dominant possition. As far as black CBs, I think it is a coincidental TENDENCY. Assuming you are just talking about football. Just about all other possitions on the field are close to even as far as ethnicity(white and black).
 
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OHvol40 said:
Not anymore, there are lots of black QB's at every level. That is no longer a white dominant possition. As far as black CBs, I think it is a coincidental TENDENCY. Assuming you are just talking about football. Just about all other possitions on the field are close to even as far as ethnicity(white and black).
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I wasn't really addressing a specific stereotype... obviously that one is changing but it still has quite the numbers to back it up.

No they aren't. Center are QB are the only predominantly white positions for professional football. Guard and TE are the only fairly equal black/white positions.

Tackles, defensive ends, corners, defensive linemen, linebackers, safeties, running backs, and wide receivers are all predominantly black and most by a wide margin. About 80-98% black on all but the tackles.

Tackles are about 40% white 60% black. Centers around 75% white. QBs close to 85ish% white... these aren't exactly up to date numbers though. Comes out to about 70% black players in the NFL.
 
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Very true on your statistics. One does have to take notice that until Doug Williams broke through, you just didn't have black kids getting the opportunity to play quarterback on a semi-regular basis. And it was another ten years before they started to be given the chance with any regularity. Sure, you occasionally had a Randall Cunningham or Rodney Peete, but it was rare because they really weren't given a fair shake. The NFL is still a different game than the college one, and it has taken them longer to accept it.

Ironically, Tenn was the first in the SEC to have a black quarterback, and we shortly followed him with Straeter. Turns out, they're two of the all time greats. While Straeter may not have been suited to play in the NFL. It would've been nice to see a player like Holloway, who is now considered one of the greatest to ever play in the CFL and a Hall of famer, get a chance in the NFL. THAT was racism.
 
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Not going to get into racism and stereotypes but I will take Boyd over Nunes. Not only in ability but Boyd seems to want to be a Vol.
 
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LBs and DEs are not equal? I dont' believe that.

Anyways, all those numbers are great but I never said there weren't color descrepencies at certain positions. There is no evidence why those numbers are the way they are. I maintain coincidental tendencies.

The best explination is that white and black kids tend to aspire to different possisions when they are young. That probably corrilates with those kids following thier childhood idols that played that same position. But now NFL qb stats are skewed because so many college QBs go into the league and play different possitions based on thier skill set. There are a tremendous amount of black qbs being recruited to college now-a-days. Give it time, the ethnic gaps at positions are being shortened (except any kicking position).
 
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theutvolunteers said:
Not going to get into racism and stereotypes but I will take Boyd over Nunes. Not only in ability but Boyd seems to want to be a Vol.
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Totally agree, Boyd WANTS to be a vol. That is the operative word. I want him to sprint to the endzone to celebrate and sing rocky top after a big play rather than walk to the sideline seemingly unphased. Passion is huge.
 
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perico said:
Ironically, Tenn was the first in the SEC to have a black quarterback, and we shortly followed him with Straeter. Turns out, they're two of the all time greats. While Straeter may not have been suited to play in the NFL. It would've been nice to see a player like Holloway, who is now considered one of the greatest to ever play in the CFL and a Hall of famer, get a chance in the NFL. THAT was racism.
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I don't really recall the specifics of Holloway's NFL chances, but I do know he was drafted. His career overlapped with Warren Moon's and Warren manage to find a place in the NFL (albeit near the end of Condredge's career).
 
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OHvol40 said:
LBs and DEs are not equal? I dont' believe that.

Anyways, all those numbers are great but I never said there weren't color descrepencies at certain positions. There is no evidence why those numbers are the way they are. I maintain coincidental tendencies.

The best explination is that white and black kids tend to aspire to different possisions when they are young. That probably corrilates with those kids following thier childhood idols that played that same position. But now NFL qb stats are skewed because so many college QBs go into the league and play different possitions based on thier skill set. There are a tremendous amount of black qbs being recruited to college now-a-days. Give it time, the ethnic gaps at positions are being shortened (except any kicking position).
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I said I wouldn't but.......... I like that thought. I have no evidence for the above thought to be true, but there seem to be more black QBS than in not so recent past. And white players at skill positions, Shipley at Texas seems to be doing excellent.
 
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