Anyone agree? (Bama’s coach)

[fossilfiction]

I don’t think they will. They have too much talent as it is and that coach has won wherever he has gone. He had almost an immediate impact on the Huskies, and it’s not like this is a rebuilding job. We shall see. I do think Lane would have continued Saban’s legacy. Unfortunately, now we have another power coach in the SEC.

I don't care how good he is. He is a downgrade from what they had. The only way they don't have a decline from where the program is, is if he can match Saban's output. I really don't think he can.

 

[temptn]

I do not agree. They guy is an offensive wizard and has dominated everywhere hes been. If he can make the right defensive hire and hang on to some talent, he’s gonna be a really good hire imo.

Yeah that Sioux Falls HC job, where he has spent most of his time, proves he is an offensive wizard.

 

[Remy]

He didn't walk into a program at Washington that needed rebuilding. It was already a pretty good program.

Correct. He won with somebody else's recruits. His personal recruiting for those 2 years at P5 UW produced classes outside the top 25 both years. That's hardly an endorsement for success at Bama, his personal ability to recruit at high levels is VERY much in question.

 

[BoscoVol]

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[Mccage]

Remember, Saban still has 100% access to the program. So, he's not really retired.

I think this will bite their ass!!

 

[volbound1700]

I think most would be pumped if we were coming off of firing Botch Jones, Precious or Tater Head...to hire a coach that just played in the NC game. Doesn't mean a thing towards whether he'd succeed here, but I think spirits would be up.

Yeah, I would have been pumped for him as an option at Tennessee.

 

[Hacksaw]

I don’t get how TN fans wouldn’t be excited to get a coach that turned around a team from 4-8 to NC game in two years?

I get it at Bama coming off Saban. No one was going to be good enough. It’s funny that this guy was the 2nd pick but he beat the first pick twice this season.

See my previous post for more detail, but short answer: quality of competition in previous success and small sample size (only two seasons at each of his two previous stops). Just not enough there to be super confident about.

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

I must have missed where Harsin took a team to the national championship game.

They both came from schools in the PNW to schools in Alabama. That’s about where the similarities end. The Gumps may well take a step back: there’s really no way to go but down when you follow a legend (ask Coach Holly and Coach Harper), but Deboer is a good hire. Whether it works out remains to be seen.

Holly, yes, Harper, no. She’s in way over her head, whereas Holly was a hire made to please the masses—and in hopes greatness rubbed off, which if obviously didn’t.

 

[Hacksaw]

He didn't walk into a program at Washington that needed rebuilding. It was already a pretty good program.

Yeah, Chris Petersen had them in a pretty good place prior to the covid mess. Of course, he's about to take charge of the most successful program in existence, so that should work in his favor, too.

 

['Boro-vol]

I think your view is where we put our hope. I do not agree with OP that DeBoer is the next Harsin. DeBoer was more accomplished in his first HC gig than Harsin has been in entire career. The man knows how to coach and put a good product on the field.
If the internal pressure,, the fan expectations, the culture of Tusc, etc, following a legend are the downfall, it will be very fortunate for us.

I don’t disagree, and I don’t intend to question the quality of coach that DeBoer is. His record is stellar, though limited at this level.

My real contention is that the SEC meatgrinder, especially with the new 8 game schedule will be something new to him. Couple that with his “outsider” status, and the unreasonable expectations of the typical sidewalk Gump fan….and it may get real ugly, real quick in T-Town.

This is a recipe, IMO, for a quick fall from grace and a situation that we know is hard to rebound from quickly. Fulmer was nowhere near the coach of Nick Saban, and how long has it taken to get someone that even favorably compares?

 

[volfanstuckinga]

I couldn’t help but notice how tough Bama’s schedule is next year. Probably toughest schedule Bama has seen in a long time.

Not as tough as UGA's....and for that I am even happier

 

[VolJarhead]

Let's be honest. He is a good hire and would be near the top of anyone's coaching search list.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

I tried to imagine if this was a Tennessee hire how I would feel. I honestly don't think I would be very excited. I guess only time will tell.

Yeah you would. You just can’t see it through your orange glasses. We never came anywhere close during our fiasco to making a hire this good……on paper. How it works out, who knows? Hard to follow someone like saban.

 

[Hank Bukowski]

I tried to imagine if this was a Tennessee hire how I would feel. I honestly don't think I would be very excited. I guess only time will tell.

I think that’s the way a lot of us felt when we hired Coach Heupel.

 

[LAVol1]

I must have missed where Harsin took a team to the national championship game.

They both came from schools in the PNW to schools in Alabama. That’s about where the similarities end. The Gumps may well take a step back: there’s really no way to go but down when you follow a legend (ask Coach Holly and Coach Harper), but Deboer is a good hire. Whether it works out remains to be seen.

After Bill Curry won 10 games and a share of the SEC Championship, some fan threw a brick through his office window and they fired him. Curry's sin: failed to beat AU. What do you think happens if Bama loses to AU or doesn't make the 12 team playoff within DeBoer's first couple of years? He gone!

 

[cgrish]

Remember, Saban still has 100% access to the program. So, he's not really retired.

I noticed that, he still has an office. I dont jnow how I would feel anout that as a new hc

 

[Vol865]

He doesn't have to be terrible. Obviously that's a bonus but even if he's average they'll want him out in 3 years. That's when you hope they make an even worse hire. And then the cycle repeats.

 

[thunder5]

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I sure hope so…they’ve earned it

 

[2EastTnVols]

The only way that fan base will be happy is if they lose 1 or zero games next season. Based on the current players and commits jumping ship, combined with a brutal schedule, that ain't happening.

 

[hardyemt_p]

For

I think this will bite their ass!!

For sure, nothing like not moving on for the GOAT to ruin the current team

 

[chattavol420]

im worried it was a good hire

I think there is no good situation right now. I honest to God believe they are going to fumble and bumble along over the next 10 years etc. How many programs have gotten on top and stayed on top and recent years? Georgia and Bama are the only ones I could name and obviously Bama is now going to go through a major upheaval. They likely have a bigger task ahead than Tennessee did when hypo came in. I think they have lost 35 players from this season’s roster? And essentially have no recruiting class for 2025 now. But I’d add to that this is the most spoiled/unrealistic fan based in cfb because of what they’ve been accomplished of the last 15 years. DeBore would have done a spectacular job if they average nine wins per year over the next three years. But that won’t come close to appeasing the bammers. I’d expect him to be shown the dire based off those results.

It’s going to take time for even rival fans to recognize that they aren’t going to benefit moving forward just based of past success. Had sin given them a year or two notice… He could’ve had a great coordinator lined up to replace him and made it known that he would be stepping down the following year or whatever. That would have prevented the shock effect and helped keep the roster and incoming recruits stabilized.

 

[Hacksaw]

Yeah you would. You just can’t see it through your orange glasses. We never came anywhere close during our fiasco to making a hire this good……on paper. How it works out, who knows? Hard to follow someone like saban.

I try to be objective. If I thought this was a great hire I would say so. From what I understand, a lot of Bama fans have the same feelings. And they certainly couldn't be accused of having orange glasses.

 

[wmcovol]

Harsin had a deeper resume than Deboer but I think Deboer is a better offensive coach.

 

[Orange931]

He’s not Saban and Heup took Saban down in Year 2. I’m ok with whatever hire they make.

 

[Kylo]

He's a really good coach that they will run outta town for not being Saban. Good for them. He'll be successful elsewhere and they'll hire their Derek Dooley.