Anyone know 100% who is coming back?

[Volfan2012]

If Harper comes back I'm 100% confident i wont be LOL.....save the negative comments ive always been and always will be a LVFL !

I'll wait to give an answer. If this same roster without any huge upgrades probably be time to check out for a while. If we get some upgrades I can hang in there and see how it plays out. Of course a new coach you probably will see that right away since portal is where you can get it done.

 

[Coach Jumper]

I'll wait to give an answer. If this same roster without any huge upgrades probably be time to check out for a while. If we get some upgrades I can hang in there and see how it plays out. Of course a new coach you probably will see that right away since portal is where you can get it done.

when I think of the portal filling out the majority of your team's roster,,,I think of it in the same way as shooting threes...."live by it, die by it"

re three's
they are a weapon,,,not THE weapon...they should account for about 20-25% of your attempts (mid-range about 30-35% and drives/FB's about 35-40%)

Same with the portal...HS recruits should make up about 60-70% and portal 30-40%
This is my opinion,,,for what its worth

 

[Volfan2012]

when I think of the portal filling out the majority of your team's roster,,,I think of it in the same way as shooting threes...."live by it, die by it"

re three's
they are a weapon,,,not THE weapon...they should account for about 20-25% of your attempts (mid-range about 30-35% and drives/FB's about 35-40%)

Same with the portal...HS recruits should make up about 60-70% and portal 30-40%
This is my opinion,,,for what its worth

We could've done better last year evidently we either didn't go after those players or they didn't want to come here. All of the ones I am talking about have contributed bigtime to their teams. We've had minor contributions really out of this second portal class. The first one was elite at least one player has been with another still a possibility and the last one average and is graduating. Of course high school but with 2024 a bust now you have to do the best you can in the portal. Major needs find exceptional point guard and two quality post players. Then you can move Jill to a wing along with Cooper and see what goes down.

 

[Coach Jumper]

We could've done better last year evidently we either didn't go after those players or they didn't want to come here. All of the ones I am talking about have contributed bigtime to their teams. We've had minor contributions really out of this second portal class. The first one was elite at least one player has been with another still a possibility and the last one average and is graduating. Of course high school but with 2024 a bust now you have to do the best you can in the portal. Major needs find exceptional point guard and two quality post players. Then you can move Jill to a wing along with Cooper and see what goes down.

The undeniable truth is we are playing this year as have we for several years,,,with a 40-60 mix of P5 players and "upper echelon non-P5 players" ... To keep up with the front-runners, both nationally and in the SEC,,,and to actually BE a front-runner, we need to be able to go to the bench and put in P5 caliber athletes/skilled players to go 8-9 deep before we get to non-P5 level players...And right now, just as in the past few years,,,this just ain't happenin'

And more importantly we have to have someone in the coaching mix who is not in awe of ANY ONE of those players. A person in the mix who can take the best of them,,,and still not only make them better,,but inspire them to want to continue to grow.

This is the factor that has taken Dalton Knecht to the level he is hitting...As good as he is, he still shoots 5000 shots a week,,,in preparation for maybe 25-30 shots in a game. That is the level of dedication it takes. MJ, Larry, Magic,,,they all did this. Larry shot over 90% foulshots and still ended his daily routine with 200 foul shots

 

[mudcat1973]

She will probably be back if she wants to come back. A new coach might see that differently we don't know yet. What you need to understand is that players only get a four year guaranteed scholarship so any other seasons has to be honored by the coach. It is not up to the player. This would hold true for Jewell as well or any player that has played four years already that a coach didn't want to bring back. The years that have to be honored are four. Used to be just one, but the NCAA changed that to four. So Jill, Sarah, Kaiya, Karoline, Ace, Talaysia, and Boyd can come back if they wanted to regardless of what the coach said. Tamari, Tess, Jewell have to be invited back cause they have four years in. Destinee because of injury is also on the list of players that haven't played four years.


So to calm you down a bit if Kellie is back as coach I would expect they would all be free to comeback. If we have a new coach it is all up in the air what will happen with four year seniors. It will be the new coaches decision on them and 100 percent their decision. Most of it will depend who the coach is if they are bringing any players with them or high school recruits or what portal players they are trying to get. The scholarships stand at four right now. So if they want to bring with them or find more than four you see where four year seniors would be where they would have to go to get the scholarships. If it is Kellie expect she will use the four scholarships for portal players and let everyone of the others that want to come back.

For the record don't think of you as one of the mean spirited posters about Tess Darby like some of the Other posters not naming names .

 

[Volfan2012]

The undeniable truth is we are playing this year as have we for several years,,,with a 40-60 mix of P5 players and "upper echelon non-P5 players" ... To keep up with the front-runners, both nationally and in the SEC,,,and to actually BE a front-runner, we need to be able to go to the bench and put in P5 caliber athletes/skilled players to go 8-9 deep before we get to non-P5 level players...And right now, just as in the past few years,,,this just ain't happenin'

And more importantly we have to have someone in the coaching mix who is not in awe of ANY ONE of those players. A person in the mix who can take the best of them,,,and still not only make them better,,but inspire them to want to continue to grow.

This is the factor that has taken Dalton Knecht to the level he is hitting...As good as he is, he still shoots 5000 shots a week,,,in preparation for maybe 25-30 shots in a game. That is the level of dedication it takes. MJ, Larry, Magic,,,they all did this. Larry shot over 90% foulshots and still ended his daily routine with 200 foul shots

True we are, but you add a post player like Brink or Betts or even one of a little lower quality and a point guard on a higher level than Walker of Powell and everything changes. Those two positions are so important to a teams success. Rickea having to play without a top post player has been a lot of the problem. We even saw this season what happened to Stanford when Brink could not play and UCLA when Betts could not play both teams lost to some teams they wouldn't have if they could play.

 

[Volfan2012]

For the record don't think of you as one of the mean spirited posters about Tess Darby like some of the Other posters not naming names .

No not against her at all, but I know what can happen with a coaching change have seen it happen a lot of times before. Under the rules four years is a scholarship not five. Kellie will honor it we have to wait and see what happens if she is not here.

 

[Coach Jumper]

True we are, but you add a post player like Brink or Betts or even one of a little lower quality and a point guard on a higher level than Walker of Powell and everything changes. Those two positions are so important to a teams success. Rickea having to play without a top post player has been a lot of the problem. We even saw this season what happened to Stanford when Brink could not play and UCLA when Betts could not play both teams lost to some teams they wouldn't have if they could play.

the difficulty I have is how little the post players here improve...Take Jillian for instance,,,yes she is a 6'5" guard,,,but give her a true jumphook that is in proper form and with her athleticism she would be an impossible matchup...In proper form I mean
using one hand throughout the process,,,pickup-rise to point of release-and release from the peak of her extension

If she did this properly, her release point would be above the rim, making it nearly impossible for ANYONE in the WCBB to block

 

[Volfan2012]

the difficulty I have is how little the post players here improve...Take Jillian for instance,,,yes she is a 6'5" guard,,,but give her a true jumphook that is in proper form and with her athleticism she would be an impossible matchup...In proper form I mean
using one hand throughout the process,,,pickup-rise to point of release-and release from the peak of her extension

If she did this properly, her release point would be above the rim, making it nearly impossible for ANYONE in the WCBB to block

I don't really think Jill is a post player more of a stretch four. Karoline would be a good post on offense if she could play defense. Tamari's big setback ruined what I think would've been an outstanding year. In the portal we should be looking for post players and try to groom Jill to play to some extent the RJ role. Not as a total replacement, but I think she is a better rebounder and if she could score 10 to 15 a game would take up some of the slack. We should be trying to get a strong defensive point guard that can distribute and score a little more consistently than Powell. We need to use all four scholarships cause we have no high school recruits. If Kellie returns she has to put together a much better roster than what we had this season. If she is gone we'll see who we have left and the plan the new coach has to build the new roster. We may need a change the current coaches have been ineffective in building a roster that can compete at the highest level in the SEC. Will be interesting to see what the AD decides to go with Lady Vol basketball.

 

[Coach Jumper]

I don't really think Jill is a post player more of a stretch four. Karoline would be a good post on offense if she could play defense. Tamari's big setback ruined what I think would've been an outstanding year. In the portal we should be looking for post players and try to groom Jill to play to some extent the RJ role. Not as a total replacement, but I think she is a better rebounder and if she could score 10 to 15 a game would take up some of the slack. We should be trying to get a strong defensive point guard that can distribute and score a little more consistently than Powell. We need to use all four scholarships cause we have no high school recruits. If Kellie returns she has to put together a much better roster than what we had this season. If she is gone we'll see who we have left and the plan the new coach has to build the new roster. We may need a change the current coaches have been ineffective in building a roster that can compete at the highest level in the SEC. Will be interesting to see what the AD decides to go with Lady Vol basketball.

agree with everything you wrote

 

[Lucy]

Hope that poster ok
Not trying to stir the pot but there was a post about Tess Darby parents.
Proves my point their alot of Tess Darby hater's on here. It goes back to December 2021 it's still going on.
Telling it like I see it.

Think you have that backwards.

 

[mudcat1973]

Think you have that backwards.

What do have back wards they have been alot posts about Tess Darby
And just was clearing air about.
And I didn't make a post where someone brought her parents in it.
Any honest person would agree Tess gets more than her fair of bull waste from posters.

 

[Lucy]

Still think she might come back even if Kellie gets her millions dollars buy out depending on how there hire someone with honor .
We don't know if they be a coaching change after this Season
It Should be up to Tess if she's wants to come back.

Anyway tfrom interview I'm be surprised if she didn't come back if Kellie stays

This whole conversation seems crazy to me.
100% Kellie is our coach next year and for the future barring some infraction or moral issue.
100% she would welcome Tess for a 5th year.
100% if Tess wants to play another year it will be as a Lady Vol.
100% some posters get on Tess unfairly but I think it’s because they wish her foot speed was as good as her head and heart. It has nothing to do with her parent’s political views which honestly, Tess may or may not share.
Geez, what a freaking rabbit hole!

 

[Lucy]

What do have back wards they have been alot posts about Tess Darby
And just was clearing air about.
And I didn't make a post where someone brought her parents in it.
Any honest person would agree Tess gets more than her fair of bull waste from posters.

I do think Tess does not get the credit she deserves but I generally see political hate go the other direction.

 

[mudcat1973]

This whole conversation seems crazy to me.
100% Kellie is our coach next year and for the future barring some infraction or moral issue.
100% she would welcome Tess for a 5th year.
100% if Tess wants to play another year it will be as a Lady Vol.
100% some posters get on Tess unfairly but I think it’s because they wish her foot speed was as good as her head and heart. It has nothing to do with her parent’s political views which honestly, Tess may or may not share.
Geez, what a freaking rabbit hole!

Sorry Lucy majors was saying a new coach would run her off he wasn't the only one

 

[Lucy]

Sorry Lucy majors was saying a new coach would run her off he wasn't the only one

Ahhh, now I see. I have him blocked so I missed that comment.
Tess is a great kid. Any program would be lucky to have her. She will never be the quickest but she’s the one talking her teammates up.

 

[mudcat1973]

I do think Tess does not get the credit she deserves but I generally see political hate go the other direction.

Majors and others said players should not read or there family member read posts on here.
But posters should leave players family out of the debate when they are not getting.in the debate.
Wasn't trying to bring political views but got piss and went back to December 2021 brought up the one post that bugged me most about people talking about Tess Darby and politics was in that one post about her parents
Like I said that poster was mostly talking about COVID-19 and would Tennessee miss a game.
All their other posts was about basketball
Don't have a problem with that poster.
Sorry for thinking you where saying Tess Darby should not stay if there's a new coach.

Far as hate I was meaning Tess Darby dislikers
Wasn't getting into what side hates the other left or right
Red or blue
Again sorry for thinking you was taking Tess Darby should go side.

 

[mudcat1973]

This whole conversation seems crazy to me.
100% Kellie is our coach next year and for the future barring some infraction or moral issue.
100% she would welcome Tess for a 5th year.
100% if Tess wants to play another year it will be as a Lady Vol.
100% some posters get on Tess unfairly but I think it’s because they wish her foot speed was as good as her head and heart. It has nothing to do with her parent’s political views which honestly, Tess may or may not share.
Geez, what a freaking rabbit hole!

@Majors didn't start this he said something to. But this thread turn into posters saying stuff about Tess Darby and deciding whether she should get on with her life and picking a new school if she took a COVID-19 year they were way worst posts than @Majors I was just responding to this post where you have him block.

 

[Majors]

Sorry Lucy majors was saying a new coach would run her off he wasn't the only one

Where did I say that? If you’re going to quote me, get it right. Pretty sure I said, Kellie may need to have tough conversations.

 

[Majors]

Ahhh, now I see. I have him blocked so I missed that comment.
Tess is a great kid. Any program would be lucky to have her. She will never be the quickest but she’s the one talking her teammates up.

And once again you would have learned something.

 

[mudcat1973]

Where did I say that? If you’re going to quote me, get it right. Pretty sure I said, Kellie may need to have tough conversations.

YoU DIDN'T

 

[mudcat1973]

And once again you would have learned something.

I Was Just telling Lucy others were saying things about Tess Darby she thought you started this all you said they be right. About her playing they where way worst posters about Tess Darby you kept to playing on the court
@Majors didn't mean to miss quote you

 

[Majors]

I Was Just telling Lucy others were saying things about Tess Darby she thought you started this all you said they be right.

When you specifically tag me multiple times and say Majors said…you’re misquoting me. I’m pretty secure in where I stand and what I say. That wasn’t said.

 

[Majors]

YoU DIDN'T

Hard conversations as a “leader” need to be had with older players.

For your education purposes only

 

[mudcat1973]

For your education purposes only

I would not even brought you into it but I was mostly wanting to get said you didn't start this Tess Darby should move on bull but where you where block Lucy didn't understand my posts