Anyone other than Butch Jones

#127
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VKAman said:
I:

1. Quoted your post
2. Used your exact wording
3. Put said wording in quotes in case you were really that stupid.

You missed all three.

And speaking of repositioning, you've responded to that fact by talking about my football career, my video game habits, Central Michigan, my incredible Google skills (since it apparently takes a beautiful mind to remember that Jones was hired in the same offseason as Dooley), my sexual preferences, and my apparent love for all things Louisville.

What's next? You can pull out more random topics if you want, but now that you've figured out how to use the Internet, I'd suggest looking up Louisville's 2009 season so you can finally answer my question.
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1) You picked and chose phrases out of my post and lined them up with your comments outside of the flow of the conversation, thus repositioning.

2) See #1, not real hard to follow seeing as though you are claiming you are using common sense.

3)Again See #1, Funny you refer to me as stupid and I could probably work circles around you in real life and if this was a verbal exchange I'd have you probably trying to fight me before you realized that wouldn't work for you either.

Difference is pal, I don't sit around and proofread, google search, etc so I can gain e-cred points. I go off of memory, and yes between having several drinks in my lifetime, shots to the head, and the fact I'm more concerned about remembering things that actually matter, like my career, a couple of things get lost in the shuffle.

Also good job summing up my take on you. I couldn't have done a better job myself and truth is it's probably all true. I just a wimpy trouble maker that gets his rocks off on coming to an anonymous internet message board and relishes his role as an antagonist. The Central Michigan information is what I call more facts to support my opinion. Unlike you who randomly shout out records, other teams not even being discussed, and other nonsensical topics so you can feel that void in your life that is probably live human interaction.

I'm done with this thread, so I'll let you and the other knuckle dragging, slack jawed, mouth breather babble on incessantly how based on nothing but your guts that there is 25-30 coaches who would have been better picks than Butch Jones.
 
#128
#128
UGADawg4Life said:
Let me ask you a legit question (not trolling). If Oregon beats UT say 28-3, will your opinion change or will you have a "wait and see" attitude?
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Wait and see. A road game against a top 5 team in week 3 will be a tall task. I want to see improve from week-to-week, and I want us to be fun to watch.
 
#129
#129
VKAman said:
I don't give two sh*ts about Louisville. I'm just not sitting here saying we have the best coach on Earth because he managed to take the #1 team from the year before in the Big East and finish tied for first a couple of times.
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fyp
 
#132
#132
sanddune50 said:
How about this. Instead of making the claim that I'm a 'clown' and using the true sign of a defeated poster(grammar smack)
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The true sign of a defeated poster is "hey, you and someone else are both making me look stupid, but I bet you like to do him in the butt." No?
 
#134
#134
sanddune50 said:
Difference is pal, I don't sit around and proofread, google search, etc so I can gain e-cred points. I go off of memory, and yes between having several drinks in my lifetime, shots to the head, and the fact I'm more concerned about remembering things that actually matter, like my career, a couple of things get lost in the shuffle.
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Wow, what a gigantic mental undertaking. Considering all those important things that you and no one else in the world has to worry about, I should congratulate you on remembering how to tie your shoes.

Unlike you who randomly shout out records, other teams not even being discussed,
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You mean like Central Michigan?

and other nonsensical topics
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You mean like the rest of that sentence? Or everything I just got done listing?

Funny you refer to me as stupid and I could probably work circles around you in real life and if this was a verbal exchange I'd have you probably trying to fight me before you realized that wouldn't work for you either.
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I'd love to have this conversation in real life. Someone who manages to sound this stupid with spell check at their fingertips probably makes the GEICO caveman look like Stephen Hawking.
 
#135
#135
The point I'm making, which apparently would take sanddune approximately 6 more months to understand, is that while Jones appears to be a very good recruiter, there's absolutely no evidence that he can bring a team up from the bottom, make a BCS bowl, or beat an actual good team. Strong has done all three of those things, and there are plenty of coaches around the nation who have as well. I hope Jones is an excellent coach, but pretending like he's the third-best coach in the nation until proven otherwise is ridiculous.
 
#136
#136
VKAman said:
The point I'm making, which apparently would take sanddune approximately 6 more months to understand, is that while Jones appears to be a very good recruiter, there's absolutely no evidence that he can bring a team up from the bottom, make a BCS bowl, or beat an actual good team. Strong has done all three of those things, and there are plenty of coaches around the nation who have as well. I hope Jones is an excellent coach, but pretending like he's the third-best coach in the nation until proven otherwise is ridiculous.
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Put down the pipe bro. You're getting a little carried away with the CBJ Bashing.
 
#138
#138
VKAman said:
Because on VN, it's naturally bashing to suggest he's not the best coach this side of Nick Saban.
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See! You can be taught...just like a good puppy dog!
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#139
#139
VKAman said:
The point I'm making, which apparently would take sanddune approximately 6 more months to understand, is that while Jones appears to be a very good recruiter, there's absolutely no evidence that he can bring a team up from the bottom, make a BCS bowl, or beat an actual good team. Strong has done all three of those things, and there are plenty of coaches around the nation who have as well. I hope Jones is an excellent coach, but pretending like he's the third-best coach in the nation until proven otherwise is ridiculous.
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The program has had so much negativity around it, little wonder SOME Vols fans look for anything positive about a program and team we love. It mystifies me that we have so-called fans who insist on continuing to post negatives. But I believe I have caught on to at least one motivation. Some folks are fishing for an "I told you so" moment. Much like a junkie seeking his/her next high.

Now, like many (I hope) I think we have the right coach to bring the UT back to where it belongs. Like many (I hope) I know CBJ has yet to prove he is a bona fide SEC coach who can hang with the big boys.
I don't think he has a magic wand for instant success so expect it will be a few years yet before we are at Bama and LSU level. BUT, I also look at his drive and suspect the UT is the chance he has long wanted to make a real name for himself. I also have a sneaking suspicion he sees the UT as a chance to become Nick Saban 2.0. It's an ego thing with CBJ. Right now he's the little engine that could who is at the beginning phase of his climb to apex of Rockytop. I think myself and many Vols fans have an attitude that can be found right here: Hebrews 11:1
 
#140
#140
VKAman said:
Because on VN, it's naturally bashing to suggest he's not the best coach this side of Nick Saban.
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No, you said there's absolutely no evidence he can bring a team up from the bottom, beat a good team or make a BCS bowl. I think winning 65% your games and winning a share of or your conference championship outright 4 out of 6 years is evidence that goes a long way toward suggesting he can do all of the above. Certainly not saying he's Saban, but a 6 year sample of winning teams, which includes multiple 10 win seasons playing against similar competition, is certainly "evidence" for me.

Saban surely "wasn't Saban" before he came to the SEC.
 
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#142
KBVol said:
No, you said there's absolutely no evidence he can bring a team up from the bottom, beat a good team or make a BCS bowl. I think winning 65% your games and winning a share of or your conference championship outright 4 out of 6 years is evidence that goes a long way toward suggesting he can do all of the above. Certainly not saying he's Saban, but a 6 year sample of winning teams, which includes multiple 10 win seasons playing against similar competition, is certainly "evidence" for me.

Saban surely "wasn't Saban" before he came to the SEC.
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He also won the Mac championship game 2 out of 3 years. They play a game for their title also. Butch is just as accomplished as his peers when they came to the SEC. In fact, he won a conference title as HC. Did Richt, Saban, Miles, Stoops, Franklin, or Muschamp win a championship before they went to the SEC?
 
#145
#145
Burger said:
He also won the Mac championship game 2 out of 3 years. They play a game for their title also. Butch is just as accomplished as his peers when they came to the SEC. In fact, he won a conference title as HC. Did Richt, Saban, Miles, Stoops, Franklin, or Muschamp win a championship before they went to the SEC?
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Burger's facts >VK's opinions IMHO.
 
#146
#146
notabed22 said:
Saban, Meyer, Petersen, Patterson, Miles, Strong, Tuberville, Swinney, Briles, Gundy, Brown, Holgorsen, Ferentz, Hoke, Pelini, Fitzgerald, O'Brien, Kelly, Shaw, Kiffin, Whittingham, Leach, Malzahnn, Muschamp, Richt, Freeze, Sumlin, Spurrier, Franklin...

I think that's it.

Oh, wait. Beamer.
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Please stop feeding the troll.
 
#147
#147
KBVol said:
No, you said there's absolutely no evidence he can bring a team up from the bottom, beat a good team or make a BCS bowl. I think winning 65% your games and winning a share of or your conference championship outright 4 out of 6 years is evidence that goes a long way toward suggesting he can do all of the above. Certainly not saying he's Saban, but a 6 year sample of winning teams, which includes multiple 10 win seasons playing against similar competition, is certainly "evidence" for me.

Saban surely "wasn't Saban" before he came to the SEC.
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It's not a subjective statement. There's no evidence he can do any of those things because he hasn't ever done them before. I didn't say there's evidence that he can't do it; he just hasn't ever had to take over a program coming off a down period like this. That's not an opinion.
 
#148
#148
Burger said:
He also won the Mac championship game 2 out of 3 years. They play a game for their title also. Butch is just as accomplished as his peers when they came to the SEC. In fact, he won a conference title as HC. Did Richt, Saban, Miles, Stoops, Franklin, or Muschamp win a championship before they went to the SEC?
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#149
#149
Vol4life25 said:
Lol half of those "Conference titles" are shared, at least one is shared with 4 teams.

And he went 4-8 his first year as a coach...at Cinci

Butch is better then Kiffin or Dooley, but I don't expect him to win a SEC championship while he is here...he will get us to 8-9 wins a year though.
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Why not?
 
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#150
#150
KBVol said:
Why not?
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I'm deleting what I said, I just find it funny that burger insults "Failmore" as he calls him, while bragging about Butch's past accomplishments.

Anyway, I hope Butch does well and wins SEC titles and NC.



Go vols!
 
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