Anyone other than Butch Jones

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CroKev said:
I might take Harbaugh (take your pick which one).

I kind of sneered when CBJ said he'd assemble the best coaching staff but I've had a change of tune. Instead of hiring up and coming and soon to be HC's, CBJ has a united staff that have been with hiim a long time and there appears to be great chemistry. CBJ is clearly the leader but this coaching staff seems to emphasize TEAMWORK amongst themselves as much they demand it from their players.

I'd like to see any of the 32 coaches mentioned by one poster do what CBJ has done so far. I may have agreed with him in December but now it's June. The guy has a great record following him and he's showing his recruiting abilities.
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There is a lot to be said for loyalty, cohesion and stability on the coaching staff, so long, of course, that you have excellent people in place. Although it was not immediately apparent, our offense took a serious hit after Cutcliffe left for Ole Miss, as did Florida State's after Mark Richt's departure. For staff members who are holdovers from Cincinnati, this is a huge opportunity, professionally and monetarily, so one can rest assured that they will do everything in their power to prove that Butch's faith in them was well placed.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Any list that includes Dana Holgerson or Blackbeard the Pirate loses all credibility.
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I would love to see Holgorsen or Leach coaching at a school with the recruiting budget of Tennessee or the status in a prime recruiting state like Clemson.
 
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VKAman said:
This is true for every assistant everywhere.
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If they're loyal to their coach and have been rewarded with positive things in return whether it's tangible rewards or simply the ties that bind then, yes. However, a lot of assistants have no incentive to prove themselves because they're either stuck in a dead end job with a coach who is going nowhere fast and doesn't give a crap about them or because they know their work won't be rewarded. A leader who is loyal to his 'team' whether we're talking about football, a boardroom, or a teacher who establishes a loyalty and desire for success with his/her students, motivates people to do more than they'd normally do.

There's a reason we have sayings like "I would kill for him/her," and "I'd walk through fire/run through a brick wall for ______" It comes from the extra bonds we form with people who we know would be there for us. And it brings out more from people when you have it.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Uh buddy what? Surely you see the difference in an isolated game in a coach's first year as opposed to a 3 year trend right.

I guess you and the nimrod that liked your post thought you had a point.
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Hmm...

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Didn't realize coaches played each other head to head.
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Gonna go with the guy who's been to and, you know, won a BCS bowl here.
 
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notabed22 said:
Hmm...



Gonna go with the guy who's been to and, you know, won a BCS bowl here.
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Still holding on huh? Comment was in response to Dooley beating Butch instead of what really happened which is Tennessee beating Cincinnati. Again, surely someone who is even a step behind such as you could see the difference, right?
 
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notabed22 said:
I would love to see Holgorsen or Leach coaching at a school with the recruiting budget of Tennessee or the status in a prime recruiting state like Clemson.
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At least I didn't type this jewel. The good ole State of Clemson!
 
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sanddune50 said:
Still holding on huh? Comment was in response to Dooley beating Butch instead of what really happened which is Tennessee beating Cincinnati. Again, surely someone who is even a step behind such as you could see the difference, right?
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By that same logic, Butch didn't beat Strong... Cincinnati beat Louisville.
 
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notabed22 said:
By that same logic, Butch didn't beat Strong... Cincinnati beat Louisville.
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How about I let you pick since you are the one with the imaginary rules.

Or I'll do you one better, Cincinnati beat Louisville 2 out of 3 times when CBJ and Strong were coaching the above teams.

And CBJ is 3-0 against Strong in recruiting for the above programs.

Either way, you're entire argument about Strong being a better coach doesn't hold a lot of water. Just a louisville homer trolling the board proclaiming Clemson as a state. Nothing more.
 
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sanddune50 said:
How about I let you pick since you are the one with the imaginary rules.

Or I'll do you one better, Cincinnati beat Louisville 2 out of 3 times when CBJ and Strong were coaching the above teams.

And CBJ is 3-0 against Strong in recruiting for the above programs.

Either way, you're entire argument about Strong being a better coach doesn't hold a lot of water. Just a louisville homer trolling the board proclaiming Clemson as a state. Nothing more.
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You still haven't explained why Tennessee vs. Cincinnati is a school vs. a school whereas Louisville vs. Cincinnati is Strong vs. Jones.

Strong is 1-2 vs. Jones, yes, but Jones is 0-1 vs. Dooley. I tend to look at the bigger picture like, you know, Louisville's shiny Sugar Bowl trophy and Top 10 (maybe Top 5!) ranking coming into the season.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Cool, a random clown with no merit decided to make up an imaginary list of who he would take if he were ever in a position to hire a D1 college coach.

By the way Butch is 2-1 head to head against Strong and out recruited him on even footing when he was at Cincy compared to Strong's efforts at Louisville. But it's real sweet you included Charlie in your make believe list.
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I hope you realize that you're just as much of a random clown, albeit one with a rather tenuous grasp of the English language.

Would you consider a coach taking over Alabama and a coach taking over Missouri to be "on even footing?"
 
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UTProf said:
If they're loyal to their coach and have been rewarded with positive things in return whether it's tangible rewards or simply the ties that bind then, yes. However, a lot of assistants have no incentive to prove themselves because they're either stuck in a dead end job with a coach who is going nowhere fast and doesn't give a crap about them or because they know their work won't be rewarded. A leader who is loyal to his 'team' whether we're talking about football, a boardroom, or a teacher who establishes a loyalty and desire for success with his/her students, motivates people to do more than they'd normally do.

There's a reason we have sayings like "I would kill for him/her," and "I'd walk through fire/run through a brick wall for ______" It comes from the extra bonds we form with people who we know would be there for us. And it brings out more from people when you have it.
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Every assistant has an incentive to move up. If you're in a dead-end job like Dooley's assistants, you have an incentive to prove yourself so you're not sitting on your couch next football season. I see what you're saying, but I think a Cincinnati assistant is going to be eager to prove himself whether his current boss brings him to Tennessee or Les Miles hires him at LSU.
 
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notabed22 said:
You still haven't explained why Tennessee vs. Cincinnati is a school vs. a school whereas Louisville vs. Cincinnati is Strong vs. Jones.

Strong is 1-2 vs. Jones, yes, but Jones is 0-1 vs. Dooley. I tend to look at the bigger picture like, you know, Louisville's shiny Sugar Bowl trophy and Top 10 (maybe Top 5!) ranking coming into the season.
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Have I not? I just think it is less of an indicator of one coach besting another when 2 teams who never play, played one game when one coach was in his 2nd year with a school and the other one was a first year coach who inherited a team that lost a bunch of upper classmen.

The Strong vs. Jones argument differs in that their respective teams played 3 consecutive years with Jones winning 2 out of the 3 games. Not to mention, out recruited Strong during his time there.

Guess it depends what argument you are trying to make. I mean we can go with a nameless posters list of coaches better than Butch Jones and only being able to cite one season in Louisville's history where they won a relevant game. But I look at a guy who coached up and left 2 teams just as well off as they were when he got there.

So you enjoy your Coach, and we will enjoy ours. Hope to see you around when Louisville returns to being irrelevant in football as their history suggests that they will.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Have I not? I just think it is less of an indicator of one coach besting another when 2 teams who never play, played one game when one coach was in his 2nd year with a school and the other one was a first year coach who inherited a team that lost a bunch of upper classmen.

The Strong vs. Jones argument differs in that their respective teams played 3 consecutive years with Jones winning 2 out of the 3 games. Not to mention, out recruited Strong during his time there.

Guess it depends what argument you are trying to make. I mean we can go with a nameless posters list of coaches better than Butch Jones and only being able to cite one season in Louisville's history where they won a relevant game. But I look at a guy who coached up and left 2 teams just as well off as they were when he got there.

So you enjoy your Coach, and we will enjoy ours. Hope to see you around when Louisville returns to being irrelevant in football as their history suggests that they will.
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We're talking about Tennessee-Cincinnati, right? Who was the first-year coach?

And how is the Belk Bowl "just as well off" as an undefeated Sugar Bowl season? How was Louisville when Strong got there?
 
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VKAman said:
I hope you realize that you're just as much of a random clown, albeit one with a rather tenuous grasp of the English language.

Would you consider a coach taking over Alabama and a coach taking over Missouri to be "on even footing?"
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How about this. Instead of making the claim that I'm a 'clown' and using the true sign of a defeated poster(grammar smack). Back it up, as I did, when you made some pathetic attempt at proving a point earlier in the thread.

That being said, what does Bama and Missouri have to do with this conversation? I mean, if you are going to crack on my grammar, at least try to make sense when attempting to prove a point.

And go......
 
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sanddune50 said:
How about this. Instead of making the claim that I'm a 'clown' and using the true sign of a defeated poster(grammar smack). Back it up, as I did, when you made some pathetic attempt at proving a point earlier in the thread.

That being said, what does Bama and Missouri have to do with this conversation? I mean, if you are going to crack on my grammar, at least try to make sense when attempting to prove a point.

And go......
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You backed up your statement that he was a clown by saying that he "has no merit." Very strong case there.

Since you apparently have reasoning issues, I'll start here: what was Cincinnati's record in '09, compared to Louisville's?
 
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#98
But, speaking of imaginary, Cincinnati must have had an imaginary coach back in 2010 before the mighty Butch Jones arrived.
 
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VKAman said:
You backed up your statement that he was a clown by saying that he "has no merit." Very strong case there.

Since you apparently have reasoning issues, I'll start here: what was Cincinnati's record in '09, compared to Louisville's?
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It is a very strong case. Unless you believe anonymous message board posters have the ability to assess who is a better coach or not without a wide array of criteria.

I have no reasoning issues. You just have issues coming up with anything other than a bowl win as to why one coach is more successful than another. If not for a Strong led team edging out a Jones led team at home by 3, Cincinnati would have been in that Sugar Bowl that you 2 are dearly holding on to.

Problem I see is nuthugging between a supposed UT fan and a Louisville fan who came on here to take a not so veiled jab at CBJ. Unfortunately, in an attempt to feel like you are superior thinking UT fan you have taken to team up with the interloper and try and argue with other UT fans.

Truth is you are an even bigger dullard for not seeing this and need to take the UT emblem off of your favorite team list and join the Louisville board.
 
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VKAman said:
But, speaking of imaginary, Cincinnati must have had an imaginary coach back in 2010 before the mighty Butch Jones arrived.
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Brian Kelly was very successful at Cincy...and he just got his latest school...Notre Dame to the BCS Championship Game...which is the game that decides the Division I college football champion....I found all this awesome information by watching football games on the television...which is an electronic device that displays images...........
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