Anyone other than Butch Jones

[NashVol11]

It is a very strong case. Unless you believe anonymous message board posters have the ability to assess who is a better coach or not without a wide array of criteria.

I have no reasoning issues. You just have issues coming up with anything other than a bowl win as to why one coach is more successful than another. If not for a Strong led team edging out a Jones led team at home by 3, Cincinnati would have been in that Sugar Bowl that you 2 are dearly holding on to.

Problem I see is nuthugging between a supposed UT fan and a Louisville fan who came on here to take a not so veiled jab at CBJ. Unfortunately, in an attempt to feel like you are superior thinking UT fan you have taken to team up with the interloper and try and argue with other UT fans.

Truth is you are an even bigger dullard for not seeing this and need to take the UT emblem off of your favorite team list and join the Louisville board.

Then your opinion is just as meaningless as his, making you just as much of a "random clown" as he is. Follow me yet?

Yeah, I love Louisville and Kentucky fans. Duke and Tennessee are both so chummy with them.

 

[sanddune50]

But, speaking of imaginary, Cincinnati must have had an imaginary coach back in 2010 before the mighty Butch Jones arrived.

Yeah, I screwed up with that comment. Big deal. Doesn't take away from the rest of the information. Just means you want to deflect on the only thing you and your life partner have to hold on to. All I know is Butch is killing it on the recruiting trail, and I'm not hearing as much about Charlie Strong and Louisville.

Of course, a lot of that has to do with UT being an all time top 10 football program as compared to Louisville who is relevant once every 10-20 years.

 

[NashVol11]

Oh, and Butch Jones even managed the impressive feat of going 2-1 against Louisville in just two years. Turns out, one of their meetings happened in the imaginary Big East championship game.

The mind is a powerful thing.

 

[sanddune50]

Then your opinion is just as meaningless as his, making you just as much of a "random clown" as he is. Follow me yet?

Yeah, I love Louisville and Kentucky fans. Duke and Tennessee are both so chummy with them.

Difference is I never claimed my opinion meant anything more than his. But I did use stats as opposed to some random blurt of a post.

Speaking of, who are you to judge any of this? All I see is another random clown sucking another fan off.

I couldn't careless who you love, because your comments are just as meaningless.

 

[NashVol11]

Yeah, I screwed up with that comment. Big deal. Doesn't take away from the rest of the information. Just means you want to deflect on the only thing you and your life partner have to hold on to. All I know is Butch is killing it on the recruiting trail, and I'm not hearing as much about Charlie Strong and Louisville.

Of course, a lot of that has to do with UT being an all time top 10 football program as compared to Louisville who is relevant once every 10-20 years.

You mean someone who resorts to brilliantly original "life partner" jokes has problems counting to three? Shocking.

 

[sanddune50]

Oh, and Butch Jones even managed the impressive feat of going 2-1 against Louisville in just two years. Turns out, one of their meetings happened in the imaginary Big East championship game.

The mind is a powerful thing.

Keep holding on Gomer, you're bound to get his number any minute now.

 

[sanddune50]

You mean someone who resorts to brilliantly original "life partner" jokes has problems counting to three? Shocking.

Lol. Lame. So me saying CBJ was a first year coach in 2011 has to do with my ability to count?

It's funny that you abandoned all of your other nonsense to hold on to this one error.

Tells me you don't have much else. Seriously, I hear the Cardinal bandwagon has room. Maybe they can give you some Charlie Strong pajamas as a free gift for joining their fanbase.

We at UT are trying to root out pu$$ified fans.

 

[butchna]

You mean someone who resorts to brilliantly original "life partner" jokes has problems counting to three? Shocking.

60 Minutes needs to air the story on brain damage caused by hurtful gay jokes...Eddie Murphy suffers from such a malady
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[NashVol11]

Lol. Lame. So me saying CBJ was a first year coach in 2011 has to do with my ability to count?

It's funny that you abandoned all of your other nonsense to hold on to this one error.

Tells me you don't have much else. Seriously, I hear the Cardinal bandwagon has room. Maybe they can give you some Charlie Strong pajamas as a free gift for joining their fanbase.

We at UT are trying to root out pu$$ified fans.

"2 + 1 = 2" is a pretty strong indictment on your ability to count.

The "other nonsense" consisted of an SEC comparison that went over your head, a comparison to Kelly's Cincinnati team that went over your head, and a question about the records of the teams Jones and Strong inherited that you never answered.

If anyone "abandoned" the topic, it certainly wasn't me.

 

[sanddune50]

"2 + 1 = 2" is a pretty strong indictment on your ability to count.

The "other nonsense" consisted of an SEC comparison that went over your head, a comparison to Kelly's Cincinnati team that went over your head, and a question about the records of the teams Jones and Strong inherited that you never answered.

If anyone "abandoned" the topic, it certainly wasn't me.

Dumbazz, what does counting have to do with mistakenly calling a coach a first year a year after he started. Just an error. Thus it was a stupid insult. That's what happens when a simpleton like you tries to lump counting with a factual error.

Nothing you said went over my head. I just cut through all of the erratic bouncing around from your pitiful attempts at making a point. He.ll, you even tried to bring Missouri and Bama in the conversation.

Again, if you want to believe that there is 25-30 coaches like your bff does feel free. I just don't see it, and in a couple of years no one else will either.

I'm guessing neither one of you yahoos have even strapped on a chin strap in your lives either. Another thing that bothers me is when geeks with PS3s start talking football.

 

[Volunteer forever]

:whistling::whistling::whistling::whistling:

 

[Burger]

:whistling::whistling::whistling::whistling:

Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friendssssss!

 

[NashVol11]

Dumbazz, what does counting have to do with mistakenly calling a coach a first year a year after he started. Just an error. Thus it was a stupid insult. That's what happens when a simpleton like you tries to lump counting with a factual error.

Nothing you said went over my head. I just cut through all of the erratic bouncing around from your pitiful attempts at making a point. He.ll, you even tried to bring Missouri and Bama in the conversation.

Again, if you want to believe that there is 25-30 coaches like your bff does feel free. I just don't see it, and in a couple of years no one else will either.

I'm guessing neither one of you yahoos have even strapped on a chin strap in your lives either. Another thing that bothers me is when geeks with PS3s start talking football.

You would think that someone who says "2-1" about 80 times would be able to count back three years to when Jones started, but apparently not. I've played plenty of football but you apparently had one (or three) too many concussions.

You said: "Jones left Cincinnati about as good as when he got there."
I said: "Since when is the Belk Bowl just as good as 12-0 and the Sugar Bowl?"
You: "Who went 12-0? Louisville?"

Complete swing and a miss. You calling anyone a simpleton is gold.

 

[notabed22]

Dumbazz, what does counting have to do with mistakenly calling a coach a first year a year after he started. Just an error. Thus it was a stupid insult. That's what happens when a simpleton like you tries to lump counting with a factual error.

Nothing you said went over my head. I just cut through all of the erratic bouncing around from your pitiful attempts at making a point. He.ll, you even tried to bring Missouri and Bama in the conversation.

Again, if you want to believe that there is 25-30 coaches like your bff does feel free. I just don't see it, and in a couple of years no one else will either.

I'm guessing neither one of you yahoos have even strapped on a chin strap in your lives either. Another thing that bothers me is when geeks with PS3s start talking football.

Just a few points:

1) Charlie Strong inherited a Louisville team that didn't see a winning season in its three years under Kragthorpe, then had them going 7-6, 7-6 and 11-2 with a Sugar Bowl victory and in prime position to do damage this year as a Top 10 or Top 5 preseason team. Butch Jones inherited a Cincinnati team coming off of back-to-back BCS bowl appearances with 11 and 12 wins respectively, then had them 4-8, 10-3 and 9-3 with no BCS appearances. Not only did the two coaches begin on unequal footing, they ended in rather different places too.

2) You still haven't explained why it's okay to reference Butch's head-to-head record against Strong but not his head-to-head record against Dooley.

3) How Butch Jones performs at Tennessee will obviously impact how many coaches would be more ideal to lead the Tennessee Vols; if Butch wins a national title this year you can probably shrink that list from 32 to zero or one, but losing records will make the list grow. With zero games coached at the University of Tennessee, I stand by my "ridiculously" large number.

4) Of those 32 names... you really chose to complain about my inclusion of a guy who Tennessee offered before Butch? A guy who turned Tennessee down? I understand if you're sore towards Charlie Strong for spurning Tennessee, but I wouldn't act as if he isn't worthy of discussion since he was higher on Tennessee's list than Butch.

 

[Burger]

Just a few points:

1) Charlie Strong inherited a Louisville team that didn't see a winning season in its three years under Kragthorpe, then had them going 7-6, 7-6 and 11-2 with a Sugar Bowl victory and in prime position to do damage this year as a Top 10 or Top 5 preseason team. Butch Jones inherited a Cincinnati team coming off of back-to-back BCS bowl appearances with 11 and 12 wins respectively, then had them 4-8, 10-3 and 9-3 with no BCS appearances. Not only did the two coaches begin on unequal footing, they ended in rather different places too.

2) You still haven't explained why it's okay to reference Butch's head-to-head record against Strong but not his head-to-head record against Dooley.

3) How Butch Jones performs at Tennessee will obviously impact how many coaches would be more ideal to lead the Tennessee Vols; if Butch wins a national title this year you can probably shrink that list from 32 to zero or one, but losing records will make the list grow. With zero games coached at the University of Tennessee, I stand by my "ridiculously" large number.

4) Of those 32 names... you really chose to complain about my inclusion of a guy who Tennessee offered before Butch? A guy who turned Tennessee down? I understand if you're sore towards Charlie Strong for spurning Tennessee, but I wouldn't act as if he isn't worthy of discussion since he was higher on Tennessee's list than Butch.

1) All those players from the 09 team graduated. Butch was left with nothing in the trenches. I'd say they started in the same place because Jones had to rebuild the roster.

2) big east vs. Big east isn't much different talent wise. Ut is in the SEC and Cincy is in the big east.Butch would of beat Dooley if it wasn't only week 2. Talent won that game for Dooley.

3) I just don't believe your list is 100%, but I understand the concept you were trying to do.

4) Butch> Strong. You put coaches on the list that Butch won against in Cincy. Five winning seasons> Three winning seasons.

 

[sanddune50]

You would think that someone who says "2-1" about 80 times would be able to count back three years to when Jones started, but apparently not. I've played plenty of football but you apparently had one (or three) too many concussions.

You said: "Jones left Cincinnati about as good as when he got there."
I said: "Since when is the Belk Bowl just as good as 12-0 and the Sugar Bowl?"
You: "Who went 12-0? Louisville?"

Complete swing and a miss. You calling anyone a simpleton is gold.

Exaggerate much? I made one comment about Butch Jones being a 1st year head coach. And for the 12-0 comment, you were all over the place. You made some ridiculous comparison to Bama and Missouri, and in no way did the conversation take place in the way you positioned it above. You just randomly blurted out 12-0 without referencing what you were talking about. That's more of an indictment of you not being able to properly communicate in a meaningful way. So don't blame your shortcomings on me.

2 of the 3 years Kelly was at Cincinnati they were a 3 loss team. The last 2 years Butch was there, they were a 3 loss team. No one in their right mind would think Cincinnati would continue to go undefeated forever. So yes, Butch left them as in good of shape as he inherited them in. Good job glossing over the 'fact' that Cincinnati lost most of their upperclassmen Kelly's last year as well.

See I don't sit around grading people's post like an exam. I post off of memory, which is flawed, vs spending an inordinate amount of time on google and passing it off as 'my knowledge'. But seeing as though you google monkey's and keyboard warriors want to talk smack, let's look at Kelly's tenure at Central Michigan compared to Butch's.

Kelly 2004-2006 19-16
Jones 2007-2009 27-13

Looks like Butch left Central Michigan better off than when he arrived there.

Another stat I looked up is Charlie Strong's tenure at Louisville. Before last year's breakout season, his first 2 years he went 7-6 and went to the same Belk bowl you were bashing an 8-3 Cincinnati team for going to. The same Cincinnati team that lost by a FG in OT on the road vs. Louisville.

Point is, you can try that repositioning crap like you did above and it may work on some of the knuckle dragging mouth breathing friends you entertain, but not so much with me. And if you think anything about this exchange is gold, that tells me you value things way too easily.

Again, go join a Louisville board and have a big circle tug with each other over Charlie Strong or any other coach you and your partner insignificantly rank over Butch Jones. I'll stay over here and enjoy the show.

 

[sanddune50]

Just a few points:

1) Charlie Strong inherited a Louisville team that didn't see a winning season in its three years under Kragthorpe, then had them going 7-6, 7-6 and 11-2 with a Sugar Bowl victory and in prime position to do damage this year as a Top 10 or Top 5 preseason team. Butch Jones inherited a Cincinnati team coming off of back-to-back BCS bowl appearances with 11 and 12 wins respectively, then had them 4-8, 10-3 and 9-3 with no BCS appearances. Not only did the two coaches begin on unequal footing, they ended in rather different places too.

2) You still haven't explained why it's okay to reference Butch's head-to-head record against Strong but not his head-to-head record against Dooley.

3) How Butch Jones performs at Tennessee will obviously impact how many coaches would be more ideal to lead the Tennessee Vols; if Butch wins a national title this year you can probably shrink that list from 32 to zero or one, but losing records will make the list grow. With zero games coached at the University of Tennessee, I stand by my "ridiculously" large number.

4) Of those 32 names... you really chose to complain about my inclusion of a guy who Tennessee offered before Butch? A guy who turned Tennessee down? I understand if you're sore towards Charlie Strong for spurning Tennessee, but I wouldn't act as if he isn't worthy of discussion since he was higher on Tennessee's list than Butch.

1) Who cares. So this means he could be a one hit wonder with one very talented QB. While rivals has Louisville currently at 15, they currently only have 1 4 star commit going into a new stiffer conference. Good luck with that.

2)I think I explained it very well. You just don't want to hear my explanation because you don't have a valid rebuttal.

3)Your number means nothing, because you haven't given us your credentials as to why your rating system deserves any credibility. And I can tell you right now, if you only go Ws and Ls in a guys 1st season inheriting a mess, than your list needs to be wadded up and trashed for not factoring in other variables into the equation. By year 3 if he is losing, I'll agree wholeheartedly with you, that Butch Jones is not that great of a coach.

4) I wasn't complaining, just pointing out factual stats. Something you and your buddy didn't want to acknowledge. You are a Louisville fan, so I was using your team's coach as an example in our debate. As far as who got offered what first is a subjective opinion anyways, and has no bearing as to who is better. But going by overall records

Butch Jones 50-27 in 6 seasons

vs.

Charlie Strong 25-15 in 3 seasons and a Bowl game loss as an interim coach at Florida

I'm glad Hart got the second option as opposed to the first.

Again enjoy your coach and we will enjoy ours.

 

[ncvol17]

The guy from Navy just to hear the pronunciations........

 

[UGADawg4Life]

?..... Ok I know CBJ has done nothing for us on the field YET. Assuming the on field progress goes as well as our image and recruiting have under CBJ. Is there any other collage coach you would rather have right now. (excluding what many would consider the best 2 and biggest 2 a$$es Saban,Meyer)

I ask cause I like many was skeptical at the hiring of CBJ, but have been totally wowed by what he has done so far. And couldn't imagine right now wanting anyone else to be our coach.A complete turn around from when he was hired. I'll hang up and listen.......GBO,VFL

Let me ask you a legit question (not trolling). If Oregon beats UT say 28-3, will your opinion change or will you have a "wait and see" attitude?

 

[NashVol11]

Exaggerate much? I made one comment about Butch Jones being a 1st year head coach. And for the 12-0 comment, you were all over the place. You made some ridiculous comparison to Bama and Missouri, and in no way did the conversation take place in the way you positioned it above. You just randomly blurted out 12-0 without referencing what you were talking about. That's more of an indictment of you not being able to properly communicate in a meaningful way. So don't blame your shortcomings on me.

Guess it depends what argument you are trying to make. I mean we can go with a nameless posters list of coaches better than Butch Jones and only being able to cite one season in Louisville's history where they won a relevant game. But I look at a guy who coached up and left 2 teams just as well off as they were when he got there

And how is the Belk Bowl "just as well off" as an undefeated Sugar Bowl season?

I:

1. Quoted your post
2. Used your exact wording
3. Put said wording in quotes in case you were really that stupid.

You missed all three.

And speaking of repositioning, you've responded to that fact by talking about my football career, my video game habits, Central Michigan, my incredible Google skills (since it apparently takes a beautiful mind to remember that Jones was hired in the same offseason as Dooley), my sexual preferences, and my apparent love for all things Louisville.

What's next? You can pull out more random topics if you want, but now that you've figured out how to use the Internet, I'd suggest looking up Louisville's 2009 season so you can finally answer my question.

 

[NashVol11]

And, just a side note: Kelly went to consecutive BCS bowls, while Jones very nearly went to consecutive Liberty Bowls. You can say that's "about the same" all you want, but if that's the case, we have very different standards.

 

[butchna]

Let me ask you a legit question (not trolling). If Oregon beats UT say 28-3, will your opinion change or will you have a "wait and see" attitude?

If Oregon beats us 72-3, the true fans will be looking for progress...we're realistic...we just want our team to play like there's somebody with a clue at the helm and Butch...gets it
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[butchna]

And, just a side note: Kelly went to consecutive BCS bowls, while Jones very nearly went to consecutive Liberty Bowls. You can say that's "about the same" all you want, but if that's the case, we have very different standards.

You're stellar dude!..people need to quit arguing with your flawless logic...take meth and kill some brain cells...and become Louisville fans...GO RED BIRD things
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[NashVol11]

You're stellar dude!..people need to quit arguing with your flawless logic...take meth and kill some brain cells...and become Louisville fans...GO RED BIRD things
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I don't give two sh*ts about Louisville. I'm just not sitting here saying we have the best coach on Earth because he managed to take the #1 team in the Big East and finish second a couple of times.

 

[butchna]

I don't give two sh*ts about Louisville. I'm just not sitting here saying we have the best coach on Earth because he managed to take the #1 team in the Big East and finish second a couple of times.

Golf clap for your courage
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