Are gays getting more rights than the rest of us?

#28
#28
Companies can do what they want. We can choose not to work for them or do business with them. That's how freedom works.

OTOH, if the gov't's long nose can be stuck in how employment benefits are "equal" for all groups then how can they not declare this illegal? Just another one of the inherent inconsistencies when both "conservatives" and liberals fall into a statist mindset.
 
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I have nothing against gay people themselves, but I do against their sexual acts. As a Christian, I will not be forced to vote for something that will encourage an act that the bible forbids. Guess that makes me a bigot for following my religious beliefs.
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#32
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San Diego Vol said:
I have nothing against gay people themselves, but I do against their sexual acts. As a Christian, I will not be forced to vote for something that will encourage an act that the bible forbids. Guess that makes me a bigot for following my religious beliefs.
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Problem, many people who are "christians" only like to use the Bible when its convenient, picking and choosing what they want to follow. I get the Bible forbids homosexuality, but it also forbids premarital sex, adultery, and even divorce except on the grounds of adultery (irreconcilable differences is not in there). So the only people who can use the Bible to support their argument are ones completely innocent of those infractions, otherwise they stand as a hypocrite before the God they claim to worship.

Not implying or targeting you, just an observation.
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bamacheats said:
Problem, many people who are "christians" only like to use the Bible when its convenient, picking and choosing what they want to follow. I get the Bible forbids homosexuality, but it also forbids premarital sex, adultery, and even divorce except on the grounds of adultery (irreconcilable differences is not in there). So the only people who can use the Bible to support their argument are ones completely innocent of those infractions, otherwise they stand as a hypocrite before the God they claim to worship.

Not implying or targeting you, just an observation.
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To me this is the major problem in the whole debate. I find it hard to listen to a group as a whole that speaks out of both sides of their mouth. It's by no means limited to Christians and politicians, but living in America those are the two most prevalent groups with this problem. I just ask that whatever people believe in to be consistent.
 
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bamacheats said:
Problem, many people who are "christians" only like to use the Bible when its convenient, picking and choosing what they want to follow. I get the Bible forbids homosexuality, but it also forbids premarital sex, adultery, and even divorce except on the grounds of adultery (irreconcilable differences is not in there). So the only people who can use the Bible to support their argument are ones completely innocent of those infractions, otherwise they stand as a hypocrite before the God they claim to worship.

Not implying or targeting you, just an observation.
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Here here. I have never agreed with anyone more. :clapping:
Many find it easy to use religion or faith as a convenient argument - and questioning either is considered somewhat of a taboo.
 
#35
#35
I agree with what you are saying. I wouldn't support any laws that supported those things you discussed either. But just because someone has done something the bible forbids is a sin, doesn't mean they cannot speak out against other sins. People are not perfect and everyone sins, however they can repent and ask for forgiveness of that sin. Same goes for those paricipating in homosexual behavior.


bamacheats said:
Problem, many people who are "christians" only like to use the Bible when its convenient, picking and choosing what they want to follow. I get the Bible forbids homosexuality, but it also forbids premarital sex, adultery, and even divorce except on the grounds of adultery (irreconcilable differences is not in there). So the only people who can use the Bible to support their argument are ones completely innocent of those infractions, otherwise they stand as a hypocrite before the God they claim to worship.

Not implying or targeting you, just an observation.
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San Diego Vol said:
I agree with what you are saying. I wouldn't support any laws that supported those things you discussed either. But just because someone has done something the bible forbids is a sin, doesn't mean they cannot speak out against other sins. People are not perfect and everyone sins, however they can repent and ask for forgiveness of that sin. Same goes for those paricipating in homosexual behavior.



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I'm not talking about sinning in general, I'm referring to sins that specifically pertain to the "sacred" marriage arrangement that so many hypocrites that are multi-divorced and multi-adultered are trying to protect. The vast majority of Americans do not view marriage as sacred, they will kick it to the curb in a heartbeat if someone better comes along.
 
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bamacheats said:
I'm not talking about sinning in general, I'm referring to sins that specifically pertain to the "sacred" marriage arrangement that so many hypocrites that are multi-divorced and multi-adultered are trying to protect. The vast majority of Americans do not view marriage as sacred, they will kick it to the curb in a heartbeat if someone better comes along.
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If facts are needed ---> a little over 50% of marriages today end in divorce.
 
#39
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I don't know that I've seen any evidence of this. Not saying it doesnt exsist, I just haven't seen it. My co-worker Vic is gay so I will ask him. Maybe he can provide some insight.
 
#40
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bamacheats said:
Problem, many people who are "christians" only like to use the Bible when its convenient, picking and choosing what they want to follow. I get the Bible forbids homosexuality, but it also forbids premarital sex, adultery, and even divorce except on the grounds of adultery (irreconcilable differences is not in there). So the only people who can use the Bible to support their argument are ones completely innocent of those infractions, otherwise they stand as a hypocrite before the God they claim to worship.

Not implying or targeting you, just an observation.
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People have been using the bible to support whatever they already believe in, they were using the bible to argue against Woman's Suffrage, Desegregation, and abolishing slavery.

They already have their mind made up and interpenetrate the bible so that it fits their needs. When they bible says something is bad and they like it, they ignore the bible and do it anyways.
 
#41
#41
I wouldn't agree with gays receiving more rights than strait people get, but I have no problem with gay people. They can do what they want and I will do what I want. Don't push it on me and we have no issues. I am good friends with several gay people both male and female and it just doesn't bother me. To each his own. Lord knows I've committed too many sins myself to quote the bible to a gay person.
 
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orangestorm said:
People have been using the bible to support whatever they already believe in, they were using the bible to argue against Woman's Suffrage, Desegregation, and abolishing slavery.

They already have their mind made up and interpenetrate the bible so that it fits their needs. When they bible says something is bad and they like it, they ignore the bible and do it anyways.
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Did you mean interpret? Cause this might be the best spelling mistake ever made.
 
#43
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bamacheats said:
Problem, many people who are "christians" only like to use the Bible when its convenient, picking and choosing what they want to follow. I get the Bible forbids homosexuality, but it also forbids premarital sex, adultery, and even divorce except on the grounds of adultery (irreconcilable differences is not in there). So the only people who can use the Bible to support their argument are ones completely innocent of those infractions, otherwise they stand as a hypocrite before the God they claim to worship.

Not implying or targeting you, just an observation.
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And if I have a problem with all of those things? As a Christian, I have a problem with sin regardless of what they are. It doesn't mean I am sinless. And it doesn't mean I hate the sinner - especially since I am one as well.

You are wrong in saying the only people who can use this are ones completely innocent. These are sins pointed out. These are acts that we are to not engage in - actually sin in general to be technical. Just because a Christian speaks out against sins does not make them innocent or hypocritical. Where Christians get in trouble is as you say pick and choose and say this guy is d***** for his act while giving this guy over here a free pass. In the examples above, the sin committed by say a homosexual is just as much a sin as the pastor cheating on his wife. It does not give an open invitation to take them out to the streets to flog them. The difference is the sin versus the sinner. We act differently to each. Since we are all sinners, what good does it do to berate the person for the sin when the one berating is just as guilty.
 
#44
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I don't subscribe to the thinking that "a sin is a sin" and a careful study of the Bible shows that is not a Bible based teaching. There is a difference between a person who sins and a sinner. The difference is the practice of sin without regard to God's thinking.
Example: Under the Mosaic Law adultery and fornication were both forbid. However, adulterers were stoned to death and fornicators were not, showing according to God there is no "a sin is a sin". Different gravity, different consequences.
Also the scriptures are clear that the willful practice of sin takes the value of Christ's blood off the table.
My view of Homomarriage is that it is a mockery to God's arrangement. However, since we live in a Democratic country and not a Theocratic one, legally I don't see how two consenting adults can be prohibited from getting married.
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#45
#45
Are you still under the Mosaic Law? For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. The wages of sin is death. Sin itself separates us from God. It is through Christ we are restored. It was the act of taking a fruit God said not to that brought sin into the world - not mass murder, not devil worship, etc. Using the Mosaic Law, that we are not bound to (but you can choose to be if you wish), is not a good scriptural method to explain sin.

I live in a country that allows for people to vote to decide law, standards, etc. If the specific act of marriage is something that remains in the domain of the state, then the state and those within it can vote on how that is defined. We define the age of consent, we define limits on drinking, smoking, gambling, we define limitations on voting. Consent is a broad term. And if this notion of consent is freely allowed, be mindful of what all you will allow.
 
#46
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utvolpj said:
no the bible thumpers are more likely to allow it if you don't use their sacred "marriage" word.

and the OP clearly demonstrates gay people do not have more rights than others. He states that he had a choice not to get married but the other side doesn't get that choice.
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Did you ever stop to think that people of faith might consider 'Bible thumper' offensive??

While it is true that believers consider matrimony to be holy and homosexuality to be unholy, your petty derision demonstrates your own prejudice.

It's not like you can speak plainly on the topic of homosexuality, even here, for fear of using some taboo word that someone might find offensive.
 
#47
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gsvol said:
Did you ever stop to think that people of faith might consider 'Bible thumper' offensive??

While it is true that believers consider matrimony to be holy and homosexuality to be unholy, your petty derision demonstrates your own prejudice.

It's not like you can speak plainly on the topic of homosexuality, even here, for fear of using some taboo word that someone might find offensive.
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no because it's an accurate description of what happens in some churches (seen with my own 2 eyes). The word you are so upset about not being able to use is a bigoted slur and not allowed.
 
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utvolpj said:
no because it's an accurate description of what happens in some churches (seen with my own 2 eyes). The word you are so upset about not being able to use is a bigoted slur and not allowed.
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Agreed. I have no problem with religious individuals - those that push it on me however = bible thumpers...and frankly most annoying people I have ever met, JMO.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
Agreed. I have no problem with religious individuals - those that push it on me however = bible thumpers...and frankly most annoying people I have ever met, JMO.
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What's the word for atheists who push their non-belief on people?

That's the part I don't get about many atheists - they rant about religious zealotry but love to tell everyone why their beliefs are absolutely right and more intelligent.

It would be nice if both parties would STFU and believe or not believe whatever they like.
 
#50
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volinbham said:
What's the word for atheists who push their non-belief on people?

That's the part I don't get about many atheists - they rant about religious zealotry but love to tell everyone why their beliefs are absolutely right and more intelligent.

It would be nice if both parties would STFU and believe or not believe whatever they like.
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Agreed. I'd rather be happy than "right". You cling to your beliefs and I'll do the same.
 
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