Are the hurricanes dead ?

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#51
Due to the nature of the violations, speculation immediately began about the possibility of SMU receiving the "death penalty." The revelations came at a time of great concern over the integrity of college sports, and college presidents were showing an increasing willingness to rein in their athletic programs.

On February 6, 1987, SMU's faculty athletics representative, religious studies professor Lonnie Kliever, delivered a report to the NCAA which recommended an extension of the school's probation an additional four years, until 1990. During this period, the school would be allowed to hire only six assistant coaches, and only four of them would be allowed to participate in off-campus recruiting. It also recommended that the school's ban from bowl games and live TV be extended until 1989. During those two seasons, SMU proposed dropping two nonconference games from its schedule. SMU's cooperation so impressed the enforcement staff that it recommended that the Infractions Committee accept SMU's proposed penalties, with the exception of a ban on nonconference play for two years.[11]
The committee, however, decided to take a different track. On February 25, the committee voted unanimously to cancel SMU's 1987 football season, and voted to allow it to play only seven games (none at home) in 1988.[12]

The committee praised SMU for cooperating with the investigation, saying that Kliever's efforts "went far beyond what could fairly be expected of a single faculty athletics representative." It also praised SMU's stated intent to operate within the rules when it returned to the field.[13] This cooperation saved SMU from the full "death penalty"; had this happened, SMU would have had its football program shut down until 1989, and would have also lost its right to vote at NCAA conventions until 1990.[12] However, it said that it felt compelled to impose the "death penalty" in order to "eliminate a program that was built on a legacy of wrongdoing, deceit and rule violations." SMU's record, the committee said, was "nothing short of abysmal," and the school had made no effort to reform itself over the past decade. The committee also found that SMU had gained a "great competitive advantage" over its opponents as a result of its cheating, and the "death penalty" was one way of rectifying this advantage.[13]

David Berst, the chairman of the Infractions Committee, said years later that the Mustang football program was so riddled with corruption that "there simply didn't seem to be any options left."[14] Several members of the committee that imposed the sanctions later said that when the NCAA first enacted the "repeat violator" rules, it never anticipated that there would ever be a situation meriting a "death penalty." However, they said their investigation of SMU revealed a program completely out of control.[15]
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#52
#52
DarthVaul said:
I think they deserve the death penalty but I don't think they get it. Too much collateral damage and $$ involved. How would the ACC hold their conf championship? Would they kick UM out and take another team or wait for UM to have a CG. What about the TV contract? UM is arguably the biggest TV draw. That would have to be redone. Not to mention the financial implications on the community. For all the people that say we will never see the death penalty again, we are about to find out because that bunch deserves it if anyone does.
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SMU crossed the line, spit on it, walked behind it, then crossed it again once the NCAA turned around

This is very, very close, but I'm not sure it would fully warrant it as much as they did
 
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TrueOrange said:
SMU crossed the line, spit on it, walked behind it, then crossed it again once the NCAA turned around

This is very, very close, but I'm not sure it would fully warrant it as much as they did
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This is true.

And I think that MiHammy probably deserves the "inches from death" penalty. This is just sooo far reaching and touches far too many people actually inside the university. If it were just one assistant. And a booster. And then a bunch of greedy, stupid players, then I could see the punishment backing off a bit. But this has to be a partially severed head type of punishment.
 
#54
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MemphisCanes said:
The NCAA has stated in the past that they don't plan on implementing the death penalty or TV bans again. That effectively harms every other school in the ACC.

I expect Miami's penalties to be harsh, but affect Miami only.
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Hard to guess what the NCAA will be doing in this case. If most of the accusations stick, the NCAA kinda have their backs to the wall.

Whether they hand out the death penalty or not, I think it's safe to say it"s gonna be awhile before Miami is relevant again.

It's gonna take a massive effort to sway the court of public opinion. That alone will "kill" Miami for a few years.(IMO)
 
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TrueOrange said:
SMU crossed the line, spit on it, walked behind it, then crossed it again once the NCAA turned around

This is very, very close, but I'm not sure it would fully warrant it as much as they did
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So did Miami. When the smoke cleared from Uncle Luke they picked right back up with Lil Luke.
 
#56
#56
The NCAA was so upset at Tressel, Carroll, Kiffin, Ohio State and USC they took it out on the Miami Hurricanes!!!! signed the Tark
 
#59
#59
If half of what is accused sticks, who in their right mind is going to let their kid play ball there?
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Can a player get a benefit without being aware of it?

The booster should have known better, but everything I'm hearing about this guy leads me to believe he's theiving, jock-sniffing scumbag who just didn't care.
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Shapiro payed for the whore to provide services to the player. The abortion that the player was not aware of was the result of the sex he had with the whore. That is the illegal benefit that the player most assuredly knew of.
 
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#65
I don't think that they will have to cancel games, but I do think that they may be stripped of many of their scholarships for a period of time as well as massive recruiting restrictions and probation. It won't be the death penalty, but they will be in critical condition. There is just no way around it.

It probably helps that Miami has been relatively clean otherwise, but the scale and duration is simply too much for the NCAA to ignore.

I think that they are clearing all of the players that transferred because they are not at Miami anymore and they have agreed to cooperate with the investigation.
 
#67
#67
Not the death penalty. because of smu, we now know that shutting down di football has consequences that reach far beyond the guilty parties.
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#68
#68
volfan51128 said:
USC has market value, thats why they didn't get spanked harder then they did.
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This is way worse. I can't beleive all I am hearing. The AA has little credabilty as it is. If they don't close this program the AA should close shop. They suck anyway! This will be interesting.
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#69
#69
Everybody hoping the aa will hand down the death penalty need to channel all those hopes and dreams into winning the lottery instead.
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#70
#70
officially downgraded to a tropical storm. No more.....none. Goodbye Miami and thank God!
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Apples/Oranges.
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“Here’s the thing: Luther Campbell was the first uncle who took care of players before I got going,” Shapiro said, referring to the entertainer notorious for supplying cash to Miami players in the 1980s and 1990s. “His role was diminished by the NCAA and the school, and someone needed to pick up that mantle. That someone was me. He was ‘Uncle Luke,’ and I became ‘Little Luke.’

apples/apples :yes:
 
#72
#72
Death penalty. C'mon. In all the truths, there will be lies. And yes the canes should be punished for what is found but the death penalty? What needs to happen is all of the players involved should be let go from college football all together. Yes, there should be scholarships taken away and not eligible for a bowl game for a couple of years or so, but the death penalty? Let's remember that there are alot of players not involved that will get punished for nothing.
 
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house divided said:
Death penalty. C'mon. In all the truths, there will be lies. And yes the canes should be punished for what is found but the death penalty? What needs to happen is all of the players involved should be let go from college football all together. Yes, there should be scholarships taken away and not eligible for a bowl game for a couple of years or so, but the death penalty? Let's remember that there are alot of players not involved that will get punished for nothing.
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Then you're sending the message that a program can get away with basically whatever the hell they want. You have to punish someone, and in this case, it warrants severity. Death penalty? Doubt it, but Miami should be reduced to a team comprised mostly of walkons at the very least, with a bowl ban for at minimum 4 years.
 
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