Are we approaching the defining moment in CJH's tenure at UT?

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I just watched the film guy's breakdown on UT's offense. You can see some issues he raised with the offense they need to fix, really some coaching issues, blocking the wrong guy, etc, but one of the biggest was leaving the mike unblocked most of night. Just untouched some times, over and over and over.
 
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IndianaVol said:
Yes, I think CJH is at a pivotal time in his tenure. Then again, any and every coach seems to be at this same point around year 3 or 4.

Long gone are the days of coaches being allowed 5 plus to build a program with medium success. These days if you aren't winning championships in year 3, you are done at most places that value football.

It's a sad reflection of the expectations of fans today.
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How is what Heupel has done with this program "medium success"?
 
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Considering what we went through from the end of CPF's era, Kiffin, Dooley, Jones and Pruitt...I say Heupel has some time before he reaches that point in his career. At least from the perspective of the fan base. He's 35-14 since arriving and appears to close out '24 with a 10-2 record.
 
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IndianaVol said:
Yes, I think CJH is at a pivotal time in his tenure. Then again, any and every coach seems to be at this same point around year 3 or 4.

Long gone are the days of coaches being allowed 5 plus to build a program with medium success. These days if you aren't winning championships in year 3, you are done at most places that value football.

It's a sad reflection of the expectations of fans today.
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No coach is getting fired for 10-2nor 9-3. ADs aren’t dumb. Just barely missing the playoffs isn’t a breaking point.

Heupel is not at any crossroads. Unless he has 3 consecutive seasons of 7-5 or worse I highly doubt he would be let go. He already has equity for elevating a 5-7 program to two 10-2 seasons (most likely) in four years.
 
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onevol74 said:
I agree with OP on the impact of losing Golesh. Our offense productivity has been completely different since he left. And I am not convinced that Heupel knows how to succeed with the slow down game as of yet. But he is relatively young in his position and should be able to grow with experience . I do expect next year to be revealing with the losses in the OL and DL.
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I question the growth of Nico. Lagway is doing well at UF and he's a true freshman I think. Why is Nico struggling to grasp things? Is it him or is it his coaching that's slowing his growth? Is our OL still affecting his performance in the pocket? Are our WRs so pedestrian that we're forced to limit our playbook? Who did the evals? Certainly Heupel signs off on every recruit we offer and sign so maybe we're just missing the mark in recruiting?
 
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Any talk or even insinuation of CJH being canned is woefully premature, but I think OP is being piled on unfairly.

Schemes do evolve over time; they have to. Long-term, CJH will have to adapt to stay ahead of the curve. I had misgivings about Halzle from the time he was promoted simply because I don’t know that a Heupel disciple (heh) will be best equipped to help him do so. It would be good, in my opinion, if he had someone from a different background to bounce ideas off of. Think of how many head coaches have had to take a step back from tactics and focus more on administration, while trusting their coordinators to handle more of the Xs and Os. I’m not saying Heupel is anywhere near that point, but this idea that Halzle is completely irrelevant seems silly and naive to me.

In any event, these are medium or long-term concerns. So to answer the question in the thread title, no, not really.
 
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CAVPUT said:
I question the growth of Nico. Lagway is doing well at UF and he's a true freshman I think. Why is Nico struggling to grasp things? Is it him or is it his coaching that's slowing his growth? Is our OL still affecting his performance in the pocket? Are our WRs so pedestrian that we're forced to limit our playbook? Who did the evals? Certainly Heupel signs off on every recruit we offer and sign so maybe we're just missing the mark in recruiting?
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Think it is mostly psychological. With the Nil money these kids are getting offered, it comes attached with intense fan expectations to perform and they aren't mature enough yet to handle this kind of pressure. I expect to see the same thing happen to the young QB coming into LSU next year.

Once this happens, I don't know if they can be salvaged. DJ (former Clemson QB) tried to make a new start at Oklahoma this yer and you seen what happened there.


There probably should be a cap on Nil that can be offered to future star players for their own good.
 
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CAVPUT said:
I question the growth of Nico. Lagway is doing well at UF and he's a true freshman I think. Why is Nico struggling to grasp things? Is it him or is it his coaching that's slowing his growth? Is our OL still affecting his performance in the pocket? Are our WRs so pedestrian that we're forced to limit our playbook? Who did the evals? Certainly Heupel signs off on every recruit we offer and sign so maybe we're just missing the mark in recruiting?
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what are you talking about with Lagway? What has he done that is so impressive? I realize he didn't play the entire year either.

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Golfprovol said:
Jesus dude! Golesh never had a redshirt freshman QB. The offense is working the same, the players are not the same. Nico simply doesn't see the field like Hendon did.

Goleah also had Tillman and Hyatt to throw the ball to, we don't have anyone with that kind of skill.

After the last 20 years, you have the balls to sit behind a keyboard and bitch that we are "only" gonna win 10 ga.es this year.......SMH
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Were Hyatt and Tillman that much better than Squirrel/ Bru /Thornton and Brazzell or was the QB play and play calling better??
 
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joevol33 said:
What's the answer if he is? Fire him, and go through another kiffin/dooley/butch/ pruitt ordeal?
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If he and the Vols lose the Vandy game next week and they are left out of the playoffs, they will end the season 9-3. More fans are going to join the chorus and start demanding that he fires one or both coordinators.

Right now if no changes are made, at best the Vols will be an 8-4 team next season with losses from Bama/ Florida on the road, Georgia at home and some other mediocre SEC team on the road.
 
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loservol said:
If he and the Vols lose the Vandy game next week and they are left out of the playoffs, they will end the season 9-3. More fans are going to join the chorus and start demanding that he fires one or both coordinators.

Right now if no changes are made, at best the Vols will be an 8-4 team next season with losses from Bama/ Florida on the road, Georgia at home and some other mediocre SEC team on the road.
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But that doesn't answer my question. If that happens, then what? People acting lije we can do better, obviously have short memories. Nobody, literally no big name coach wanted this job. At best, we'd hire another "up and comer", and pray he works out.
 
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joevol33 said:
But that doesn't answer my question. If that happens, then what? People acting lije we can do better, obviously have short memories. Nobody, literally no big name coach wanted this job. At best, we'd hire another "up and comer", and pray he works out.
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don't worry. We've been assured that if someone doesn't get fired, we are only 8-4 next year
 
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theFallGuy said:
don't worry. We've been assured that if someone doesn't get fired, we are only 8-4 next year
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2022-ended the season with a 10-2 record.
Florida / Bama game at home, Georgia /South Carolina on the road.
2023-ended the season with an 8-4 record with losses to Bama/Florida on the road, Georgia at home and Mizzou on the road.
2024- ended the season with a 10-2 or 9-3 record with Florida/Bama game at home, Georgia and Arkansas on the road.

Not really going out on a limb with this best case scenario prediction for the 2025 season. It's on a rinse wash and repeat cycle.
 
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Golfprovol said:
Did Fulmer ever evolve? Nope! It totally sounds like you are saying CJH has to evolve or get fired. If that is your idea, that is the most entitled take on UT football that I have ever heard.

Spend 20 years wondering in the woods sucking and barely making bowl games to #11 in the polls, a good shot at the playoffs, and 9-11 wins per season but that isn't good enough.
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We aren't making the playoffs this year and won't next year either based off what we have to replace so if heupel doesn't have us in the playoffs in 2026 with a nc chance he will and should be on the hot seat in 2027. Id prefer he be forced give up a 1/3 of his salary for not making the playoffs this year.
 
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loservol said:
2022-ended the season with a 10-2 record.
Florida / Bama game at home, Georgia /South Carolina on the road.
2023-ended the season with an 8-4 record with losses to Bama/Florida on the road, Georgia at home and Mizzou on the road.
2024- ended the season with a 10-2 or 9-3 record with Florida/Bama game at home, Georgia and Arkansas on the road.

Not really going out on a limb with this best case scenario prediction.
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the point is you have no idea what our record will be next season.
 
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cdb88 said:
We aren't making the playoffs this year and won't next year either based off what we have to replace so if heupel doesn't have us in the playoffs in 2026 with a nc chance he will and should be on the hot seat in 2027. Id prefer he be forced give up a 1/3 of his salary for not making the playoffs this year.
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Current projections have us #11 IN
 
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cdb88 said:
We aren't making the playoffs this year and won't next year either based off what we have to replace so if heupel doesn't have us in the playoffs in 2026 with a nc chance he will and should be on the hot seat in 2027. Id prefer he be forced give up a 1/3 of his salary for not making the playoffs this year.
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entire post is more assumptions. We can absolutely still make playoffs this year and you have no idea what will happen next year
 
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