Are we approaching the defining moment in CJH's tenure at UT?

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I'm giving Heupel through year 6 regardless unless there is a catastrophic season. He's earned that and that's really been my timeline to get where we need to be with recruiting and development. I felt like coming into this year we'd probably be 9-3 and next year we'd be in the CFP. This year unfolded a little different. Some for better, some for worse. He's at least met, if not exceeded my expectations this year.
 
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onevol74 said:
There are numerous examples of where good, or great, coordinators are not head coaching material. Look at OU.
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Are you suggesting that a guy who is 35-13 and has made UT relevant again nationally after inheriting the dumpster fire and sanctions that Josh walked into isn't head coaching material?
 
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No. I think with the conference realignment along with the scheduling changes in the SEC, fans for all the SEC schools (and other conferences as well) are going to have to accept that things have changed. I think many are still living in a world where the expectation is for an undefeated season where a team completely dominates all other teams. That world is over.

Not saying we will not see undefeated teams but fully expect it to become rarer every year for teams in the 4 major conferences.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Ole Miss has 3. Bru was projected as a 4th-5th round pick to start the season. That hasn’t changed. If not one among Squirrel/ CB or Thornton gets drafted I’ll come back and say “Golfprovol” was right.
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CB has two more years, he'll end up drafted.
Squirrel has another year, he'll end up CFL.
Bru hasn't matched his 2022 production, he'll end up a 7th rd pick or UDFA
NFL loves guys with Thornton's measurables, 5th/6th rd.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Not saying we will not see undefeated teams but fully expect it to become rarer every year for teams in the 4 major conferences.
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We may see an undefeated team in one of the three lesser "Power 4" conferences or Notre Dame, but not in the SEC. Hell, if Indiana passes its one and only test of the season, there's a P4 undefeated team that will probably be one and done in the playoff.
 
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sami said:
We may see an undefeated team in one of the three lesser "Power 4" conferences or Notre Dame, but not in the SEC. Hell, if Indiana passes its one and only test of the season, there's a P4 undefeated team that will probably be one and done in the playoff.
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My point exactly. The schedule has to be just right in the given year.

The years of an SEC team being undefeated are over - and if by chance that happens, then just crown that team number 1 - no need for a playoff.
 
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Heupel came at a BAD time. and has made a monumental turn around. With that success comes expectations, he can't be a 9–10-win season for 10 to 15 years. At some point, he's going to have to go to the SEC Championship game. I would imagine Danny White has given him that time frame. Then again, if we're raking in the money, maybe people won't care, but I find that hard to believe.
 
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loservol said:
If he and the Vols lose the Vandy game next week and they are left out of the playoffs, they will end the season 9-3. More fans are going to join the chorus and start demanding that he fires one or both coordinators.

Right now if no changes are made, at best the Vols will be an 8-4 team next season with losses from Bama/ Florida on the road, Georgia at home and some other mediocre SEC team on the road.
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At best 8-4 next year?

Some of you guys set narratives that reflect some sort of hostility towards the program. It's almost like you enjoy being negative. What is it? Jealousy for those who are doing something at a level you can't?
 
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First year of Playoffs, things will change and adjustments made to possibly a 16 team field. We have no way to know at this point.
My point is this, CJH is capable and is recruiting well enough to get the job done.
Look at where we were and we are on the rise.
We had 10 years of coaching changes, I for one am not for turnover and believe CJH will get us there. Who are you going to replace this whole staff with as you can start naming.
Nobody will want to come here to coach or play if we keep doing this.
NCs have gotten harder and we are playing with a RS Freshman at QB
Some of you must really love drama. Get off the boat for right now and tread water because changing this staff out in total would be a mistake. What's more who are you going to replace him with. Geez.
 
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IndianaVol said:
Yes, I think CJH is at a pivotal time in his tenure. Then again, any and every coach seems to be at this same point around year 3 or 4.

Long gone are the days of coaches being allowed 5 plus to build a program with medium success. These days if you aren't winning championships in year 3, you are done at most places that value football.

It's a sad reflection of the expectations of fans today.
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The sad reflections of the expectations is a true statement. It is the entitlement thread of those that want to complain.
 
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Going on record alone, the year has been objectively above average. The program appears to be trending upward. That's more than anyone could have said a handful of years back. Still, there's plenty of room for improvement.

As for whether  the defining moment for Heupel and Company is here, or around the corner...I'm not convinced that a singular moment could ever qualify as such. Wrapped in the candy shell of the recent relative success is a filling of points for improvement (as others mentioned: learning the "slow" game, consistency on the road, etc). It's not one moment that will answer or address those questions and needs. It's a process, and the coaching staff isn't "there" yet but they are here until they aren't.

Side note: Not a damn thing (positive or negative) any person says on this or any other message board about the program has any bearing on the program's success or failure. There's absolutely no reason to allow what an internet stranger posits (for better or worse) about something you have no control over to ruin one's day (or evening). It's a game, people.
 
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I’ve said it for years and not just about this particular football coach. If you are HC of football at UT you cannot nor should you expect to be in that position long term if there is a program on the schedule you cannot beat. I am not advocating Heupel be dismissed this year or even next. I am advocating for now no more extensions far into the future. Heupel to his credit has beaten UF and Bama which were and are worthy opponents. However he cannot get past UGA in his 4 years so far. The clock is and frankly should ticking on how long the program awaits him defeating UGA. No HC should be approaching ten years if he cannot beat UGA at UT, that is shades of Mark Richt in reverse and the UT program deserves much better than that.
 
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Remy said:
I’ve said it for years and not just about this particular football coach. If you are HC of football at UT you cannot nor should you expect to be in that position long term if there is a program on the schedule you cannot beat. I am not advocating Heupel be dismissed this year or even next. I am advocating for now no more extensions far into the future. Heupel to his credit has beaten UF and Bama which were and are worthy opponents. However he cannot get past UGA in his 4 years so far. The clock is and frankly should ticking on how long the program awaits him defeating UGA. No HC should be approaching ten years if he cannot beat UGA at UT, that is shades of Mark Richt in reverse and the UT program deserves much better than that.
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Remy said:
I’ve said it for years and not just about this particular football coach. If you are HC of football at UT you cannot nor should you expect to be in that position long term if there is a program on the schedule you cannot beat. I am not advocating Heupel be dismissed this year or even next. I am advocating for now no more extensions far into the future. Heupel to his credit has beaten UF and Bama which were and are worthy opponents. However he cannot get past UGA in his 4 years so far. The clock is and frankly should ticking on how long the program awaits him defeating UGA. No HC should be approaching ten years if he cannot beat UGA at UT, that is shades of Mark Richt in reverse and the UT program deserves much better than that.
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He took over a sinking ship. The guys he was and still is trying to recruit never saw the Vols as competitive.
We pretty much won 50% of our games in the 10 years before he came to UT.
 
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His style has set records. His style works. Of course until you have good, reliable WRs and OL, nothing willl work at full capacity. The offense will look elite like it did in 2022 when our players execute to the highest level.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
That will be telling. If Nico isn't markedly improved next year, I'll be wanting to see either Merk or McIntyre get a shot.

Merk was a very high 4*, top 10 qb recruit in his class. We had to fight GA to land him. If he weren't sandwiched between Nico and McIntye, half this board would have already anointed him.
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Half this board annointed Nico and wanted him starting last year when Joe wasn't Hooker. If Nico doesn't progress and Merk stays, they'll annoint Merk and call for him next year like several called for Moore at times this year.

That the offensive production didn't change much, other than the QB run threat, with Moore in is telling about how defenses are dialed in to defending our playbook. Certainly Nico brings more athleticism than Gaston but Gaston knows the offense 100% by now.

The lack of much change in production says it's about how we're being defended, not about who is running the offense efficiently or who is a superior athlete.

At some point, we have to wonder if it's the offense, not the personnel, that aren't getting it done. Maybe the Heupel tempo offense has been deciphered and defenses have adjusted to it, so even if Hooker, Hyatt, and Tillman were in Knoxville, it's not going to deliver like it did.
 
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