Are we approaching the defining moment in CJH's tenure at UT?

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It comes down to 1, execution. We dropped 4 crucial passes Saturday that killed drives. 2, Tennessee it’s still bringing itself out of the dumps from where Alabama and Georgia has been steady getting 5 stars. We’re close tho.

One thing that is puzzling is the vast difference in plays that are called from year to year, hell, even game to game. You look at the OU game. Shovel pass shovel pass shovel pass. Go back to Alabama 2022. Where’s the play to Fant that got us the two point conversion? That play was very disguising. I remember Cutcliff would have 1 or 2 plays or looks that confused a defense every game. Hell I don’t know it’s just weird because you don’t see a lot of vertical plays and when we do, we’re missing them big time. The TE drops were killing us Saturday.
 
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They got outcoached at UGA. They adjusted and we didn't. I'd say yes on that. I mean the road cream puff soft azz play. Lack of any adjustments. You're going to have to be top 4 in this conference to get in this playoff and that's going to be tough with the programs now in this league.
 
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Cartervol said:
They got outcoached at UGA. They adjusted and we didn't. I'd say yes on that. I mean the road cream puff soft azz play. Lack of any adjustments. You're going to have to be top 4 in this conference to get in this playoff and that's going to be tough with the programs now in this league.
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Does this mean we made better adjustments than our opponents in all of our wins given how well we’ve played in the second half?
 
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Golfprovol said:
From 1976 to 2000 we played them 15 times, we won 3.
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That time range is misleading. We didn’t start playing them every year until 1990, and some of the fairly good years extended into the early 2000s where we won 3 more. From 1990-2004 we won 6 out of 15 which isn’t good, but a little more respectable.
 
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Volizona said:
That time range is misleading. We didn’t start playing them every year until 1990, and some of the fairly good years extended into the early 2000s where we won 3 more. From 1990-2004 we won 6 out of 15 which isn’t good, but a little more respectable.
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The point being. OP said we aren't elite until we beat UGA but we were elite in the 90's even though we struggled with UF.
 
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There can be only one champion each year. I don't believe we have to be Champs to be considered a program with National relevancy. Sure, we would like to have 'Bama's success. However, that is an anomaly. I can be happy at 10-2 every year. I might even take 2-10, if the two wins were over Florida and Alabama.

Don't even suggest that CJH's tenure may have run its course. Look at the 4 previous hires. LS-who, thought they could spend $70 million and hire Kelly away from Notre Dame. How's that working out?
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
We have to win these last two to argue we overachieved. And even then I wouldn’t say that, because we lost to a team we had no business losing to. If I could have told you we could have gone 11-1 by beating only one team with a winning record, you wouldn’t have said 10-2 is an overachievement.
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Can you tell me who Texas’ best win was? I’ll wait.
 
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If we want to be national contenders we are going to have to start filling our roster with a majority of 5* players. That has been the formula for success for decades.
 
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HiltonHeadVol said:
Now I know that there will be push-back on this topic. But can we just ask the question that is sitting out there. I didn't really mean to sound too dramatic with this thread......but for some time I've said that CJH will have to re-invent/re-shape his offense as smart defensive coaches adapt to his unique style. Last year made I was mildly concerned with offensive drop-off, but this year it seems clear that Coach is struggling to adjust his system to continue and remain productive. 2024 in CJH's professional life has been unique and challenging obviously.
But is he evolving as he must, or is he a bit lost? THIS is the defining question regarding not only his tenure at UT but his long term coaching legacy.
I suspect the loss of Golesh was a much bigger set-back than most realize. There are holes on this team that are chronic problems at UT. Offensive line recruiting and development have been suspect for many years (at least in my view). Talent in the defensive backfield and at LB has either been thin or not developed. Penalties are problematic and we cannot currently "outscore our mistakes". Play calling at least superficially appears predictable and therefore it must accept some responsibility for our repetitive two-quarter scoring lapses.

So I eagerly await input from those on this forum who understand football far better than I. Some might suggest this team has produced beyond expectations. I am proud of this team at 8-2 but there are some troubling signs. Our identity, Coach's adaptability, and player development have been difficult this year and yet I think in many ways some would call 2024 one of Huep's best, despite the things listed above. I've seen suggestions that all the Huepel-esque style offenses are not producing as before. If so, why? Is our coach evolving as he must? Let me say that I really like Coach Huep and his character. I think he is a good man and I'm pulling for him big-time. But I am concerned. OK, I'll hang up and listen.
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NO!!!
 
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loservol said:
If he and the Vols lose the Vandy game next week and they are left out of the playoffs, they will end the season 9-3. More fans are going to join the chorus and start demanding that he fires one or both coordinators.

Right now if no changes are made, at best the Vols will be an 8-4 team next season with losses from Bama/ Florida on the road, Georgia at home and some other mediocre SEC team on the road.
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Did Josh Heupel stuff you into a locker in junior high or something?
 
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He’s put a better product on the field consistently with better players than anyone in the last 15-20 years at UT. But does he need to evolve like all good coaches to reach the top? Yes. However for now I am thrilled to be 2-2 against FL and Bama in the last four years. Entertaining and relevant again Been a loooong time since that happened.
 
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After four years... CJH is what he is. It's very UNcommon for a head coach to suddenly become a better coach after his first 4 years. He's a good coach. Not a great coach. In this league, you need a great coach to win big. It's just that simple.
 
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jeff1vol said:
After four years... CJH is what he is. It's very UNcommon for a head coach to suddenly become a better coach after his first 4 years. He's a good coach. Not a great coach. In this league, you need a great coach to win big. It's just that simple.
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I agree with that somewhat. He caught lightening in a bottle with Hooker. Since then his offense has been pedestrian and has cost them this year. Not even sure this is the right QB for this system. Everyone thought it was Milton's fault last year and now we see the same thing this year. There are some concerning things with this staff that seem to jump out every week. Heupel is heading into his judgement years in the next couple because that's where we are..
 
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Vol8188 said:
Can you tell me who Texas’ best win was? I’ll wait.
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They have only lost one game. If it stays that way, their best win would be A&M. If it doesn’t, then at that point you can start arguing whether they deserve to be in.

You can’t argue that the SEC is the greatest and that any team that can compete in the SEC would dominate any other conference, then say that the first place team in the SEC hasn’t beaten anyone. We don’t deserve to be above Texas because we have lost more than them. They beat the team that beat us. The only team to beat them also beat us.

We have been fortunate to have played 4 of the 5 worst teams in the SEC according to conference record. Vandy will make 5 of the 6 worst teams according to conference record if they lose this week. We are only in this position because we have only played 2 good teams all season and dropped one of them. We also lost to a bad team we had no business losing to. We don’t deserve to get in over a team with fewer losses than us, because a tough schedule is not what put us in this position.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
They have only lost one game. If it stays that way, their best win would be A&M. If it doesn’t, then at that point you can start arguing whether they deserve to be in.

You can’t argue that the SEC is the greatest and that any team that can compete in the SEC would dominate any other conference, then say that the first place team in the SEC hasn’t beaten anyone. We don’t deserve to be above Texas because we have lost more than them. They beat the team that beat us. The only team to beat them also beat us.

We have been fortunate to have played 4 of the 5 worst teams in the SEC according to conference record. Vandy will make 5 of the 6 worst teams according to conference record if they lose this week. We are only in this position because we have only played 2 good teams all season and dropped one of them. We also lost to a bad team we had no business losing to. We don’t deserve to get in over a team with fewer losses than us, because a tough schedule is not what put us in this position.
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So our wins don’t count because they’re against teams with losing records, but Texas’ wins against teams with a worse record do count?

Help me understand the “logic” here?
 
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Vol8188 said:
So our wins don’t count because they’re against teams with losing records, but Texas’ wins against teams with a worse record do count?

Help me understand the “logic” here?
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Everyone knows we're getting the hose. It's not fair but it's really never been fair. Tennessee has kind of done to themselves by looking very average on offense and Arkansas is a bad loss. Everyone seems to have one. Texas really doesn't have a bad loss. You are right their schedule was set up very nicely for them this year. Avoided most of the top half of the conference. Are you Heupel's PR guy by the way?
 
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Vol8188 said:
So our wins don’t count because they’re against teams with losing records, but Texas’ wins against teams with a worse record do count?

Help me understand the “logic” here?
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Our wins count. Texas’s wins count. Arguing that Texas hasn’t beaten anyone when we have had a really easy schedule on whole is just a dumb position to take. We beat Bama, which was nice, but that’s the only FBS team with a winning record who we have beaten. It isn’t like we have 4 wins against teams that are gonna finish 8-4 or better, so our one even remotely decent win isn’t anywhere near enough to make up for having more losses than Texas.
 
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