Are we approaching the defining moment in CJH's tenure at UT?

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Another grand narrative thread. Just what we needed.

“Omfg! We overachieved expectations! Clearly his system doesn’t work and everyone needs to be fired”

Ignore the elite rushing offense and wide open WRs all over the field. Clearly the system is broken!
 
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BenGrimm said:
No coach is getting fired for 10-2nor 9-3. ADs aren’t dumb. Just barely missing the playoffs isn’t a breaking point.

Heupel is not at any crossroads. Unless he has 3 consecutive seasons of 7-5 or worse I highly doubt he would be let go. He already has equity for elevating a 5-7 program to two 10-2 seasons (most likely) in four years.
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Mark richt begs to differ. Not sure of the record but he was doing solid at GA. Admin decided “solid” wasn’t good enough.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Another grand narrative thread. Just what we needed.

“Omfg! We overachieved expectations! Clearly his system doesn’t work and everyone needs to be fired”

Ignore the elite rushing offense and wide open WRs all over the field. Clearly the system is broken!
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Offense has far far from overachieved. Defense definitely did. Our offense has issues going on 2 years now.
 
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HiltonHeadVol said:
Now I know that there will be push-back on this topic. But can we just ask the question that is sitting out there. I didn't really mean to sound too dramatic with this thread......but for some time I've said that CJH will have to re-invent/re-shape his offense as smart defensive coaches adapt to his unique style. Last year made I was mildly concerned with offensive drop-off, but this year it seems clear that Coach is struggling to adjust his system to continue and remain productive. 2024 in CJH's professional life has been unique and challenging obviously.
But is he evolving as he must, or is he a bit lost? THIS is the defining question regarding not only his tenure at UT but his long term coaching legacy.
I suspect the loss of Golesh was a much bigger set-back than most realize. There are holes on this team that are chronic problems at UT. Offensive line recruiting and development have been suspect for many years (at least in my view). Talent in the defensive backfield and at LB has either been thin or not developed. Penalties are problematic and we cannot currently "outscore our mistakes". Play calling at least superficially appears predictable and therefore it must accept some responsibility for our repetitive two-quarter scoring lapses.

So I eagerly await input from those on this forum who understand football far better than I. Some might suggest this team has produced beyond expectations. I am proud of this team at 8-2 but there are some troubling signs. Our identity, Coach's adaptability, and player development have been difficult this year and yet I think in many ways some would call 2024 one of Huep's best, despite the things listed above. I've seen suggestions that all the Huepel-esque style offenses are not producing as before. If so, why? Is our coach evolving as he must? Let me say that I really like Coach Huep and his character. I think he is a good man and I'm pulling for him big-time. But I am concerned. OK, I'll hang up and listen.
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Good grief, NO...
 
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We have a Freshman QB… are you guys idiots… he is freshman…. That doesn’t have anything to do with CJH…. The best defense we have had since he has been here and arguably the worst offense he has had since he has been here (because Nico is a Freshman) in year two he will completely different. Does he need to make some changes to better adapt to when we have years like a freshman playing QB, yes. Other than that it is all just nonsense
 
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I'll not forget the impact of Dooley, Butch and Pruitt any time soon. JH is ahead of schedule in most every measurable way from an accomplishment and trend perspective, from what he inherited. He's fine, and he's in a great position for Vols future, w/ incoming recruiting to needs on the team, especially at QB, which is the most important differentiator position in CFB.
 
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utvolpj said:
We've now reached a point in his tenure when 10-2 won't be good enough. It's like the last 15yrs didn't happen
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It's a whole new ballgame with Players now employees. Everyone SHOULD be able to get what they need. Then it comes down to coaching. The last 15 years don't matter. Buy the players you need and coach 'em. And you better win. The Best will.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Tillman has 300 receiving yards in his last 4 nfl games. Don’t underrate those guys
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I’m not underrating them. They are/were good. Hooker made them better. Look at Bru, for instance. He has one touchdown and zero 100 yard games the past two years. He had 4x the number of touchdowns and 3 100 yard games in 2022.

If Heupel had his way and Milton never got hurt, Hyatt and Tillman are probably in the CFL right now. Not that they weren’t good, but no one would have known that they could be good with Milton throwing to them. And Nico hasn’t been any better.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
I’m not underrating them. They are/were good. Hooker made them better. Look at Bru, for instance. He has one touchdown and zero 100 yard games the past two years. He had 4x the number of touchdowns and 3 100 yard games in 2022.

If Heupel had his way and Milton never got hurt, Hyatt and Tillman are probably in the CFL right now. Not that they weren’t good, but no one would have known that they could be good with Milton throwing to them. And Nico hasn’t been any better.
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Cool. So a super senior is better than a freshman?

Tillman is an nfl player. Idk how 300 yards in his last 4 nfl games doesn’t make that obvious to to you
 
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Vol8188 said:
Tillman has 300 receiving yards in his last 4 nfl games. Don’t underrate those guys
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J. Small was the best pass blocker we've had at RB and received the majority of snaps in 2022 at that.
Add P. Fant who was utilized more as an H-back in the passing game, and its a completely different dynamic.

I think it's clear Nico hasn't had the receiving talent Hooker had. Too Heupel's credit, we've shown a dynamic the 2022 squad couldn't, and gone 12 personnel with our TE transfers.

I think Nico needs to show vast improvement, but Heupel's done a decent job with what we've had to work with this year.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Cool. So a super senior is better than a freshman?

Tillman is an nfl player. Idk how 300 yards in his last 4 nfl games doesn’t make that obvious to to you
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He got drafted based on what he was able to show with Hooker at QB. He never shows that with Milton because QB is kinda important. Just like how he showed nothing with Watson this year but has been looking good with Winston.

I’m not saying, nor did I ever say, that he isn’t good enough for the NFL. I’m saying he wouldn’t have had the opportunity to show his abilities without Hooker.
 
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sami said:
Are you suggesting that a guy who is 35-13 and has made UT relevant again nationally after inheriting the dumpster fire and sanctions that Josh walked into isn't head coaching material?
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Are you suggesting that my post says anything about Heupel or UT? It is not in my copy.
 
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Cjh has always adjusted the offense based on the strength and weaknesses of the team. I have confidence in cjh that when UT gets a couple more pieces in place, namely on the o line, he will have the Vols in the bracket.

NTM the Vols ain't out yet. There's a few potential outcomes that could lift them into the bracket this year.

Go Vols!
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
He got drafted based on what he was able to show with Hooker at QB. He never shows that with Milton because QB is kinda important. Just like how he showed nothing with Watson this year but has been looking good with Winston.

I’m not saying, nor did I ever say, that he isn’t good enough for the NFL. I’m saying he wouldn’t have had the opportunity to show his abilities without Hooker.
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He’s playing at high level in the nfl with poor QB okay.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The team has overachieved.
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Nah. I’d say we’re about where people planned. Coming in most on this site thought FL was a win, hopefully we would split Bama/GA and OK was a season make or break. OK ended up being garbage. You’re acting like it’s heupels year 1. It’s not. The only game this year that we’ve won and maybe shouldn’t have on paper was Bama. Keep in mind it was at Neyland. We **** the bed against a mediocre Arkansas team. We **** the bed at GA. Our defense has been the one place we weren’t planning on being elite. Our offense is worse than expected. I’ve told you why I think we’re about where we should be after seeing the season play out. Go ahead and tell me where you think we’ve went above and beyond.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Nah. I’d say we’re about where people planned. Coming in most on this site thought FL was a win, hopefully we would split Bama/GA and OK was a season make or break. OK ended up being garbage. You’re acting like it’s heupels year 1. It’s not. The only game this year that we’ve won and maybe shouldn’t have on paper was Bama. Keep in mind it was at Neyland. We **** the bed against a mediocre Arkansas team. We **** the bed at GA. Our defense has been the one place we weren’t planning on being elite. Our offense is worse than expected. I’ve told you why I think we’re about where we should be after seeing the season play out. Go ahead and tell me where you think we’ve went above and beyond.
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ESPN projected 8.6 wins

Fan Duel called it 8.5 wins

Yeah….we overachieved

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Vol8188 said:
ESPN projected 8.6 wins

Fan Duel called it 8.5 wins

Yeah….we overachieved

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We have to win these last two to argue we overachieved. And even then I wouldn’t say that, because we lost to a team we had no business losing to. If I could have told you we could have gone 11-1 by beating only one team with a winning record, you wouldn’t have said 10-2 is an overachievement.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
We have to win these last two to argue we overachieved. And even then I wouldn’t say that, because we lost to a team we had no business losing to. If I could have told you we could have gone 11-1 by beating only one team with a winning record, you wouldn’t have said 10-2 is an overachievement.
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Lmfao okay buddy. Tillman should be in the CFL, despite balling out recently. Nico is trash because he’s not as good as a super senior. And we underachieved despite winning more already than Vegas predicted

Solid arguments.
 
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