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#78
#78
As with Dooley, the third year will be very important for Martin, IMO. With Maymon back, returning McRae, Stokes, Golden, Richardson, and company, and with the addition of Hubbs, the talent is there to compete in the SEC. Anything less than a respectable run in the SECT and a decent 'AA bid would be a disappointment, and possibly grounds for dismissal.
 
#80
#80
kiddiedoc said:
As with Dooley, the third year will be very important for Martin, IMO. With Maymon back, returning McRae, Stokes, Golden, Richardson, and company, and with the addition of Hubbs, the talent is there to compete in the SEC. Anything less than a respectable run in the SECT and a decent 'AA bid would be a disappointment, and possibly grounds for dismissal.
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Most def. I would even say that, unless I'm missing anything, missing the 'AA would probably seal his fate.
 
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#81
Chris4Vols22 said:
Who could we have plausibly hired that would have been better than Martin on paper? No hostility, honest question.
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Tom Izzo










Sorry couldn't resist. Maybe I interpreted the question wrong, and if so my bad. I assumed he was asking was Martin the best hire we could've made, as in best guy we could target. I said "hell no" based on that, because clearly Martin isn't the best coch out there. However, if what the question meant was...was Martin the best hire we could've made, as in guy who we actually can hire, that's a bit more difficult.

I don't know who would've taken the job. I do know smart and Stevens were contacted and neither were interested. IIRC wright and Dixon both publicly denied interest and reaffirmed their commitment to their current schools. So...as for best guy who we could bring in, he quite possibly could've been our best option, but I don't know who else would've taken it so I can't say that with 100% confidence.

If I remember right, there weren't people jumping at the job. Like say with the football team...butch jones was basically begging for the job, and he has a very solid resume. (not trying to get into FB talk). We didn't have that with the BB program, I remember some stuff with Rick Byrd from Belmont and that he'd take it, but I'm not sure he'd be the better option.
 
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#82
#82
Chris4Vols22 said:
Who could we have plausibly hired that would have been better than Martin on paper? No hostility, honest question.
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Not sure who we could have got. I know that we are not an elite level team, but it pisses me off to see South Carolina go out and hire big name coach after big name coach (Holtz, Spurrier, F. Martin) while we continue to go the mid major route in all sports.
 
#84
#84
Am I the only one tired of seeing this board whine and cry about the AD "not caring" about athletics? My god, people need to stop reading the tabloids and believing the conspiracy theories.
 
#85
#85
johnnybravo said:
Not sure who we could have got. I know that we are not an elite level team, but it pisses me off to see South Carolina go out and hire big name coach after big name coach (Holtz, Spurrier, F. Martin) while we continue to go the mid major route in all sports.
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In all honesty and objectively, if I was a big name coach I wouldn't come here. Fans give up way to easily, demand firing after a season and a half, don't try to work things through, etc. Too much risk for not enough reward.
 
#86
#86
whobethis16 said:
In all honesty and objectively, if I was a big name coach I wouldn't come here. Fans give up way to easily, demand firing after a season and a half, don't try to work things through, etc. Too much risk for not enough reward.
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I hate to be the one to tell you this but that happens every where.
 
#87
#87
bleedingTNorange said:
Tom Izzo










Sorry couldn't resist. Maybe I interpreted the question wrong, and if so my bad. I assumed he was asking was Martin the best hire we could've made, as in best guy we could target. I said "hell no" based on that, because clearly Martin isn't the best coch out there. However, if what the question meant was...was Martin the best hire we could've made, as in guy who we actually can hire, that's a bit more difficult.

I don't know who would've taken the job. I do know smart and Stevens were contacted and neither were interested. IIRC wright and Dixon both publicly denied interest and reaffirmed their commitment to their current schools. So...as for best guy who we could bring in, he quite possibly could've been our best option, but I don't know who else would've taken it so I can't say that with 100% confidence.

If I remember right, there weren't people jumping at the job. Like say with the football team...butch jones was basically begging for the job, and he has a very solid resume. (not trying to get into FB talk). We didn't have that with the BB program, I remember some stuff with Rick Byrd from Belmont and that he'd take it, but I'm not sure he'd be the better option.
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Some names for you BTO:

Alford
Steve Fisher
Fran Dunphy
Chris Mack
Greg Marshall
Rick Byrd
Ben Jacobson
Sean Miller.
 
#88
#88
whobethis16 said:
Am I the only one tired of seeing this board whine and cry about the AD "not caring" about athletics? My god, people need to stop reading the tabloids and believing the conspiracy theories.
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Look at the state of our athletic department. Look at the hires we keep making in comparison to other programs across the country. It's pretty obvious we have some serious ineptitude within our athletic department/administration.
 
#89
#89
TooLegit2Quit said:
Look at the state of our athletic department. Look at the hires we keep making in comparison to other programs across the country. It's pretty obvious we have some serious ineptitude within our athletic department/administration.
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Whether or not the hires work out is completely different from the conspiracy that they don't care, etc. They are making decisions they feel (with a lot more knowledge and insight) will be best for the program and university.
 
#90
#90
whobethis16 said:
Whether or not the hires work out is completely different from the conspiracy that they don't care, etc. They are making decisions they feel (with a lot more knowledge and insight) will be best for the program and university.
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They're not making decisions with the intent to win. I can understand the basketball hire, but the football hires have been inexcusable. Sub-par AD and I don't really see an argument against it.
 
#91
#91
whobethis16 said:
Whether or not the hires work out is completely different from the conspiracy that they don't care, etc. They are making decisions they feel (with a lot more knowledge and insight) will be best for the program and university.
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Do you REALLY believe that in your heart?? lol I personally think Dave Hart sabotaged the Gruden hiring and wants that false power. I dont think hes a UT Vol through and through.
 
#92
#92
whobethis16 said:
Whether or not the hires work out is completely different from the conspiracy that they don't care, etc. They are making decisions they feel (with a lot more knowledge and insight) will be best for the program and university.
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It takes very little knowledge and insight to know that Dooley was a shyte hire when Ham-Bone hired his wretched arsss.
 
#93
#93
UTVolWarrior98 said:
Do you REALLY believe that in your heart?? lol I personally think Dave Hart sabotaged the Gruden hiring and wants that false power. I dont think hes a UT Vol through and through.
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Yes, I do. And I'm glad Gruden wasn't hired because it would've been Kiffin 2.0. He'd jump ship at the first opportunity and the fanbase would be up in arms yet again. I like Hart because, as I said in a thread on the football page, he doesn't let the money make the decisions, unlike the previous AD. He's there to do the job. If you donate, great, thank you. But just because you donate doesn't mean you get to make the decisions. Manning doesn't try to control the School of Communications just because he donated a million to it.
 
#96
#96
TooLegit2Quit said:
They're not making decisions with the intent to win. I can understand the basketball hire, but the football hires have been inexcusable. Sub-par AD and I don't really see an argument against it.
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I'm not a Dave Hart fan at all. That football coaching search was an abomination, and then some.
 
#97
#97
TooLegit2Quit said:
They're not making decisions with the intent to win. I can understand the basketball hire, but the football hires have been inexcusable. Sub-par AD and I don't really see an argument against it.
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I do not even get the basketball hire; there were a number of mid-major coaches with more experience and better resumes than Zo.
 
#98
#98
patrick said:
Some names for you BTO:

Alford
Steve Fisher
Fran Dunphy
Chris Mack
Greg Marshall
Rick Byrd
Ben Jacobson
Sean Miller.
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Those were guys willing to take the job? If so then, no Martin wasn't our best choice. However, I don't see many names on that list that were jumping up and down begging for the job...who was?
 
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