Are you more concerned with the DL or the OL?

#76
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NotoriousB-I-G said:
Derek Dooley first season - 6-6 and seriously jobbed in the bowl game, should have been 7-6.

Butch Jones first season - 5-7 and no bowl game.

:good!:
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Dooley got a crap, pre-Franklin Vandy. As well as a crap Ole Miss.

Would have been the equivalent of us getting a crap Vandy and Arkansas instead of a 9-win Vandy and Auburn in 2013.

Try again.
 
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#77
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sjt18 said:
What? Aren't you the same guy who just a few months ago railed on me for saying that?
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Yes but there is a difference. I wasn't as harsh or that concerned about them in their first season. This season should be a little more telling. We have some great talent coming in and we will see how good their abilities to coach are.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Yes but there is a difference. I wasn't as harsh or that concerned about them in their first season. This season should be a little more telling. We have some great talent coming in and we will see how good their abilities to coach are.
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I see. So it is OK when you say it because you know what you mean... but wrong when I say it because you assume wrongly what I mean... :eek:k:
 
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NotoriousB-I-G said:
Derek Dooley first season - 6-6 and seriously jobbed in the bowl game, should have been 7-6.

Butch Jones first season - 5-7 and no bowl game.

:good!:
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Dooleys first season- no wins over ranked opponents, not that difficult of a schedule

CBJ first season- win over #11 ranked team, a play away from beating #6 ranked team, toughest schedule in school history

HUGE difference.
 
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I haven't read through most peoples responses here, do sorry if redundant.

I'm most concerned about OLine by a long shot. It's not even close. We signed several guys who can play all over the Dline next year. We might not be as big at DT, but we are quicker and more athletic. The learning curve for first time starters on the Dline is much less than on the Oline.

We signed 3 Olinemen this last cycle. The ones we have are good but need time to gel as a unit. It could take 6 games to get there.
 
#83
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Oskie Volum said:
Ok bud. You know CFB better than he does. :eek:k: smh Can't discuss things with people whose arguments come from straight hatred.

It's interesting how u sit here and say you can't blame it on Brsy, but it's ok to blame it all the defensive players like so many like to do.
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When did I ever blame it all on the defense? I blame the failure of 2012 on the coaching staff. Even if you're right and Dooley actually wasn't a bad coach and student of the game, he as his staff could never get the team to buy in. He couldn't motivate and inspire his team. It was bad enough to the point that his team completely have up on him. That's just the fact.
 
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LittleDTO said:
I haven't read through most peoples responses here, do sorry if redundant.

I'm most concerned about OLine by a long shot. It's not even close. We signed several guys who can play all over the Dline next year. We might not be as big at DT, but we are quicker and more athletic. The learning curve for first time starters on the Dline is much less than on the Oline.

We signed 3 Olinemen this last cycle. The ones we have are good but need time to gel as a unit. It could take 6 games to get there.
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Good post. Gonna be a struggle there IMO.
 
#86
#86
O-line major concern.
Likely starting a true frosh at RT and your stud oline recruit beaten out by a walk on.

No depth and not exactly strong recruiting for a position of need.
 
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The interior of the OL will be fine, however I'm worried about the tackles. We're either going to have a walk on with limited ability (Gilliam), or an athletic guy with poor pass blocking skills (Blair) protecting the blindside.

On the right side it will either be a true freshman (Thomas) or a redshirt freshman (Kendrick) who got abused in the spring game (See Riley Ferguson sack-fumble).

Those are my concerns. SEC pass rushers are no joke.
 
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MileHighVol said:
The interior of the OL will be fine, however I'm worried about the tackles. We're either going to have a walk on with limited ability (Gilliam), or an athletic guy with poor pass blocking skills (Blair) protecting the blindside.

On the right side it will either be a true freshman (Thomas) or a redshirt freshman (Kendrick) who got abused in the spring game (See Riley Ferguson sack-fumble).

Those are my concerns. SEC pass rushers are no joke.
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The OTs worry me most as well, but in the defense of our RTs, the defense brought the house on that play and Ferguson didn't have the awareness to get rid of the ball early or take off on the play.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Swafford blitzed from the safety spot on that play and ferguson could have stepped up in the pocket.
 
#90
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gunner said:
Not until the gift that keeps on giving stops giving! The we shall move on.
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Well said. Right now he still the stain we can't rub off. Looks like it's gonna take one more year of disinfectant at least.
 
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fade route said:
DL by a mile. When you can't stop the run or get to the QB, then you have a hard time getting off the field, which further compounds the problem of not having quality depth. Which is also a glaring problem we have. The Oline will be fine...not worried about them.
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this.

:good!:
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
The OTs worry me most as well, but in the defense of our RTs, the defense brought the house on that play and Ferguson didn't have the awareness to get rid of the ball early or take off on the play.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Swafford blitzed from the safety spot on that play and ferguson could have stepped up in the pocket.
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They did, Kendrick had Swafford. He got beat like he stole something. Opened his hips up and let him smoke Fergy.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
No but you have to admit, you were pretty judge mental on their first season
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They underperformed the talent on the roster. That hasn't changed. But the point has been made. Last season is now past. AND there have been things happen since that make it look more like a calculation than a question of competence. I still have doubts and questions but they've been mitigated some.

I have a pretty high level of trust in Jones' ability as a HC. I like the OC and most of the staff. The biggest question mark for me is Jancek.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
I find it difficult to believe that Dooley of all people doesnt understand the importance of a run game. If randoms on a forum know it I'm sure the son of a National Championship winning SEC coach knows it. Better than any of us. Now whether or not he was in a situation to get it to be effective is a totally different argument.



I really wish people would go back and watch '12 games without the Gruden Circle-Jerk Glasses on. The D gave the O opportunities in MS ST game too. They forced them to 3 straight punts, and the didn't do anything with it. Even fumbled the ball with like 7-8 mins left in the forth that would have closed the gap to 3-pts a whole 2mins earlier than we ended up doing so, and given us continued momentum. And in the Mizzou game how is it fair to put it all on the D when they held them to 21 until the last min of the game?? The O had multiple tomes to at least put up a FG, and we wouldn't have gone to OT. Y'all include the OT #s to make them look bad and blame it on a squad that played their hearts out even though they were depleted. At the end of the day after the '11 season people wanted games to be closer, and better fought. They were in '12, and if people were to watch the games they would realize it. The Gruden circle jerk, and the heartbreaking tease type games was not a good mix.

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Now to both of yalls "focusing on the run game" comments. It was confirmed on here by DeerPark (AD insider) that the coaching staff would get livid with Bray for not managing the game better. Not listening to them, and going rogue when they wanted to control the game clock with runs etc. And no we couldnt sit Bray like so many wanted to say back then when people like me would make mention of Brays bratty behaviour hurting the team. We can see now that Worley and Peterman weren't ready to take the job. The fact that Dooley had no other option at QB, thx Kiffin, was one of the biggest underlying issues during his era.
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Oskie...not speaking for others on here but you have a fixation on the fans who thought that Gruden was a possible replacement for your demigod...the MNF analyst wasn't THE reason that he failed....the sooner you can reconcile that,the sooner you can dispose of that staph infected knee brace you pilfered from him...the health department's getting calls about the smell :yuck:
 
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