Are you pulling for any of the remaining teams...

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Carp said:
Incorrect. Recruiting is still about success. But now it's about success and money. It's why UGA and Bama is still bringing in a top 3 class every year, despite clearly not being at the top of the NIL game.. Their insiders will even tell you that.

You think Bama is gonna keep a top 5 recruiting class if DeBoer has another 4 loss season in 2025? You are out of your mind if you do. Players want the money for sure. But they also want to go where they feel they will be developed for the next level. It's why OSU and LSU typically gets at least 1 of the top 5 WRs every recruiting cycle. It's why UGA is currently getting every high profile CB/S that they want.
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Then why did we land David Sanders (the #1 OT) over Ohio State and Georgia?

At the end of the day money will win out if you're willing to pay high enough. Obviously when the money is close success matters. But if someone like Phil Knight wants to overpay guess what? The team that pay significantly more will be the team that lands the player most of the time.

We're living in the era for NFL style free agency in college football and last I checked the Kansas City Chiefs don't land every elite free agent in the NFL cause they keep winning Super Bowls. The top free agents in the NFL go to the team offering the most. Same thing is now happening in college. It's about money first and foremost. Everything else comes after.
 
#228
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Carp said:
Again you are not living in reality. The SEC performed poorly last bowl season too. It changed no perceptions.

Hell, the perception on ND hasn't changed despite them really not being relevant for most of the last 40 years. They still get overrated in the rankings every single year.

The SEC has been involved in every single College Football Playoff or BCS National title game in the last 20 years. No one is changing their perception on the SEC.
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I didn't hear the noise I'm hearing about the SEC right now last year. Everyone outside the SEC is celebrating our losses this year. Also I would argue the SEC got less respect this year from the playoff committee than the Big 10. So if you're right about last season then it looks like we did get punished for the poor postseason performance. And if last year is an indicator then we're about to get punished even more this upcoming season from the playoff committee.


And I'll disagree about Notre Dame. That's just a fan talking point. Notre Dame only made the 4 team playoff once and they were undefeated that year. Same thing in 2012 when they played Alabama. They were undefeated. Notre Dame doesn't get any undue love when it comes to playoff seeding. They're usually where they're supposed to be. Even this year they played well outside of the one ugly loss to Northern Illinois.
 
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perico said:
The Big 10 being stronger at the top has no bearing on how the leagues are perceived. The more the mid-tier teams win, the better it is for the conference. This year everyone is losing except for a few so that hurts. Nobody was proclaiming the death of the SEC the year that Clemson absolutely crushed Bama in the playoffs. A total of 4 schools have won a national championship that weren't from the SEC over the last 20 years. This is the first time since 2018 a non-SEC team is likely going to win it. One down year isn't going to change that, despite whatever random Big 10 favoring journalists write.
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I agree with your logic. I just don't think most people will. Especially the media that covers college football who would love nothing more than to bury the SEC and the playoff committee which had a pronounced Big 10 bias this year.

I just better not see you complaining next year about how the committee treats Tennessee cause this postseason will surely have no bearing on how our conference will be perceived next season.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
We need an all SEC Final between Georgia and Texas to save our pathetic conference from total embarrassment.

Between us getting blown out by Ohio State, Alabama looking like trash against Michigan, and South Carolina losing to Illinois, the SEC needs Georgia and Texas in the Final to salvage our reputation. Otherwise we're going into next year being looked at as a lesser conference that won't get the benefit of the doubt when conversations about who deserves to be in the playoffs comes up.
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We didn't get the benefit of doubt this year and we had a strong reputation. The way things have gone, it looks like they got it right.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Then why did we land David Sanders (the #1 OT) over Ohio State and Georgia?

At the end of the day money will win out if you're willing to pay high enough. Obviously when the money is close success matters. But if someone like Phil Knight wants to overpay guess what? The team that pay significantly more will be the team that lands the player most of the time.

We're living in the era for NFL style free agency in college football and last I checked the Kansas City Chiefs don't land every elite free agent in the NFL cause they keep winning Super Bowls. The top free agents in the NFL go to the team offering the most. Same thing is now happening in college. It's about money first and foremost. Everything else comes after.
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Success AND money. Reading comprehension.

NFL players want both when looking for a new team. They literally talk about it all the time. When they are on an losing team, they ask to be traded rather negotiate a for more money.

TN is successful under Huep and we're offering a lot of money.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I didn't hear the noise I'm hearing about the SEC right now last year. Everyone outside the SEC is celebrating our losses this year. Also I would argue the SEC got less respect this year from the playoff committee than the Big 10. So if you're right about last season then it looks like we did get punished for the poor postseason performance. And if last year is an indicator then we're about to get punished even more this upcoming season from the playoff committee.


And I'll disagree about Notre Dame. That's just a fan talking point. Notre Dame only made the 4 team playoff once and they were undefeated that year. Same thing in 2012 when they played Alabama. They were undefeated. Notre Dame doesn't get any undue love when it comes to playoff seeding. They're usually where they're supposed to be. Even this year they played well outside of the one ugly loss to Northern Illinois.
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No. That's your own recency bias. When other conferences start churning out more NFL draft picks than the SEC, maybe you'll have a point.

And ND constantly gets overrated. That's has nothing to do with their overall talent, and everything to do with their schedule.
 
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Of the four teams still in it, Texas bothers me the least if they win it all. The other 3 are equally and historically in my eyes pieces of crap that deserve to be flushed until they go away.
 
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Believe it or not I'm rooting for ND. I like their coach, hope he goes to the NFL. Like their RB also. But I think it's OSU's to lose. Their WRs room reminds me of the Jefferson/Chase or Judy/Smith/Ruggs/Waddle.
 
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ASU was my backup plan after Vols exit since they are the local team here and my kids attended. I can’t think of 3 teams I despise more than ND, OSU and PSU. Not a fan of fake UT, but for some strange reason, they don’t bother me quite as much as the others. OSU and PSU are absolutely non negotiable, so the lesser of the evils would be TX and maybe even ND. I agree with calling the season a wrap and focusing on BB though.
 
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Carp said:
Success AND money. Reading comprehension.

NFL players want both when looking for a new team. They literally talk about it all the time. When they are on an losing team, they ask to be traded rather negotiate a for more money.

TN is successful under Huep and we're offering a lot of money.
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Talk is cheap. Players will say what sounds good. The reality is no athlete leaves a lot of money on the table. Sure when the money is close other factors can come into play. Nobody is denying that. However, athletes RARELY leave substantial money on the table. Look no further that Bryce Underwood just this year. He was committed to LSU until the money from Michigan became too much to ignore. And that's the way recruiting works now. Sure you might have to pay a premium if you're the team that has had less success but where there's a will to pay there's now a way.
 
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C-south said:
Jeremiah Smith is like a mix of Calvin Johnson and David Boston.
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Calvin Johnson was 6'5" 237 lbs and ran 4.35 at the combine. Nobody is that. And definitely not a 6'3" 220 lbs receiver who looks to have 4.5 speed at best.

Jeremiah Smith is more like Larry Fitzgerald. Big possession receiver who can stretch the field but isn't a burner like Calvin Johnson.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Talk is cheap. Players will say what sounds good. The reality is no athlete leaves a lot of money on the table. Sure when the money is close other factors can come into play. Nobody is denying that. However, athletes RARELY leave substantial money on the table. Look no further that Bryce Underwood just this year. He was committed to LSU until the money from Michigan became too much to ignore. And that's the way recruiting works now. Sure you might have to pay a premium if you're the team that has had less success but where there's a will to pay there's now a way.
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Underwood is literally from Michigan. And Michigan just won a natty....
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I agree with your logic. I just don't think most people will. Especially the media that covers college football who would love nothing more than to bury the SEC and the playoff committee which had a pronounced Big 10 bias this year.

I just better not see you complaining next year about how the committee treats Tennessee cause this postseason will surely have no bearing on how our conference will be perceived next season.
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It won’t. The SEC will still put 100 players into the NFL.

2023- Michigan wins title
2024 preseason- SEC strong
 
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Nicovfl8 said:
Ok not BIG homer, what I meant was why would u pull for other conferences and make your conference look bad.
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Tennessee can have a top 15 recruiting class and still be 5th or 6th in the SEC. We need to start bringing in guys that Alabama/Georgia/Texas/LSU/Oklahoma bring in. Probably throw in Florida and Miss. Same thing for portal transfers. We compete against these other SEC teams for the same players. Why should we hope they continue with their success? One way to do that is for these teams to fall on hard times, and get kicked around a little in these bowl games. Year after year, the SEC will always be in the talk for best conference. Big 10 will occasionally get their time in the sun. Let Ohio State brag about their wonderful 2-13 bowl record against the SEC. It just makes them look foolish.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Calvin Johnson was 6'5" 237 lbs and ran 4.35 at the combine. Nobody is that. And definitely not a 6'3" 220 lbs receiver who looks to have 4.5 speed at best.

Jeremiah Smith is more like Larry Fitzgerald. Big possession receiver who can stretch the field but isn't a burner like Calvin Johnson.
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NFL draft scouts have Jeremiah Smiths low time at 4.3, high time of 4.46, and time (whatever that means...probably average) at 4.37..... 247 has him and Isaiah Bonds as two of the fastest players in CFB. That's pretty fast.
 
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atilla said:
NFL draft scouts have Jeremiah Smiths low time at 4.3, high time of 4.46, and time (whatever that means...probably average) at 4.37..... 247 has him and Isaiah Bonds as two of the fastest players in CFB. That's pretty fast.
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He's yet to run any verified times. This article says he's got 4.5 speed in the 40: Jeremiah Smith greatness on display for Ohio State in Rose Bowl win over Oregon | Oller.

Also his personal best in the 200 meters in high school was 22.08: https://247sports.com/player/jeremiah-smith-46114094/

Ryan Williams on the other hand has a best in the 200 meters of 21.28: https://247sports.com/player/ryan-williams-46127941/

That's exactly 40 seconds faster than Jeremiah Smith. If Smith has 4.3 speed then what's Ryan Williams running? 3.9 in the 40? LOL.



Jeremiah Smith is not a burner. He's probably at best a low 4.5 in the 40. Not slow by any stretch but not elite track speed like Ryan Williams or Ryan Wingo. It's why my comparison for him was Larry Fitzgerald. People want Jeremiah Smith to be better than he really is. He's elite no doubt. But he's not on the level of guys like Calvin Johnson and Julio Jones who are just a level above.
 
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