Argue the merits of Bruce Pearl (merged)

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oh i totally agree that brucey isnt a national championship type coach. but firing a coach who wins games is very Kenturkey like wouldnt u say
 
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I respect both sides of the argument here, but finding myself watching entire Vol bball games on the internet is something I never thought I would be doing. I agree Pearl seems to lack making the proper adjustments on the fly, but I am quite pleased with his tenure thus far. I attended UT in the late 80's and have never had the passion for UT Basketball as I have had for the last few years. And for that I am grateful to CBP. He seems to have had success in most coaching jobs he has had, and I am willing to overlook our apparent shortcomings this season. I'll take one and done in the tourney over going deep in the NIT any year. Not saying I could get used to it, but I am willing to give this guy the time he deserves. I am certainly not a student of the game like many on this board, but for this more than casual fan, I still like what I see.
 
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There are alot of good points in these posts. I think the biggest is someone mentioned the lack of ability for pearl to adjust to personnel, especially on the offensive end. Lets remember before Tennessee cbp was not at a place where there were guards such as Chris and Juan or mc'ds all americans. Therefore his teams have been based on OVER ACHIEVEMENT. He would hide his teams lack of talent and the other teams advantages by speeding the game up creating alot of turnovers and converting with easy buckets.

He realized early in the season this team couldn't do that. It wouldn't take a great coach to realize that this is not a pressing team...heck it wouldn't take a coach period. Maybe it is a good sign that he is willing and able to change his style of play for his personnel we just need to see it a little more on the offensive end.

That being said I really like cbp and his philosophies to overachieve... the problem is from this point on we are expected to be better.
 
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orangetanker11 said:
Not what I was referring to. I'm talking about prestige.
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it doesn't make a difference. Ben Howland didn't get guys to UCLA because John Wooden won a bunch of games there long before these kids were even born, he got them there because he's that kind of coach.

Duke didn't have anything close to the prestige it has now before K got them there.

No one cared about Louisville before Pitino. Pitino is getting kids to Louisville because he's Pitino.

The list goes on.
 
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Volhawk said:
So what? Who cares where we were 4-5 years ago. Different regime then. Doesn't mean you shouldn't demand excellence now.

sounds like a cop out to me.
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We are getting great Basketball. Just not good enough for you I guess.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Denny Crum and his two national championships say otherwise.
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but, as with UCLA, no one that Pitino recruited there cared that Denny Crum won a title in 1980 and 1986. What was more relevant was the fact that Crum hadn't had a 20 win season in 4 years and had two losing seasons during that span. I thought a lawyer with all your prestige could piece that part of the puzzle together.
 
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It blows my mind to see some of you saying stuff about CBP. Why are you hating on him so much? He has taken this program from a joke to being a contender every year. Sure we aren't going to make it to the finals of the NCAA tournament every year, but give him another year and see what he does. Now, if he doesn't produce next year, then I can see maybe taking a look at our options as far as other coaches go, but dang guys, cut him some slack. This is his worst year and honestly it hasn't even been that bad. Sure i've been pissed as hell at some of the games this year, but look at our program before he got here.....Was there even a basketball forum on this site? I doubt it, because I'm sure not a lot of people were interested in it.
 
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volfanbill said:
it doesn't make a difference. Ben Howland didn't get guys to UCLA because John Wooden won a bunch of games there long before these kids were even born, he got them there because he's that kind of coach.

Duke didn't have anything close to the prestige it has now before K got them there.

No one cared about Louisville before Pitino. Pitino is getting kids to Louisville because he's Pitino.

The list goes on.
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The point I am trying to make as that we can't now, or maybe ever, recruit on the same level as these schools. The only way I could see us recruiting on the same level is if we hired a Pitino, Roy Williams, John Calipari, or Coach K type of coach. And friends, that is not going to happen.
 
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orangetanker11 said:
The point I am trying to make as that we can't now, or maybe ever, recruit on the same level as these schools. The only way I could see us recruiting on the same level is if we hired a Pitino, Roy Williams, John Calipari, or Coach K type of coach. And friends, that is not going to happen.
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why not? The Pitinos, Williams, Caliparis and Ks of the coaching all worked themselves up to who they are now and have been successful all along for the most part. You don't have to hire Coach K, you have to be able to find the next Coach K.
 
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volfanbill said:
why not? The Pitinos, Williams, Caliparis and Ks of the coaching all worked themselves up to who they are now and have been successful all along for the most part. You don't have to hire Coach K, you have to be able to find the next Coach K.
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Ok, I can agree with that. So, that goes back to my original question. Since Bruce Pearl "isn't the guy," then WHO is? I know many fans out there either A) didn't like Pearl to begin with, or B) think he cannot take us to the next level and want someone new. I think asking fans from either category WHO we could get that would be a better coach isn't too much to ask.
 
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orangetanker11 said:
Ok, I can agree with that. So, that goes back to my original question. Since Bruce Pearl "isn't the guy," then WHO is? I know many fans out there either A) didn't like Pearl to begin with, or B) think he cannot take us to the next level and want someone new. I think asking fans from either category WHO we could get that would be a better coach isn't too much to ask.
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If I thought either would leave their current position I would love to see Bobby Gonzalez or Andy Kennedy on the Tennessee bench
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volfanbill said:
but, as with UCLA, no one that Pitino recruited there cared that Denny Crum won a title in 1980 and 1986. What was more relevant was the fact that Crum hadn't had a 20 win season in 4 years and had two losing seasons during that span. I thought a lawyer with all your prestige could piece that part of the puzzle together.
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At their lowest ebb, Louisville was still on national TV all the time and signing top 100 players. At no point in the last 30 years has Louisville been irrelevant.
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volfanbill said:
it doesn't make a difference. Ben Howland didn't get guys to UCLA because John Wooden won a bunch of games there long before these kids were even born, he got them there because he's that kind of coach.

Duke didn't have anything close to the prestige it has now before K got them there.

No one cared about Louisville before Pitino. Pitino is getting kids to Louisville because he's Pitino.

The list goes on.
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You are crazy if you think UCLA's tradition doesn't mean anything--and that it's only Howland who gets players to UCLA. How about UNC? When recruits go to these schools, they are taken to see the hardware from past championships--the big trophies and all the rest. I'm quite sure it impresses. Tradition alone doesn't get you players, and keep you successful, but it sure as hell helps. That is why the SEC rakes in players in football but isn't so good in basketball.
 
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Programs CAN be built: Look at Connecticut. They were nothing--unless you count Yankee Conferences champs for several years in the 1960s and 70s--before Calhoun got there. He built that program from the ground up--but it took him 10 years at least before the huskies were a regular threat in the NCAA. It does not happen quickly--but incrementally. He sold his early recruits on playing in the Big East rather than at Ct. The problem a lot of programs have is that, if they get a good coach, chances are he will leave for a better situation--and that disruption often fouls up the progress of the program. Had Calhoun left Ct. for a better job after, say, six years, the huskies would probably be nothing today. But he stayed--he's been there for more than 20 years--and that continuity has helped immensely. If Pearl stays at UT for a considerable time, the Vols might become a real basketball program. If he leaves after another two years or whatever, it could be back to square one...
 
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armchairvol said:
Programs CAN be built: Look at Connecticut. They were nothing--unless you count Yankee Conferences champs for several years in the 1960s and 70s--before Calhoun got there. He built that program from the ground up--but it took him 10 years at least before the huskies were a regular threat in the NCAA. It does not happen quickly--but incrementally. He sold his early recruits on playing in the Big East rather than at Ct. The problem a lot of programs have is that, if they get a good coach, chances are he will leave for a better situation--and that disruption often fouls up the progress of the program. Had Calhoun left Ct. for a better job after, say, six years, the huskies would probably be nothing today. But he stayed--he's been there for more than 20 years--and that continuity has helped immensely. If Pearl stays at UT for a considerable time, the Vols might become a real basketball program. If he leaves after another two years or whatever, it could be back to square one...
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Why?
 
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emainvol said:
If I thought either would leave their current position I would love to see Bobby Gonzalez or Andy Kennedy on the Tennessee bench
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I could see Gonzalez leaving Seton Hall. Please tell me we are talking about Andy "Cabbie Punching, Racial Slur Spewing" Kennedy. (allegedly a "Cabbie Punching, Racial Slur Spewer")
 
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orangetanker11 said:
I could see Gonzalez leaving Seton Hall. Please tell me we are talking about Andy "Cabbie Punching, Racial Slur Spewing" Kennedy. (allegedly a "Cabbie Punching, Racial Slur Spewer")
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Yes, that Andy Kennedy (although those allegations turned out to be false, to my knowledge). I think Gonzalez likes the New York/New Jersey area.
 
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