Argue the merits of Bruce Pearl (merged)

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#301
utvolpj said:
I firmly believe that some coaches are builders and some are next-level guys. CBP has done an admirable job getting UT on the map but he is not a guy who will take your program to the next level. If UT is serious about bball they need a next-level guy. Winning will excite the fanbase more than antics will.
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Simple question...who would it be? Who would UT bring in as a "next-level guy?"
 
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orangetanker11 said:
Simple question...who would it be? Who would UT bring in as a "next-level guy?"
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I don't know coaches that well. However, when someone who does know them says that UT, now that they have upped the ante, would be able to land one of a dozen better coaches then I listen.

Simple questions- (1) do you think CBP is the best UT can hope for and (2) was there not anything that happened on Sunday that made you question his coaching ability?
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't know coaches that well. However, when someone who does know them says that UT, now that they have upped the ante, would be able to land one of a dozen better coaches then I listen.

Simple questions- (1) do you think CBP is the best UT can hope for and (2) was there not anything that happened on Sunday that made you question his coaching ability?
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1) For right now and the forseeable future? Seeing that UT is not a Duke, UNC, Indiana, Louisville, UCLA, Michigan State caliber basketball school, Pearl is definitely the best I can hope for.

2) No. Quite frankly, Pearl is no Coach K. He's no Roy Williams. But UT will lose in the recruiting battle to these schools every year regardless of who our coach is. This may change many years down the road, but I highly doubt it. J.P Prince is a problem. Tyler Smith made terrible decisions yesterday and was horrible from the field. In J.P Prince, you have a terrible decision maker. Pearl could bench him indefinitely, but who do you bring in as his replacement? Cameron Tatum? The guy can shoot, but his defense is much worse than Prince's. Woolridge? No defense. From what I've seen, there is a huge problem with a few of the guys we have out there with their decision making. I don't think all of the blame falls on the coach, but in any game, you can point out a flaw in the coaching with any team, especially in a loss.

Let me ask you this...if Bruce Pearl had the UNC players and Roy Williams had the UT players, who would be ranked higher or be considered the better team?

I think many fans are being unfair to CBP, but I guess if you reach #1 in a short time at a school, the fans demand to be there every year.
 
#306
#306
player's coach? I fear that he is. The most successful coaches, by my estimation, are tough hombres. Calhoun--very tough; Boeheim, pretty tough; Coach K--much tougher than his image (spent time at Army), several others (mich. state). They don't tolerate consistently undisciplined play of a type that characterizes the Vols. Can the Vols win a tough, half-court game against a disciplined team that plays good defense--maybe a zone defense? That's the problem. What did Pearl say was the problem yesterday? No patience. Man, if you can't play with patience on offense, then you're gonna get your ass kicked fairly regularly, because the best teams tend to be disciplined.
 
#307
#307
Pearl is a great promoter, fairly good recruiter. I think his main problem is that he isn't an "x & o's" coach and doesn't instill a sense of discipline and accountability in his players. Overall I would say he is much better than average but not a top tier guy, and by top tier i mean top 10 coach.
 
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In response, I suppose we should consider the type of offense we run, the Flex. The flex is predicated on spacing and excellent perimeter shooting.

The question would be...was Pearl a good X's and O's coach with Lofton and Smith dropping bombs from all over the court?

It appears to me Pearl needs to find a hybrid system including the flex principles incorporating Memphis' dribble drive concept. With the athletes we have (and the lack of any lights out shooters) it only makes sense to find a happy median. If we look back at the most recent Florida game and the final South Carolina game, these principles led to an outstanding performance.

It might be prudent to find and sign a pure shooter in next year's class as a compliment to the tremendous stable of athletes we have, IMO.
 
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#310
Pearl is the best coach in UT history imo. We just don't have a real point guard this year- through no fault of Pearl
 
#312
#312
My thoughts on Pearl being a good and not great coach stem from this year and his lack of ability to adjust his game plan to the players on the court. We are missing two key components to the Pearl offense, point and outside shooting, outside shooting being the most crucial.
 
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KB5252 said:
My thoughts on Pearl being a good and not great coach stem from this year and his lack of ability to adjust his game plan to the players on the court. We are missing two key components to the Pearl offense, point and outside shooting, outside shooting being the most crucial.
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I agree. I don't know the exact stat, but they bricked a plethora of 3's against Mississippi state.
 
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KB5252 said:
My thoughts on Pearl being a good and not great coach stem from this year and his lack of ability to adjust his game plan to the players on the court. We are missing two key components to the Pearl offense, point and outside shooting, outside shooting being the most crucial.
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I agree that he took a long time to adjust with the personnel that he has, but we are always a dangerous tourny team with our style of play.
 
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orangetanker11 said:
1) For right now and the forseeable future? Seeing that UT is not a Duke, UNC, Indiana, Louisville, UCLA, Michigan State caliber basketball school, Pearl is definitely the best I can hope for.

2) No. Quite frankly, Pearl is no Coach K. He's no Roy Williams. But UT will lose in the recruiting battle to these schools every year regardless of who our coach is. This may change many years down the road, but I highly doubt it. J.P Prince is a problem. Tyler Smith made terrible decisions yesterday and was horrible from the field. In J.P Prince, you have a terrible decision maker. Pearl could bench him indefinitely, but who do you bring in as his replacement? Cameron Tatum? The guy can shoot, but his defense is much worse than Prince's. Woolridge? No defense. From what I've seen, there is a huge problem with a few of the guys we have out there with their decision making. I don't think all of the blame falls on the coach, but in any game, you can point out a flaw in the coaching with any team, especially in a loss.

Let me ask you this...if Bruce Pearl had the UNC players and Roy Williams had the UT players, who would be ranked higher or be considered the better team?

I think many fans are being unfair to CBP, but I guess if you reach #1 in a short time at a school, the fans demand to be there every year.
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Louisville, Duke, UCLA and Indiana were in worse shape than UT is right now when they made their last coaching changes. UNC wasn't too far ahead.
 
#317
#317
This post is rediculous. Pearl is not a good coach, but a great coach. I wouldn't trade for any single other coach in the country.
 
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volglass said:
Pearl is the best coach in UT history imo. We just don't have a real point guard this year- through no fault of Pearl
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How is it not Bruce Pearl's fault that we don't have a PG? Recruiting is part of the job.

Also, I wasn't around for Ray Mears, but have learned enough about him to take exception to anyone else being considered the greatest coach in UT history.
 
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emainvol said:
How is it not Bruce Pearl's fault that we don't have a PG? Recruiting is part of the job.

Also, I wasn't around for Ray Mears, but have learned enough about him to take exception to anyone else being considered the greatest coach in UT history.
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See Ramar Smith and Daniel West this year, neither his fault. Selby coming in next year for depth.
 
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volglass said:
See Ramar Smith and Daniel West this year, neither his fault. Selby coming in next year for depth.
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So, are you saying Bruce Pearl didn't know Ramar had possible character issues and Daniel West might not qualify when he recruited them?
 
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beavbullvol said:
In response, I suppose we should consider the type of offense we run, the Flex. The flex is predicated on spacing and excellent perimeter shooting.

The question would be...was Pearl a good X's and O's coach with Lofton and Smith dropping bombs from all over the court?

It appears to me Pearl needs to find a hybrid system including the flex principles incorporating Memphis' dribble drive concept. With the athletes we have (and the lack of any lights out shooters) it only makes sense to find a happy median. If we look back at the most recent Florida game and the final South Carolina game, these principles led to an outstanding performance.

It might be prudent to find and sign a pure shooter in next year's class as a compliment to the tremendous stable of athletes we have, IMO.
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basketball is about some level of decent shooting no doubt about it, regardless of offense.

The flex is not at all about good perimeter shooting. It's about good screening and effective screen setups with hard cuts. It's simply a style of motion offense that is about downpick, spread, backcut and options.
 
#322
#322
beavbullvol said:
In response, I suppose we should consider the type of offense we run, the Flex. The flex is predicated on spacing and excellent perimeter shooting.

The question would be...was Pearl a good X's and O's coach with Lofton and Smith dropping bombs from all over the court?

It appears to me Pearl needs to find a hybrid system including the flex principles incorporating Memphis' dribble drive concept. With the athletes we have (and the lack of any lights out shooters) it only makes sense to find a happy median. If we look back at the most recent Florida game and the final South Carolina game, these principles led to an outstanding performance.

It might be prudent to find and sign a pure shooter in next year's class as a compliment to the tremendous stable of athletes we have, IMO.
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Not to nitpick, but the flex is mainly predicated on interchangeable parts, particularly big men who can be at home on top. We have that in Smith and Chism. It is also predicated on precision, physicality, and patience, three things we are sorely lacking. Most of the action should come off of the flex screen under the basket, with the corners and the top opening up when defenses adjust to that. That is where jump shooting should complement the offense, not be the focus of it.

The flex is a fine concept, but I haven't seen us run it well pretty much ever, and it looks to me like we haven't been trying to run much of it at all late in the season. There have been a lot more sets for specific players and ball screens.

You are correct in one aspect--unlike last year, we can no longer pretend to screen for three cycles, then have Lofton or Jujuan shoot us out of a bad offensive set. Memphis' "dribble drive" concept won't work because we don't have anybody who can dribble drive.

A shooter would help, but the half-court offense still stinks. It hasn't been a strength of Pearl's teams since he has been in Knoxville, and with weaknesses at guard, it shouldn't be a surprise that it isn't very good now.
 
#323
#323
I'm sure he knew that West may not qualify early on, but the NCAA decision not to let him play was just before the season started leaving BP little time to do anything. Ramar would've been one of the best point guards in the SEC if he could've stayed off the drugs. Are you blaming Pearl for that guy not staying clean?? Do you always blame the coach for giving a talented kid a chance to play and get an education only to see the kid make a bad decision and blow it?
 
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volglass said:
I'm sure he knew that West may not qualify early on, but the NCAA decision not to let him play was just before the season started leaving BP little time to do anything. Ramar would've been one of the best point guards in the SEC if he could've stayed off the drugs. Are you blaming Pearl for that guy not staying clean?? Do you always blame the coach for giving a talented kid a chance to play and get an education only to see the kid make a bad decision and blow it?
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That's laughable. Ramar's game regressed more from his freshman to sophomore year than anybody else I can remember. At the rate he was going, he wouldn't be able to walk the ball up the court without losing it out of bounds by his senior season.
 
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#325
jjay2518 said:
That's laughable. Ramar's game regressed more from his freshman to sophomore year than anybody else I can remember. At the rate he was going, he wouldn't be able to walk the ball up the court without losing it out of bounds by his senior season.
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hence the comment about drugs
 
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