Arizona Election Audit

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AshG said:
If being conservative means holding faith and family as sacred, seeing life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as inalienable rights, standing up for the freedom to speak without fear of retribution by the government and for the right to bear arms to protect oneself and ones family, desiring smaller, leaner, fiscally responsible government with less encroachment into my personal life, and believing there is nobility and honor found in serving one's country as a member of the armed forces? Yeah. That's me.

If being a conservative means having distrust and disdain for those who think differently than I do, clinging to media sources that keep me angry while mocking people who are different than I am, gatekeeping others so that I can more easily outgroup them, seeing self as the center of the universe and self gain as the goal, and lacking any desire to help those in need because it's their fault they're in this mess? Who in their right mind would want any part of that?
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Your last paragraph describes many of this forum's right wingers. Your first paragraph describes those who espouse classic liberalism
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Not gate keeping at all. He claimed he is a moderate conservative, I would like to know what conservative ideals he has. I suspect not many. Just like you, you claim to be a moderate but I've not seen much from you that proves that.

I, for the life of me don't understand why liberals are so ashamed of their idealogical stances.
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Can you please provide an example of Septic's posts that suggest he's anything but a moderate?
 
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Septic said:
So all of the red areas in flyover country need to be audited, since it's mostly red. Can't trust the righties.

What's good for the goose...
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Absolutely.
Let’s audit everyone.

Your side won’t want to do that though. If they find righties cheating then that proves the elections are not secure.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Lol. I've been on this board long enough to know where he falls. It's funny that the liberals are the ones always defending him. 🙄
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I'm not a liberal and I'm not defending him. Just stating facts. He might disagree with your take on things, but that doesn't make him a liberal
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
I'm not a liberal and I'm not defending him. Just stating facts. He might disagree with your take on things, but that doesn't make him a liberal
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InVOLuntary said:
Can you post anything of Septic's that suggest he's anything but a liberal?
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Exactly. Sep suggesting Biden is a unaccomplished buffoon whose family is juicing the government is not stepping off a ledge of progressism into moderate land. Pretty much everyone knows Biden is an unaccompished buffoon whose family is juicing the government and it's obvious to anyone who has a spoonful of credibility or who has paid attention longer than 5 minutes.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Not gate keeping at all. He claimed he is a moderate conservative, I would like to know what conservative ideals he has. I suspect not many. Just like you, you claim to be a moderate but I've not seen much from you that proves that.

I, for the life of me don't understand why liberals are so ashamed of their idealogical stances.
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I can't figure out why you're so adamant about assigning labels or otherwise putting people in a box. If you want to think I'm a liberal, g'head. Though, Im probably further right of you on fiscal conservatism, probably own more guns too.

Your desperate need to employ tribalism demonstrates a desperate need to belong, which is sad. Believing you can gatekeep what makes someone a liberal, conservative or moderate is a fools errand. You look silly, no one cares about your nonsensical barometers.

You, like so many of your mouth breathing red hat wearing compatriots have conflated my absolute disdain for Donny as support for the AOC, Bidens of the world. You are clearly too shallow to reconcile that that conflation is where you keep stepping on your dick. Politics and partisanship is shades of gray, only morons view it as black and white.
 
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Septic said:
I can't figure out why you're so adamant about assigning labels or otherwise putting people in a box. If you want to think I'm a liberal, g'head. Though, Im probably further right of you on fiscal conservatism, probably own more guns too.

Your desperate need to employ tribalism demonstrates a desperate need to belong, which is sad. Believing you can gatekeep what makes someone a liberal, conservative or moderate is a fools errand. You look silly, no one cares about your nonsensical barometers.
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The only think silly are your post. You attack conservatives and defend liberals on a daily basis. I seriously doubt your more fiscally conservative than I. Unless you want to defend virtually all social programs, totally eliminate federal enrollment in education. Totally remove lifetime insurance and other benefits of politicians. Our federal government should be limited to defense basically. As to defense, I'm all for a strong military but against wars on foreign soil.

As to guns, I seriously doubt it. I own many ARs, I assemble them. Numerous calibers. Many handguns, in probably 10 different calibers.

Like I said, I didn't mean to insult. You can be whatever the heck you want to be.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Exactly. Sep suggesting Biden is a unaccomplished buffoon whose family is juicing the government is not stepping off a ledge of progressism into moderate land. Pretty much everyone knows Biden is an unaccompished buffoon whose family is juicing the government and it's obvious to anyone who has a spoonful of credibility or who has paid attention longer than 5 minutes.
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And he's guilty of everything he claims he hates Trump for.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Exactly. Sep suggesting Biden is a unaccomplished buffoon whose family is juicing the government is not stepping off a ledge of progressism into moderate land. Pretty much everyone knows Biden is an unaccompished buffoon whose family is juicing the government and it's obvious to anyone who has a spoonful of credibility or who has paid attention longer than 5 minutes.
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I never said he was unaccomplished. I said he was old, senile and a career government leach, iirc.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
The only think silly are your post. You attack conservatives and defend liberals on a daily basis. I seriously doubt your more fiscally conservative than I. Unless you want to defend virtually all social programs, totally eliminate federal enrollment in education. Totally remove lifetime insurance and other benefits of politicians. Our federal government should be limited to defense basically. As to defense, I'm all for a strong military but against wars on foreign soil.

As to guns, I seriously doubt it. I own many ARs, I assemble them. Numerous calibers. Many handguns, in probably 10 different calibers.

Like I said, I didn't mean to insult. You can be whatever the heck you want to be.
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There you go gatekeeping again, you just can't help yourself. Good for you fella, I'm sure your tribe is impressed with your ability to spot outsiders.
 
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Septic said:
There you go gatekeeping again, you just can't help yourself. Good for you fella, I'm sure your tribe is impressed with your ability to spot outsiders.
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If you're going to stand for something be proud of it. No gatekeeping here. Nothing wrong with being a liberal. I have many liberal friends and family. We get along fine. Everyone is welcome. I just have a difficult time understanding why many seem embarrassed by their stances.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
I'm not a liberal and I'm not defending him. Just stating facts. He might disagree with your take on things, but that doesn't make him a liberal
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Anyone who think differently or has other opinions is the enemy. I think it makes them feel better about thier worldview by applying labels they can only use as a pejorative.

The difference here is that I don't see "conservative" as a slight, whereas many like this guy will only view the term "liberal" as an insult, which is why he desperately feels the need to apply it to someone who is torching his ass in a argument that challenges his beliefs.
 
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Septic said:
Anyone who think differently or has other opinions is the enemy. I think it makes them feel better about thier worldview by applying labels they can only use as a pejorative.

The difference here is that I don't see "conservative" as a slight, whereas many like this guy will only view the term "liberal" as an insult, which is why he desperately feels the need to apply it to someone who is torching his ass in a argument that challenges his beliefs.
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No that's not true. When your opinion is 99% liberal, you're a liberal.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
If you're going to stand for something be proud of it. No gatekeeping here. Nothing wrong with being a liberal. I have many liberal friends and family. We get along fine. Everyone is welcome. I just have a difficult time understanding why many seem embarrassed by their stances.
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Only a dumbass would think he is embarrassed.
 
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