Arizona Election Audit

[DinkinFlicka]

They know that but would absolutely never admit it. You'd have better luck arguing with a pile of dog poop then certain people in here. I try not to waste to much of my time entertaining these type.

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Coming from you. You know you're one of the fringe guys on here, right? Do you at least have that much self-awareness?

 

[AshG]

Keep believing that.

I am not saying there was collusion.

I am saying there are reams of documentation and mountains of evidence.

Why do so many discount what exists?

 

[BowlBrother85]

Try again. Those audits were nothing more than machine/software checks. Ballot by ballot is the only good way to find fraud.
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That isn't true when systemic fraud of a widespread nature, significant enough to alter the outcome of a statewide election is being alleged, as is the case in Maricopa County. Ballot by ballot is the only way to uncover individual cases of fraud, but those would be isolated, not systemic.

 

[utvolpj]

Keep believing that.

It's pretty well documented what happened

 

[VolinWayne]

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Coming from you. You know you're one of the fringe guys on here, right? Do you at least have that much self-awareness?

Ha ha I'm laughing hilariously at you calling me fringe. I've heard it all now. Can't wait to tell my wife and kids what I've become.
I do love God, my family and my country so I guess in your eyes I am indeed probably pretty far out there

 

[Orangeburst]

It's pretty well documented what happened

Not the narrative that it "impacted the election results".
Nations of all flavor do it every cyle.
And personally I am rather more concerned with our own mdeia doing it to us everyday

 

[utvolpj]

Not the narrative that it "impacted the election results".
Nations of all flavor do it every cyle.
And personally I am rather more concerned with our own mdeia doing it to us everyday

It's almost impossible for it not to have affected them. Even moreso when you put 2 extremely divisive candidates as the choices

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

I agree. Don’t know the back story on how CN was selected. Looks like most of the grunt work was done by volunteers.

They were selected because the CEO of CN had already come out and said he believes there was fraud. They didn't want to hire a company that was unbiased and had experience, they definitely could have. But instead they hired someone who they thought would make sure to find what they wanted them to find.

I have no problem with an audit. If there is fraud it should be found and we should do something about it. I just think it should be conducted by an unbiased, reputable company.

Experts or 'grifters'? Little-known firm runs Arizona audit

 

[Orangeburst]

It's almost impossible for it not to have affected them. Even moreso when you put 2 extremely divisive candidates as the choices

You have something to back that up?

 

[utvolpj]

You have something to back that up?

Yes, common sense and I watched it happen

 

[Orangeburst]

Yes, common sense and I watched it happen

Common sense only to point of your opinion.
Lets say trhey did affect the numbers..how much? In such a closely contested election in which a certain "few" number of votes determine an election, then just a "few" fraudulent votes can swing the election.

 

[utvolpj]

Common sense only to point of your opinion.
Lets say trhey did affect the numbers..how much? In such a closely contested election in which a certain "few" number of votes determine an election, then just a "few" fraudulent votes can swing the election.

No one is saying they put in fraudulent votes. This was about an effort to cause extreme division in this country. That worked and their efforts are documented

 

[Orangeburst]

No one is saying they put in fraudulent votes. This was about an effort to cause extreme division in this country.

I am comparing the 2015 results of propoganda to the 2020 results of fraud. Goose and gander, unless you are actually advocating that the Russian campaign was of such vast significance to affect the outcome.

Extreme division and camps happened way before 2016. You will never convince me someone voted for Trump because of some Russian SM

 

[SlingBlayde]

That isn't true when systemic fraud of a widespread nature, significant enough to alter the outcome of a statewide election is being alleged, as is the case in Maricopa County. Ballot by ballot is the only way to uncover individual cases of fraud, but those would be isolated, not systemic.

I disagree. If fake ballots were used or if ballots were scanned multiple times the only way to know would be an actual ballot examination and count.

 

[SlingBlayde]

They were selected because the CEO of CN had already come out and said he believes there was fraud. They didn't want to hire a company that was unbiased and had experience, they definitely could have. But instead they hired someone who they thought would make sure to find what they wanted them to find.

I have no problem with an audit. If there is fraud it should be found and we should do something about it. I just think it should be conducted by an unbiased, reputable company.

Experts or 'grifters'? Little-known firm runs Arizona audit

They are pretty stupid then. I would have gotten the most snow white company I could find knowing the amount of scrutiny the audit results would get should something be found. Anyway, I think I’m done in this thread for a while. We all have our opinions which isn’t worth much at the end of the day. I’ll leave the debating to septic tank lol.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I disagree. If fake ballots were used or if ballots were scanned multiple times the only way to know would be an actual ballot examination and count.

That wouldn't be a systemic problem, but an individual problem which happened to involve multiple votes... but this (unlikely) scenario would not be substantial enough to alter the outcome in Arizona.

 

[Orangeburst]

That wouldn't be a systemic problem, but an individual problem which happened to involve multiple votes... but this (unlikely) scenario would not be substantial enough to alter the outcome in Arizona.

Why do you care so much? No systemic fraud,,win for your party..systemic fraud,,win for integrity

 

[BowlBrother85]

Ha ha I'm laughing hilariously at you calling me fringe. I've heard it all now. Can't wait to tell my wife and kids what I've become.
I do love God, my family and my country so I guess in your eyes I am indeed probably pretty far out there

You definitely post material from sources who could be accurately described as being from the fringe of the far right.

 

[hUTch2002]

I like the “just a few counties” comment at the end. Despite all the boasts by the anti-Trump regime this election pretty much came down to 5 cities and a total of like 200,000 votes or so.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Why do you care so much? No systemic fraud,,win for your party..systemic fraud,,win for integrity

Why do you care? Why does anyone care?

These "audits" have nothing to do with the integrity of American elections. In order to believe that, you would need to believe that Donald Trump would eventually accept defeat as a valid result after every hoop had been jumped through... and he won't. His ego comes first.

These audits are Republican Party fundraising ploys.

 

[hUTch2002]

"StArT |n GurGIA"

Maybe you guys would like to hire Mike Lindell and a random taco bell staff to conduct that one?

I’ll man the Taco Bell while they’re gone. I’ll gain like 50 lbs in week!

 

[hUTch2002]

People turn out to vote against much more than they do for. Remember all those "mean tweets" that were mocked as being insignificant?

Also, don't trot out brainless and stupid as digs when you're propping up Trump - it doesn't carry the weight you think it does. Also, Trump was losing in just about every poll before the election too, do we need to audit those as well? In fact, trump out performed the polls and only lost by 4.5 when the polls indicated 7.2%, clearly there must be fraud!

So you’re saying that people are dumb enough to vote against someone because of personality even if the opponent’s policies are bad? Unfortunately, I believe you’re correct.

 

[VolinWayne]

Why do you care? Why does anyone care?

These "audits" have nothing to do with the integrity of American elections. In order to believe that, you would need to believe that Donald Trump would eventually accept defeat as a valid result after every hoop had been jumped through... and he won't. His ego comes first.

These audits are Republican Party fundraising ploys.

This is not a Republican Democrat issue. They both cheat. It needs to stop

 

[AM64]

How can an audit undermine anything? Audits are to legitimize (ask the IRS). If everything’s found to be legitimate, China Joe comes out looking great. Looks like the Dems would want audits so they could stick it back in the Rs faces. That’s not what we’re seeing though. They are trying to stop the audits at every turn. This makes it look like they aren’t confident that Joe really won and have something to hide.

Audits have to be done correctly though. An "audit" to claim "there's nothing to see" isn't the same as an audit that looks to see if there was wrongdoing or if things could be done better. We've gotten very good in the corporate and political worlds of coverups disguised as audits/investigations when the intent was simply to whitewash.

One thing for sure is that the videos showing election officials working always show some very unprofessional people and give little confidence that things really have a structure and are followed.

 

[AM64]

Try to keep up, these audit won't ever be "finished" and the premise for them is conjecture by the losers wrapped up to be an exercise in truth. In reality, the entire premise was a seed of mistrust placed onto our election system by Trump LONG BEFORE the first vote was cast. And there it will remain for as long as the trump nut huggers can keep it there. ANYTHING to undermine the legitimacy of the certified election without regard to the harm it's doing to a pillar of our Republic. And all of it because some people want to appear loyal to Trump, one of the most unpopular presidents ever.

These ballots have been counted, recounted and counted again with no evidence of widespread fraud; just cobbled together "irregularities" that turn out to be more about the "auditor" not understanding wtf they're doing than an issue with procedure, let alone fraud.

Seriously, how ******* stupid are these people that it's taking them MONTHS to count the same things people do in a few days? Now the whackos are looking to audit the 13 counties trump lost in Texas? LOL If it wasn't evident before, it should be clear now.

These audits will never end, because when they do - it will be expected that the claims of fraud will have to go to court. Where it will be summarily dissected and tossed out on it's head. No, now it's about the story and what politician is going to be deferential to Donny so that he may curry a little political favor their way. Meanwhile, confidence in America's electoral system diminishes without evidence or reason, just butthurt.

You know we could have a place where people come in, show identification, prove they are registered to vote, receive an approved ballot and marker, fill it in, feed it in to a tabulator, and walk out. Then all the tabulator has to do is add a selection to the total count and spit the ballot into a box. People seal the box and put it in storage. Auditors could come in anytime later and recount the ballots. So simple a caveman could do it.