Arizona Election Audit

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AM64 said:
Audits have to be done correctly though. An "audit" to claim "there's nothing to see" isn't the same as an audit that looks to see if there was wrongdoing or if things could be done better. We've gotten very good in the corporate and political worlds of coverups disguised as audits/investigations when the intent was simply to whitewash.

One thing for sure is that the videos showing election officials working always show some very unprofessional people and give little confidence that things really have a structure and are followed.
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Incompetence is not even acceptable. One person, one vote, one correct tally. If it isnt even in the 99+ percentile, it is unacceptable in so called modern world. The complexity of the mechanics and counting leads to nothing but scrutiny. We do not have to have a winner the same day or early next day morning of voting
 
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VolinWayne said:
Im pretty sure it was your guy BB that has numerous times mentioned the fact that we are only auditing the swing states that lost. Of course I'm sure he will deny and I'm not going to waste my time with him
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That's the point though. In states where a candidate won the state but lost the election, there's not much interest in an investigation; the loser won the state so his voters wouldn't challenge the state results, and the winner won so why rock the boat when it might come back to haunt them somewhere else. In some states the outcome is virtually guaranteed to go R or D before the polls even open, and unless there's a real big surprise, nobody's going to waste time there either. So it's always going to come down to states where things might go either way, and one side will try to protect the outcome, the other will call foul, and generally it will just be attributed to politics with the can simply kicked down the road.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Not the narrative that it "impacted the election results".
Nations of all flavor do it every cyle.
And personally I am rather more concerned with our own mdeia doing it to us everyday
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My wife decided to watch the national news tonight. It's in the story selection and judicious wording, for example, they covered the 1/6 investigation and Pelosi's rejection of republicans. In that coverage the event was called an "insurrection", the footage was the most violent, and the two republicans ejected were considered biased. They didn't mention bias elsewhere except to say Liz Cheney would continue and that she had voted against Trump during at least one impeachment - with the impression that it was the right thing to do. They don't even seem to make an attempt to be honest.
 
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VolinWayne said:
This is not a Republican Democrat issue. They both cheat. It needs to stop
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It involves partisan politics. There is no evidence of systemic voter fraud in the United States. Both sides need to start respecting outcomes or it will have consequences for our democratic system of elections. That is especially true for future incumbent presidents. Trump really pushed the envelope with his attempt to use the power of his office to subvert legally chosen electors. That must not stand as established precedent for tolerable future presidential conduct.
 
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utvolpj said:
It's almost impossible for it not to have affected them. Even moreso when you put 2 extremely divisive candidates as the choices
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Why? Ash pointed out recently what should be covered by the news. The who, what, when ... kind of questions. News should be fact rather than opinion - like officials calling a game should be neutral and unbiased. If a reporter can't stick to fact and has to filter fact through his/her point of view, then that person is unfit to report the news. It's really that simple.
 
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Septic said:
This isn't a revelation. At least it shouldn't be.
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It did surprise me how well CNN in particular could influence people. I thought there were more skeptics out there and that people could see through the media BS. It amazed me from 2016-2020 how many people just took whatever was said at face value, no matter how ridiculous the claim or how easily refutable the story. It definitely happens on both sides and I knew it did but I had more faith in people. My mistake. Trump has a ton of flaws and is his own worst enemy but I absolutely believe his policies are better than Biden’s and that’s why I voted for Trump. Hell, a rock would have better policies than Biden because a rock would stay out of our lives. If you’re a Libertarian as you say then surely you don’t like what Biden is doing. I’d guess if the Reps put up someone other than Trump with the same general policies but none of the drama that you’d vote for that person over Biden (assuming no Libertarian candidate).
 
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SlingBlayde said:
How can an audit undermine anything? Audits are to legitimize (ask the IRS). If everything’s found to be legitimate, China Joe comes out looking great. Looks like the Dems would want audits so they could stick it back in the Rs faces. That’s not what we’re seeing though. They are trying to stop the audits at every turn. This makes it look like they aren’t confident that Joe really won and have something to hide.
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Because every audit has shown no issues. And now Rs have hired untrained circus monkeys to perform the audits.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Because every audit has shown no issues. And now Rs have hired untrained circus monkeys to perform the audits.
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Sigh, told myself I was going to stay out of this thread. The previous audits were high level software/machine checks. This latest one is a ballot by ballot true forensic audit. Why do think it’s taking months to complete as opposed to days or weeks? Big difference.
 
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SlingBlayde said:
Sigh, told myself I was going to stay out of this thread. The previous audits were high level software/machine checks. This latest one is a ballot by ballot true forensic audit. Why do think it’s taking months to complete as opposed to days or weeks? Big difference.
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At least partially, because they don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
At least partially, because they don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground.
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What a moronic and idiotic statement. This was the most comprehensive and secure audit in history. A lot of the delay at the moment is due to the Maricopa Board having completely refused to comply with multiple subpoenas and because they have absolutely refused to help with any requests for information thay were made.
 
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VolinWayne said:
What's the allegation
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I saw Ted Cruz in a Ferrari with cases of ballots on bamboo paper marked with sharpies and he also had the skittles server. I'll sign an affidavit, but it's only going to say I saw Ted Cruz in a car I couldn't identify with some stuff and I suspect the car was a Ferrari and the stuff could have been ballots and skittles servers.
 
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VolinWayne said:
What's the allegation
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Donald Trump never specified the allegation, but he did (without ever presenting any proof in support of it) accuse the 2016 Ted Cruz Presidential Campaign of "cheating" in order to win the Iowa Caucuses during the 2016 Republican Party Primary.

In retrospect, that illustrates a central theme which is relevant to this thread:

There is not a set of conditions from which Donald Trump could ever lose an election, without completely attributing his defeat to either voter fraud, or to his opponent having cheated. The Republican Party has shamelessly indulged his egotistical needs.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I saw Ted Cruz in a Ferrari with cases of ballots on bamboo paper marked with sharpies and he also had the skittles server. I'll sign an affidavit, but it's only going to say I saw Ted Cruz in a car I couldn't identify with some stuff and I suspect the car was a Ferrari and the stuff could have been ballots and skittles servers.
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I think you should probably go ahead and submit your signed affadavit. Maybe 100 more people will join you. Heck maybe you can con 1000s of others to join you in signing sworn affidavits and who are willing to testify before congress under penalty of perjury if what they have sworn is proven false.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Donald Trump never specified the allegation, but he did (without ever presenting any proof in support of it) accuse the 2016 Ted Cruz Presidential Campaign of "cheating" in order to win the Iowa Caucuses during the 2016 Republican Party Primary.

In retrospect, that illustrates a central theme which is relevant to this thread:

There is not a set of conditions from which Donald Trump could ever lose an election, without completely attributing his defeat to either voter fraud, or to his opponent having cheated. The Republican Party has shamelessly indulged his egotistical needs.
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They hate having to answer for Trump's m.o. of claiming fraud when he loses. Especially when he does it before the ballots are even cast.

So they don't.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It involves partisan politics. There is no evidence of systemic voter fraud in the United States. Both sides need to start respecting outcomes or it will have consequences for our democratic system of elections. That is especially true for future incumbent presidents. Trump really pushed the envelope with his attempt to use the power of his office to subvert legally chosen electors. That must not stand as established precedent for tolerable future presidential conduct.
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Lol...the sanctimony in this post. You were really covert with this one. I agree though. Start by looking in the mirror instead of looking at others if your serious.
 
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VolinWayne said:
I think you should probably go ahead and submit your signed affadavit. Maybe 100 more people will join you. Heck maybe you can con 1000s of others to join you in signing sworn affidavits and who are willing to testify before congress under penalty of perjury if what they have sworn is proven false.
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Thats the best part. My affidavit will never say I saw skittles servers and bamboo ballots... just something that I think can be skittles servers and bamboo ballots.
 
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Septic said:
They hate having to answer for Trump's m.o. of claiming fraud when he loses. Especially when he does it before the ballots are even cast.

So they don't.
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Well, we were told that the Russians complicitly stole the election for Trump, and we were told that Trump would refuse to leave office, too. Oh, and that Trump inspired a coup to stay in office. At least a couple of those led to false impeachments, so I wouldn't recommend deciding what Trump did or didn't do or go putting words in his mouth. Trump is a very very poor speaker, and to be honest his words are often up for interpretation, but they are probably no less decipherable than Biden's. The problem with our politicians really begins with the electorate.
 
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