Arizona Election Audit

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VolinWayne said:
Trump was elected in 2016 and 2 years later in 2018 they were warning against our election systems. On top of that they literally made up stuff so they could investigate. Yeah they really know how to move on.
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2018 isn't the first time people talked about election security.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I do not agree with vesting more power in the president.
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I somewhat agree, but congress isn't the right organization for day to day operations. They make the budgets and set long term plans, and the administration like all administrators and managers should do the day to day stuff with the allocated resources. If you don't do it that way, fire the president and just rule by committee (congress). Right now we don't have three branches working at different roles; we have three overlapping branches competing for power. Congress legislates, the president does legislation by decree, and the courts legislate by fiat. Congress administrates by involving itself in day to day activities outside it's charter, and the judicial branch is the closest thing we have to a dictatorship - no checks, they rule.
 
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VolinWayne said:
Exactly. Thanks for making my point. It's been an issue for many years yet many in here pretend like it's suddenly not a problem. They say "Let's fix something that's not broke"
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There is not a problem on a scale that would be necessary to impact the outcome of a statewide election in the United States, including that of a presidential election. In other words, there is not a problem of systemic fraud. Top U.S. security officials have consistently stated, and then reiterated, that a mass hack to alter voting results would be nearly impossible because of the United States' decentralized voting system and the availability of fail-safes, such as provisional ballots.

Extensive research conducted by non-profit organizations such as the Brookings Institute and the Brennan Center reveal that fraud in United States' elections is very rare. Voter impersonation is virtually non-existent and it is easily detected when isolated, lone wolf incidents do occur. Most instances of alleged fraud which are uncovered are, in fact, the result of honest mistakes by voters and/or administrators. The same is true for mail-in ballots.

The Brennan Center's seminal report "The Truth About Voter Fraud" conclusively demonstrated that most allegations of fraud turn out to be baseless, and that most of the few remaining allegations reveal irregularities and other forms of election misconduct. Numerous other studies including one commissioned by the Trump administration, have reached the same conclusion.
 
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Oof.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There is not a problem on a scale that would be necessary to impact the outcome of a statewide election in the United States, including that of a presidential election. In other words, there is not a problem of systemic fraud. Top U.S. security officials have consistently stated, and then reiterated, that a mass hack to alter voting results would be nearly impossible because of the United States' decentralized voting system and the availability of fail-safes, such as provisional ballots.

Extensive research conducted by non-profit organizations such as the Brookings Institute and the Brennan Center reveal that fraud in United States' elections is very rare. Voter impersonation is virtually non-existent and it is easily detected when isolated, lone wolf incidents do occur. Most instances of alleged fraud which are uncovered are, in fact, the result of honest mistakes by voters and/or administrators. The same is true for mail-in ballots.

The Brennan Center's seminal report "The Truth About Voter Fraud" conclusively demonstrated that most allegations of fraud turn out to be baseless, and that most of the few remaining allegations reveal irregularities and other forms of election misconduct. Numerous other studies including one commissioned by the Trump administration, have reached the same conclusion.
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There was nothing wrong with the I-40 bridge in Memphis either ... until somebody else took a look at it. There's absolutely a difference in going through the motions and actually investigating. It's not at all surprising that nobody has found evidence of election wrongdoing ... they've never really looked.
 
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Happy Reinstatement Day, Trumpsters !!


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VolinWayne said:
Exactly. Thanks for making my point. It's been an issue for many years yet many in here pretend like it's suddenly not a problem. They say "Let's fix something that's not broke"
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No, the fact that that people have talked about making sure elections are secure (duh), including before 2020, is not proof that the 2020 election was not secure. But that's how the quotes are being spun here.
 
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AM64 said:
There was nothing wrong with the I-40 bridge in Memphis either ... until somebody else took a look at it. There's absolutely a difference in going through the motions and actually investigating. It's not at all surprising that nobody has found evidence of election wrongdoing ... they've never really looked.
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When I was working we'd have managers look at the break in the steel and say, "how much longer can we run it like this" and the occasional "that's a risk I'm willing to take"..... until stuff broke and cost even more downtime and then someone would get thrown under the bus. I just love managers and politicians.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There is not a problem on a scale that would be necessary to impact the outcome of a statewide election in the United States, including that of a presidential election. In other words, there is not a problem of systemic fraud. Top U.S. security officials have consistently stated, and then reiterated, that a mass hack to alter voting results would be nearly impossible because of the United States' decentralized voting system and the availability of fail-safes, such as provisional ballots.

Extensive research conducted by non-profit organizations such as the Brookings Institute and the Brennan Center reveal that fraud in United States' elections is very rare. Voter impersonation is virtually non-existent and it is easily detected when isolated, lone wolf incidents do occur. Most instances of alleged fraud which are uncovered are, in fact, the result of honest mistakes by voters and/or administrators. The same is true for mail-in ballots.

The Brennan Center's seminal report "The Truth About Voter Fraud" conclusively demonstrated that most allegations of fraud turn out to be baseless, and that most of the few remaining allegations reveal irregularities and other forms of election misconduct. Numerous other studies including one commissioned by the Trump administration, have reached the same conclusion.
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The only significant election fraud happen in America is being conducted by select red state legislatures.
 
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AM64 said:
It's not at all surprising that nobody has found evidence of election wrongdoing ... they've never really looked.
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That is dead wrong. I just cited two independent, non-profit organizations (Brookings Institute and the Brennan Research Center) who have exhaustively researched the security of voting and the legitimacy of election outcomes in the United States over the last 20 years. A wide array of scholars, research analysts, IT experts and statisticians have written tomes on the subject of fraud in western democracy. Their work is available on the internet, and easy to find. They all reach the same general conclusion concerning widespread voting fraud in American elections. It hasn't happened since 2002, and it is not likely to happen in the present or near future either. You are trying to frame this as a neglected or overlooked topic when it's far from it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There is not a problem on a scale that would be necessary to impact the outcome of a statewide election in the United States, including that of a presidential election. In other words, there is not a problem of systemic fraud. Top U.S. security officials have consistently stated, and then reiterated, that a mass hack to alter voting results would be nearly impossible because of the United States' decentralized voting system and the availability of fail-safes, such as provisional ballots.

Extensive research conducted by non-profit organizations such as the Brookings Institute and the Brennan Center reveal that fraud in United States' elections is very rare. Voter impersonation is virtually non-existent and it is easily detected when isolated, lone wolf incidents do occur. Most instances of alleged fraud which are uncovered are, in fact, the result of honest mistakes by voters and/or administrators. The same is true for mail-in ballots.

The Brennan Center's seminal report "The Truth About Voter Fraud" conclusively demonstrated that most allegations of fraud turn out to be baseless, and that most of the few remaining allegations reveal irregularities and other forms of election misconduct. Numerous other studies including one commissioned by the Trump administration, have reached the same conclusion.
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But there was enough foreign interference to swing 2016 Trump’s way according to Dems. Can’t have it both ways.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I wasn't one of them and you cannot compare the two situations. Democrats moved on after the loss and acknowledged the loss. And I don't recall you saying anything about fixing the broken system when your guy won.
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Exactly. The last thing that Donald Trump wanted to talk about from November 8, 2016 until November 3, 2020 was the possibility that his victory over Hillary Clinton was the complete result of something other than his own popularity and magnetism, combined with the ingenious campaign that he had run. Trump didn't want to hear a word about the possibility of voter fraud or potential foreign interference. He only cares now because he lost.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Exactly. The last thing that Donald Trump wanted to talk about from November 8, 2016 until November 3, 2020 was the possibility that his victory over Hillary Clinton was the complete result of something other than his own popularity and magnetism, combined with the ingenious campaign that he had run. Trump didn't want to hear a word about the possibility of voter fraud or potential foreign interference. He only cares now because he lost.
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The most effective leaders are the last to take any credit and the first to accept any blame.
 
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AshG said:
The most effective leaders are the last to take any credit and the first to accept any blame.
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That goes against the Trump philosophy of marketing and brand-building:

(1) Hyperbole isn't lying. Do it frequently.

(2) Take full credit for anything you can... even if it's for something unrelated to your job, such as no plane crashes.

(3) Never admit fault or guilt.

(4) Never apologize, especially to an adversary or nemesis.

(5) When you have been proven wrong on something, double down on your initial claim, and then re-tool that claim just enough to make it seem like you had been taken out of context initially. Then triple down on it. Trump is a master at this.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I've never said that. Which democrats said that? When you make an allegation, be specific with who you are referring to.
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Seriously man. That has been said by Dems and MSM many times. Google it yourself. It’s not hard. I’m pretty sure Hillary said it not too long ago and that was posted in response to you not that long ago. You have selective memory. And I never said you said that.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That goes against the Trump philosophy of marketing and brand-building:

(1) Hyperbole isn't lying. Do it frequently.

(2) Take full credit for anything you can... even if it's for something unrelated to your job, such as no plane crashes.

(3) Never admit fault or guilt.

(4) Never apologize, especially to an adversary or nemesis.

(5) When you have been proven wrong on something, double down on your initial claim, and then re-tool that claim just enough to make it seem like you had been taken out of context initially. Then triple down on it. Trump is a master at this.
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Or there’s the Biden plan.
1. Lie about everything to everyone.
2. When called out on lies or asked a non-scripted question:
a) Ramble non-sense
b) Threaten to get Corn Pop involved
c) Walk away without answering
d) Say, “C’mon man!”
3. Stay in basement
4. Make rules via EO and then don’t follow those rules
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Seriously man. That has been said by Dems and MSM many times. Google it yourself. It’s not hard. I’m pretty sure Hillary said it not too long ago and that was posted in response to you not that long ago. You have selective memory. And I never said you said that.
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Just as I suspected. You're full of $hit, and can't name anybody.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Just as I suspected. You're full of $hit, and can't name anybody.
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Ok buddy. Whatever you say. I can’t figure out if your head is in the sand or your own azz but either way it’s in the dark. What’s funny is I literally gave you a name right after what you bolded but you’re either too stupid to read or too lazy. Perhaps both.
 
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