Arizona Election Audit

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ClearwaterVol said:
I understood quite well. I just thought it was pretty incredible you had such a lucid thought about someone else and then went into a lengthy diatribe that was as fictional as your avatar and screen name.
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Again, my experience (running elections and party for that matter in big Dem controlled city) tells me conclusively that cheating happened. I can look at the aggregate numbers and know. I also have a pretty good idea of HOW they cheated, at least in some of the methods because they are things I myself could replicate with an expanded version of my old team + the incentive - the morals (legal I wouldn't worry about much since almost no one ever gets caught). The changes in mail in balloting simply ramps up a rather common method of cheating in absentee ballots.

For example, I had this race that I wanted to put in a up and coming ethnic community leader and I wanted him to get his feet wet with a smaller race. Meanwhile, in this district, I have an old dragon who is the party district leader and feels threatened by this guy since he would be a big deal and she would lose her grip on doling out what little patronage Rs have around there - so she sets up her son to run for the slot instead, who will run against my guy in the primary. Normally, I would defer to one of my district leaders but mind you I run party ops for almost 30 districts like this one and I am not having it. State honchos are looking on because they are hoping to use this guy to revitalize R in this community. So I know she is going to cheat but how? I run the entire voting machine operations and appoint most of the poll workers for the party so she cant futz with that, much at least. Absentees, thats how. There were an unusual number of requests for absentee ballots which were sent out and then her team picked up, filled out and returned. That was illegal by state law. But how do I prove that is what she is doing? I hired a recently retired detective who spoke the language and he went door to door to the absentee addresses on election day. So the primary day happens and he is up by just a decent bit after the polls close. The detective goes out and some people were home. Some said they gave it to her to fill it out, some said they didnt even request it and he records much of this. I have got her. Sure enough, when the absentees are counted a few days later, her son pulls ahead to win by maybe 20 votes out of a couple thousand cast. But when I go to invalidate them and throw the dragon in jail, I find out that because my evidence was not recorded by a licensed private investigator, it was deemed inadmissible. Her son wins and state guys are pissed at me. Granted, I put the guy in a better slot the next year and won it and they were happy again - until the guy eventually flipped to Dem for a committee chairmanship. Oh well.

Point is, this is but a single example of how election fraud happens (and this was a Republican doing it). Now imagine that the laws are changed so that everyone is sent a ballot (no request needed) and anyone can pick them up and return them to the election board. Even better, their are dropboxes for you place them in and then other "volunteers" take the whole anonymized bundle back to the board. Doesnt take a lot of imagination to see how the dragon's methods could be expanded a bit.

And mind you, that is just a single method. Consider all the hard work that Stacy Abrams did to get people from other states to register in GA (illegally) to vote in the Senate special, who were then able to mail their ballot in. Again, so many different tricks to use. If you have someone inside who is willing you can stuff the ballot boxes in other ways. Also, its not that Republicans are unwilling to cheat but it is simply much MUCH easier to do so in a highly dense population area like big cities, where you don't need to control but a few county party political machines (which control and operate election boards). If I am given time before the election (like having these nice 60 day voting periods), it is even easier to fill in the ballot, match it against the voter rolls for someone unlikely to show up at the polls and even fake their signature on the return card (which would make it difficult to catch even with an audit). Similarly, most GOP are playing defense of trying to catch bad behavior instead of playing offense and flooding the elections with illegal ballots of their own. All this happens at the level of a seal team or two, not the rank and file soldier much less the civilians (voters). Thats why ol Joe probably genuinely believes he was elected fair and square.

My other thinking for why this was probably the prime method, is the desperation of Dem congress to enshrine all these mail in ballot concepts into law to protect them. Some are probably stupid enough to believe the whole disenfranchisement thing but the leads understand it for what it is - a way to keep winning the way they did in 2020. If GOP can stave this off and correct the crap that happened in last minute changes to swing state laws, it will be harder for them to repeat the same trick.

Now what really interests me though is the claims of cheating via the machines themselves aka software or OS being corrupted. I have not seen any proof of that so far. It would be a big deal and surprising to me since it would indicate the conspiracy is deeper than the operative level I have experience with. Still boils down to two things tho I think. 1. no reason for any network card hardware 2. Once certified, no need to update software or OS.

So @ClearwaterVol I am not ranting at all since none of the above is "feelings" (except for the irksome dragon). That is my experience at a level which I dare say few here on this board have (or likely even in TN, since my city is bigger than your state). That experience guides my opinion to extrapolate outcomes based on what my expert eye can see in the circumstances. I leave this thread with the above however, as I can only give so much time into it :)
 
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Gandalf said:
Again, my experience (running elections and party for that matter in big Dem controlled city) tells me conclusively that cheating happened. I can look at the aggregate numbers and know. I also have a pretty good idea of HOW they cheated, at least in some of the methods because they are things I myself could replicate with an expanded version of my old team + the incentive - the morals (legal I wouldn't worry about much since almost no one ever gets caught). The changes in mail in balloting simply ramps up a rather common method of cheating in absentee ballots.

For example, I had this race that I wanted to put in a up and coming ethnic community leader and I wanted him to get his feet wet with a smaller race. Meanwhile, in this district, I have an old dragon who is the party district leader and feels threatened by this guy since he would be a big deal and she would lose her grip on doling out what little patronage Rs have around there - so she sets up her son to run for the slot instead, who will run against my guy in the primary. Normally, I would defer to one of my district leaders but mind you I run party ops for almost 30 districts like this one and I am not having it. State honchos are looking on because they are hoping to use this guy to revitalize R in this community. So I know she is going to cheat but how? I run the entire voting machine operations and appoint most of the poll workers for the party so she cant futz with that, much at least. Absentees, thats how. There were an unusual number of requests for absentee ballots which were sent out and then her team picked up, filled out and returned. That was illegal by state law. But how do I prove that is what she is doing? I hired a recently retired detective who spoke the language and he went door to door to the absentee addresses on election day. So the primary day happens and he is up by just a decent bit after the polls close. The detective goes out and some people were home. Some said they gave it to her to fill it out, some said they didnt even request it and he records much of this. I have got her. Sure enough, when the absentees are counted a few days later, her son pulls ahead to win by maybe 20 votes out of a couple thousand cast. But when I go to invalidate them and throw the dragon in jail, I find out that because my evidence was not recorded by a licensed private investigator, it was deemed inadmissible. Her son wins and state guys are pissed at me. Granted, I put the guy in a better slot the next year and won it and they were happy again - until the guy eventually flipped to Dem for a committee chairmanship. Oh well.

Point is, this is but a single example of how election fraud happens (and this was a Republican doing it). Now imagine that the laws are changed so that everyone is sent a ballot (no request needed) and anyone can pick them up and return them to the election board. Even better, their are dropboxes for you place them in and then other "volunteers" take the whole anonymized bundle back to the board. Doesnt take a lot of imagination to see how the dragon's methods could be expanded a bit.

And mind you, that is just a single method. Consider all the hard work that Stacy Abrams did to get people from other states to register in GA (illegally) to vote in the Senate special, who were then able to mail their ballot in. Again, so many different tricks to use. If you have someone inside who is willing you can stuff the ballot boxes in other ways. Also, its not that Republicans are unwilling to cheat but it is simply much MUCH easier to do so in a highly dense population area like big cities, where you don't need to control but a few county party political machines (which control and operate election boards). If I am given time before the election (like having these nice 60 day voting periods), it is even easier to fill in the ballot, match it against the voter rolls for someone unlikely to show up at the polls and even fake their signature on the return card (which would make it difficult to catch even with an audit). Similarly, most GOP are playing defense of trying to catch bad behavior instead of playing offense and flooding the elections with illegal ballots of their own. All this happens at the level of a seal team or two, not the rank and file soldier much less the civilians (voters). Thats why ol Joe probably genuinely believes he was elected fair and square.

My other thinking for why this was probably the prime method, is the desperation of Dem congress to enshrine all these mail in ballot concepts into law to protect them. Some are probably stupid enough to believe the whole disenfranchisement thing but the leads understand it for what it is - a way to keep winning the way they did in 2020. If GOP can stave this off and correct the crap that happened in last minute changes to swing state laws, it will be harder for them to repeat the same trick.

Now what really interests me though is the claims of cheating via the machines themselves aka software or OS being corrupted. I have not seen any proof of that so far. It would be a big deal and surprising to me since it would indicate the conspiracy is deeper than the operative level I have experience with. Still boils down to two things tho I think. 1. no reason for any network card hardware 2. Once certified, no need to update software or OS.

So @ClearwaterVol I am not ranting at all since none of the above is "feelings" (except for the irksome dragon). That is my experience at a level which I dare say few here on this board have (or likely even in TN, since my city is bigger than your state). That experience guides my opinion to extrapolate outcomes based on what my expert eye can see in the circumstances. I leave this thread with the above however, as I can only give so much time into it :)
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You still don't KNOW there was cheating. You THINK there was cheating. You have no knowledge about this race, you are extrapolating. As far as the mail in ballots go you say your detective said that some people didn't even request one. How did these "operatives" get that ballot?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You still don't KNOW there was cheating. You THINK there was cheating. You have no knowledge about this race, you are extrapolating. As far as the mail in ballots go you say your detective said that some people didn't even request one. How did these "operatives" get that ballot?
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True to a point - but only because I am not the one looking at the direct files. From the aggregate data they published, however, I can see things that are, in my experience, not really possible any other way but cheating. Again with the chalk outline, blood pool and spatter but no body. If I were directly investigating, however, and had access, I could probably find out any evidence that is actually there. But proving it, however, in a court of law is another thing. Its like hiring cops to look at something vs criminals. They see from different perspectives and look in different places, like Inglorious Bastard's Colonel Landa's entertaining speech about eagle's and rats. If I wanted to know how a particular bank was robbed I would probably get better info from a professional thief than a cop but the thief wouldnt care about figuring out how to prove it was robbed, once he can find the method, he assumes the will to do so. I was very unusual to be such a high level party guy and election operations official at the same time thus always looking at how to protect the system as well as how to break it.

In the race with the dragon, they got them by putting in a request for them, supposedly from the voter, then picking them up from the doors when they arrive in the mail. This works best when you have big buildings or housing complexes. Was that mail fraud? heck yeah - but again, proving it is something else entirely, even when you have the people on tape saying no, they never sent it. Forget about proving it though, you can't even get anyone to look at it. I might have been able to since we cross endorsed the county DA and the head of major crimes was a regular at our poker night but few guarantees tho and I was advised to meh, "prepare better and get them next time". Mind you I could have done the same trick much more easily and with less risk and was advised to seriously consider it - but thought better of it and went the defensive route (and lost). Next time around, I went a more sure route and just bought her off by making her son the campaign manager of my guy for a higher office and she was able to pay her machine during the race and pocket a decent bit herself.

That is how stuff works in the real world. The reason I know these kinda things happen in the proverbial smoke filled rooms is because I was in them making deals - and not incidentally, picked up an appreciation for fine cigars.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You still don't KNOW there was cheating. You THINK there was cheating. You have no knowledge about this race, you are extrapolating. As far as the mail in ballots go you say your detective said that some people didn't even request one. How did these "operatives" get that ballot?
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Cheating is illegal - not something people are likely to brag about except in very select company. The GA senate runoff elections are a good example of something that looks extremely fishy. Loeffler wasn't popular, but she and her GOP rival split the GOP vote and combined easily outdid Warnock in November. Because she had more votes than Collins (the other GOP candidate in the Nov election), she was in the runoff election against Warnock - and lost. Why with Warnock's extremist and radical background can you imagine that he could win against the GOP candidate when the second GOP candidate wasn't a factor in the runoff election? Remember this had a lot to do with mail in voting, the lack of security and voter checks that went with it, and an effort to keep pulling "new arrivals" into the runoff election.
 
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This fell to the second page, can't have that.

Just a reminder that this audit is still nothing more than a huge steamy pile of dog sh*t on the lawn of Mar a Lago.

Surely these Ninja's have Ivermectined' and HQC'd thier way to a full recovery by now - why no audit release? Tick Tock.
 
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Septic said:
This fell to the second page, can't have that.

Just a reminder that this audit is still nothing more than a huge steamy pile of dog sh*t on the lawn of Mar a Lago.

Surely these Ninja's have Ivermectined' and HQC'd thier way to a full recovery by now - why no audit release? Tick Tock.
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The audit release is coming. I can't wait see all the creative ways that you guys come up with to try to discredit it.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
Any status update on the ninjas?
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Last I heard two weeks ago, they couldn't release the audit because they lack the stealthy ninja skills necessary to evade a virus that is supposedly harmless to everyone but the old and infirm.

Additionally, our resident audit watchers haven't posted many alt-twitter status updates and the Audit Kai Dojo is refusing to comply with public records requests.
 
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You keep quoting this guy and the fact that he thinks the results can be decertified in Arizona show he's still peddling bs.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
And the protocol for this canvas? Transparency still there? Any proof these are anything more than people that wished they'd voted for Trump and saw this lost ballot thing as a way in? I assume they all swore under oath and also were matched to people that requested ballots.
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See post #4793. Open in Telegram and there is a PDF explaining everything in detail. I am attempting to upload the files here but not sure if it will work
 

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