Arizona Election Audit

I'm waiting for you to justify the Eric Coomer bias. And yes, Dominion has full control of our elections.
The allegations against Eric Coomer are complete lies which Newsmax has long since acknowledged.

This was the statement issued by Newsmax:

"There are several facts that our viewers should be aware of. Newsmax has found no evidence that Dr. Coomer interfered with Dominion voting machines or voting software in any way, nor that Dr. Coomer ever claimed to have done so. Nor has Newsmax found any evidence that Dr. Coomer ever participated in any conversation with members of 'Antifa,' nor that he was directly involved with any partisan political organization."

Your claims were not only debunked a long time ago... there was also an apology issued to Eric Coomer from a right-wing outlet that was spreading those same lies.
 
You don’t think those in charge of machines picked a side too? You act like CN are the only bias people in the world. Everyone is bias and right now people are more entrenched than ever in their bias. Take you for example. You are incapable of objectivity even though you don’t think that’s true.
The right-wing has tried to smear Eric Coomer with lies. A right-wing network has long since retracted those lies.
 
You don't know what you are talking about.

Per azmirror.com, the Republican-controlled Arizona State Senate has filed multiple lawsuits to avoid complying with longstanding Arizona public records laws. Two weeks ago, the Arizona Court of Appeals rejected the Senate's arguments that it had no obligation to release records in the physical possession of the contractor known as Cyber Ninjas, by finding that those records "are no less public records simply because they are in the possession of a third party."

... and yet, Republicans in the Arizona Senate have still not complied with public record laws. That is being anything but transparent. You are paying attention to things of no consequence. The transparency of any audit of an election, hinges entirely on whether or not public record laws are being complied with .... and they're not.

I notice we haven't seem any Alt-Twitter posts regarding this in the regular updates from @KanebobtheGreat or @AZElectionAuditOnlyFans.

WHAT ARE THE AZ SENATE AND INTERNET NINJA TRYING TO HIDE?
 
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I believe Joe Oltman. Nothing has been debunked
It has been debunked. Hence the reason Newsmax retracted those allegations and apologized for them. You think they wanted to do that?

And the guy you mentioned hasn't provided proof of anything, but since Eric Coomer is suing him... this will play itself out.
 
Your claim that this audit has not been transparent is laughable, a completely moronic statement and a blatant lie. This audit had absolutely every minute livestreamed and cameras were on the ballots every single minute that the ballots were in their hands. They also had a very stringent process for chain of custody. I assume your idea of transparency is pizza boxes stacked in front of windows!

Also, you are constantly trying to discredit the Ninjas because of their biased opinion that their was fraud. Yet you apparently have no issue at all with Eric Coomer, one of Dominions top executives openly showing his disdain and hatred for Trump. "Trump won't win, I mad ####ing sure of that". Keep in mind, this guy owns the patent for the adjudication system for the private company that basically runs our elections.

LOL, sooo transparent they barred the REPUBLICAN audit director for sharing information that didn't support the narrative.

Arizona GOP audit director barred from recount after sharing data supporting Trump loss


"But the recent aggressive attempts to block transparency should be the final straw. In multiple lawsuits, the Senate is not only refusing to comply with longstanding Arizona public records laws; it is arguing that the law does not even apply to it. It has gone from attacking faith in Arizona elections to assailing a core tenet of representative democracy: that government officials work for the public."

The Arizona Senate’s disdain for transparency is another reason to mistrust its ‘audit’
 
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It has been debunked. Hence the reason Newsmax retracted those allegations and apologized for them. You think they wanted to do that?

And the guy you mentioned hasn't provided proof of anything, but since Eric Coomer is suing him... this will play itself out.


I'm sure Joe Oltman is just another right wing dude that's making up lies. There is plenty out there on Coomer.

Report: Anti-Trump Dominion Voting Systems Security Chief Was Participating in Antifa Calls, Posted Antifa Manifesto Letter to Trump Online

BREAKING: Does a former Dominion Voter Systems VP and current patent holder have ties to the terrorist group (or idea) known as Antifa?
 
There is no reason for anyone here to believe a word of this. You are not an expert on anything but delusions of grandeur. This ridiculous post of yours doesn't make you anything but a liar.

Ah, the mighty keyboard warrior, slinging barbs of stupidity while safely ensconced in an impregnable tower of ignorance. You are clearly not the sort who can discern the difference between posting of truth carefully parsed and the aggrandized rantings of trolls so I will not waste effort in trying to disabuse you of your errant prejudicial opinions. No value in wrestling with the pig and its bacon not worth taking.

As to your other comment regarding fraud, I place this here to inform those who may yet desire a free and educated discussion of ideas:

1. AG Barr's statement was perhaps true as of 3 weeks after the election. I have my strong suspicions, however, as to how much investigating he (or his staff, the same staff largely that tried to help engineer a virtual coup on President Trump with the FBI and intelligence agencies) actually did. That said, like most criminal investigations, especially of fraud or cybercrime, it takes many months to put together a solid case, even when you know something happened (because you have to prove it in court)

2. In my experience, cheating happens every election across multiple levels but what made this one different is the scale. One could say they were better prepared than when they were surprised in 2016 but I think it was simply the pandemic which enabled them to change the laws toward (no ID) mail in ballots, sending them out unrequested, then "bundling" them, which allowed operatives to show up at election HQ with stacks of completed ballots. That completes the process circle - a. how to get a live ballot, b. fill it out as you like (or copy if you are in a rush) and c. how to get it back into the system undetected or with a knowing wink. This process allowed the big city Dem machines in swing states to put in enough fraudulent votes to cover the statewide races.

3. I have not seen "proof" because various evidence has really not gone to court. There was a rush to throw things in closer to the election but most of those did not have the time to pull everything together. As it stands currently, in analogous CSI parlance, we "know" their was substantial fraud because we can see the outline of the body as we examine the crime scene. We see the blood spatter and can ascertain from the amount of blood and its directionality that wounds to the victim (democratic elections) likely proved fatal. All these can be determined from the aggregate data which is published by the Feds. What we do not yet have is the body so as to examine the method of murder - and it is likely that there were many attacks so was it the stab to the liver, the pipe bashing the head, etc that caused the fatal damage (but they all contributed to the outcome). To get this, we need audit results to examine the ballots and the machines (including internal software). So far, except for AZ, I am unaware of any efforts in this direction.

4. So far I have not seen anything definitive that the software is intentionally corrupted but there are a number of concerning questions that need to be investigated with full access to the machines. The pattern in results however (barely losing statewide races in red/swing states but massive GOP gains to congressional seats), leans toward cheating by "stuffin the ballots" rather than wholesale programming of the machines or presumably they would have cut back on the congressional wins. Besides, there are several ways that election insiders can use features in the software to their benefit to cheat without the machine maker being in on it in any way. Two main concepts here tho - 1. there should not be any HARDWARE capability of the machines to network. It violates election law in most states for there to be ANY wireless connection, WAN, internet or otherwise. 2. Once the software and bios have been installed, tested and certified, there is absolutely NO reason for an "update". The only thing would be to load the ballot config but that does not in any way change the operating software or the OS.

5. None of this has anything to do with Trump really - not anymore. That stopped, as intended, when Biden was sworn in. Why the forensic investigation of this MUST be done, however, is so that people can trust that the elections are held fairly, even if they do not like the final result and even if sometimes the people are incompetent's. If, as the GOPers allege, the elections were held unfairly, it not only stole the presidency from them but probably 4 senate seats (GA 2, AZ, MI). More damaging even than that single cycle loss, however, is the simple fact that if they do not fix the holes the rats made, Republicans will not win another presidential or statewide tossup race for the foreseeable future. It is also why I think all this talk of the Newsom recall is premature - "it matters not who does the voting, as long as I do the counting", says the party hack.

6. This was not engineered by some vast conspiracy of your local dem voting machine clerk, who is making minimum wage but happy for the gov benefits. The team who would have done this are likely no more than 20-30 serious operatives like I used to be who really knew what was happening. Most everyone else would be simply unquestioning soldiers who value their county machine appointed job and would probably just be following orders from the chief clerk or deputy without knowing really what it was all about. That chief is getting the orders to follow from a consultant whom the local machine has been told to listen to. That is how it works.

All I can say is that it was considerably harder to cheat when we had the lever machines. Still possible of course, bussing people to pollsites, etc. But I remember when we had made the transition to the new ballot readers but still had all the old machines from all counties in a single, absolutely enormous warehouse (in case we needed for backup), the one we used to sequester them after Hillary's primary. It was an amazing site really. Hot too, dang warehouses in the summer. When the new machines came, they had to spend more on air conditioning because the imaging drums were melting (plus I was having union troubles threatening works stoppage)
 
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Ah, the mighty keyboard warrior, slinging barbs of stupidity while safely ensconced in an impregnable tower of ignorance. You are clearly not the sort who can discern the difference between posting of truth carefully parsed and the aggrandized rantings of trolls so I will not waste effort in trying to disabuse you of your errant prejudicial opinions. No value in wrestling with the pig and its bacon not worth taking.

As to your other comment regarding fraud, I place this here to inform those who may yet desire a free and educated discussion of ideas:

1. AG Barr's statement was perhaps true as of 3 weeks after the election. I have my strong suspicions, however, as to how much investigating he (or his staff, the same staff largely that tried to help engineer a virtual coup on President Trump with the FBI and intelligence agencies) actually did. That said, like most criminal investigations, especially of fraud or cybercrime, it takes many months to put together a solid case, even when you know something happened (because you have to prove it in court)

2. In my experience, cheating happens every election across multiple levels but what made this one different is the scale. One could say they were better prepared than when they were surprised in 2016 but I think it was simply the pandemic which enabled them to change the laws toward (no ID) mail in ballots, sending them out unrequested, then "bundling" them, which allowed operatives to show up at election HQ with stacks of completed ballots. That completes the process circle - a. how to get a live ballot, b. fill it out as you like (or copy if you are in a rush) and c. how to get it back into the system undetected or with a knowing wink. This process allowed the big city Dem machines in swing states to put in enough fraudulent votes to cover the statewide races.

3. I have not seen "proof" because various evidence has really not gone to court. There was a rush to throw things in closer to the election but most of those did not have the time to pull everything together. As it stands currently, in analogous CSI parlance, we "know" their was substantial fraud because we can see the outline of the body as we examine the crime scene. We see the blood spatter and can ascertain from the amount of blood and its directionality that wounds to the victim (democratic elections) likely proved fatal. All these can be determined from the aggregate data which is published by the Feds. What we do not yet have is the body so as to examine the method of murder - and it is likely that there were many attacks so was it the stab to the liver, the pipe bashing the head, etc that caused the fatal damage (but they all contributed to the outcome). To get this, we need audit results to examine the ballots and the machines (including internal software). So far, except for AZ, I am unaware of any efforts in this direction.

4. So far I have not seen anything definitive that the software is intentionally corrupted but there are a number of concerning questions that need to be investigated with full access to the machines. The pattern in results however (barely losing statewide races in red/swing states but massive GOP gains to congressional seats), leans toward cheating by "stuffin the ballots" rather than wholesale programming of the machines or presumably they would have cut back on the congressional wins. Besides, there are several ways that election insiders can use features in the software to their benefit to cheat without the machine maker being in on it in any way. Two main concepts here tho - 1. there should not be any HARDWARE capability of the machines to network. It violates election law in most states for there to be ANY wireless connection, WAN, internet or otherwise. 2. Once the software and bios have been installed, tested and certified, there is absolutely NO reason for an "update". The only thing would be to load the ballot config but that does not in any way change the operating software or the OS.

5. None of this has anything to do with Trump really - not anymore. That stopped, as intended, when Biden was sworn in. Why the forensic investigation of this MUST be done, however, is so that people can trust that the elections are held fairly, even if they do not like the final result and even if sometimes the people are incompetent's. If, as the GOPers allege, the elections were held unfairly, it not only stole the presidency from them but probably 4 senate seats (GA 2, AZ, MI). More damaging even than that single cycle loss, however, is the simple fact that if they do not fix the holes the rats made, Republicans will not win another presidential or statewide tossup race for the foreseeable future. It is also why I think all this talk of the Newsom recall is premature - "it matters not who does the voting, as long as I do the counting", says the party hack.

6. This was not engineered by some vast conspiracy of your local dem voting machine clerk, who is making minimum wage but happy for the gov benefits. The team who would have done this are likely no more than 20-30 serious operatives like I used to be who really knew what was happening. Most everyone else would be simply unquestioning soldiers who value their county machine appointed job and would probably just be following orders from the chief clerk or deputy without knowing really what it was all about. That chief is getting the orders to follow from a consultant whom the local machine has been told to listen to. That is how it works.

All I can say is that it was considerably harder to cheat when we had the lever machines. Still possible of course, bussing people to pollsites, etc. But I remember when we had made the transition to the new ballot readers but still had all the old machines from all counties in a single, absolutely enormous warehouse (in case we needed for backup), the one we used to sequester them after Hillary's primary. It was an amazing site really. Hot too, dang warehouses in the summer. When the new machines came, they had to spend more on air conditioning because the imaging drums were melting (plus I was having union troubles threatening works stoppage)

Your first paragraph does not fit in with the rest of your ramblings. My response to your post is this.

"You are clearly not the sort who can discern the difference between posting of truth carefully parsed and the aggrandized rantings of trolls so I will not waste effort in trying to disabuse you of your errant prejudicial opinions. No value in wrestling with the pig and its bacon not worth taking."

Hello pot meet kettle.
 
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I just stopped into see if we had the report yet. It seems that with each passing day the natives ITT thread grow more and more mad. The out and out lunacy that has set in is disturbing.
 
Your first paragraph does not fit in with the rest of your ramblings. My response to your post is this.

"You are clearly not the sort who can discern the difference between posting of truth carefully parsed and the aggrandized rantings of trolls so I will not waste effort in trying to disabuse you of your errant prejudicial opinions. No value in wrestling with the pig and its bacon not worth taking."

Hello pot meet kettle.

That first part was directed at the one quoted. If you feel you "resemble" that remark, however, you are free to own it if you wish.
 
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Ah, the mighty keyboard warrior, slinging barbs of stupidity while safely ensconced in an impregnable tower of ignorance. You are clearly not the sort who can discern the difference between posting of truth carefully parsed and the aggrandized rantings of trolls so I will not waste effort in trying to disabuse you of your errant prejudicial opinions. No value in wrestling with the pig and its bacon not worth taking.

As to your other comment regarding fraud, I place this here to inform those who may yet desire a free and educated discussion of ideas:

1. AG Barr's statement was perhaps true as of 3 weeks after the election. I have my strong suspicions, however, as to how much investigating he (or his staff, the same staff largely that tried to help engineer a virtual coup on President Trump with the FBI and intelligence agencies) actually did. That said, like most criminal investigations, especially of fraud or cybercrime, it takes many months to put together a solid case, even when you know something happened (because you have to prove it in court)

2. In my experience, cheating happens every election across multiple levels but what made this one different is the scale. One could say they were better prepared than when they were surprised in 2016 but I think it was simply the pandemic which enabled them to change the laws toward (no ID) mail in ballots, sending them out unrequested, then "bundling" them, which allowed operatives to show up at election HQ with stacks of completed ballots. That completes the process circle - a. how to get a live ballot, b. fill it out as you like (or copy if you are in a rush) and c. how to get it back into the system undetected or with a knowing wink. This process allowed the big city Dem machines in swing states to put in enough fraudulent votes to cover the statewide races.

3. I have not seen "proof" because various evidence has really not gone to court. There was a rush to throw things in closer to the election but most of those did not have the time to pull everything together. As it stands currently, in analogous CSI parlance, we "know" their was substantial fraud because we can see the outline of the body as we examine the crime scene. We see the blood spatter and can ascertain from the amount of blood and its directionality that wounds to the victim (democratic elections) likely proved fatal. All these can be determined from the aggregate data which is published by the Feds. What we do not yet have is the body so as to examine the method of murder - and it is likely that there were many attacks so was it the stab to the liver, the pipe bashing the head, etc that caused the fatal damage (but they all contributed to the outcome). To get this, we need audit results to examine the ballots and the machines (including internal software). So far, except for AZ, I am unaware of any efforts in this direction.

4. So far I have not seen anything definitive that the software is intentionally corrupted but there are a number of concerning questions that need to be investigated with full access to the machines. The pattern in results however (barely losing statewide races in red/swing states but massive GOP gains to congressional seats), leans toward cheating by "stuffin the ballots" rather than wholesale programming of the machines or presumably they would have cut back on the congressional wins. Besides, there are several ways that election insiders can use features in the software to their benefit to cheat without the machine maker being in on it in any way. Two main concepts here tho - 1. there should not be any HARDWARE capability of the machines to network. It violates election law in most states for there to be ANY wireless connection, WAN, internet or otherwise. 2. Once the software and bios have been installed, tested and certified, there is absolutely NO reason for an "update". The only thing would be to load the ballot config but that does not in any way change the operating software or the OS.

5. None of this has anything to do with Trump really - not anymore. That stopped, as intended, when Biden was sworn in. Why the forensic investigation of this MUST be done, however, is so that people can trust that the elections are held fairly, even if they do not like the final result and even if sometimes the people are incompetent's. If, as the GOPers allege, the elections were held unfairly, it not only stole the presidency from them but probably 4 senate seats (GA 2, AZ, MI). More damaging even than that single cycle loss, however, is the simple fact that if they do not fix the holes the rats made, Republicans will not win another presidential or statewide tossup race for the foreseeable future. It is also why I think all this talk of the Newsom recall is premature - "it matters not who does the voting, as long as I do the counting", says the party hack.

6. This was not engineered by some vast conspiracy of your local dem voting machine clerk, who is making minimum wage but happy for the gov benefits. The team who would have done this are likely no more than 20-30 serious operatives like I used to be who really knew what was happening. Most everyone else would be simply unquestioning soldiers who value their county machine appointed job and would probably just be following orders from the chief clerk or deputy without knowing really what it was all about. That chief is getting the orders to follow from a consultant whom the local machine has been told to listen to. That is how it works.

All I can say is that it was considerably harder to cheat when we had the lever machines. Still possible of course, bussing people to pollsites, etc. But I remember when we had made the transition to the new ballot readers but still had all the old machines from all counties in a single, absolutely enormous warehouse (in case we needed for backup), the one we used to sequester them after Hillary's primary. It was an amazing site really. Hot too, dang warehouses in the summer. When the new machines came, they had to spend more on air conditioning because the imaging drums were melting (plus I was having union troubles threatening works stoppage)
You are pompous... on top of being full of $hit.
 
The first link is to The Gateway Pundit. You couldn't possibly expect anyone to take them seriously, and yet you are constantly posting links to their site. The second link is to some site that I've never heard of before.

Everything related to Eric Coomer has been debunked by one of the far right outlets (Newsmax) who had also been spreading those lies.
 
Ah, the mighty keyboard warrior, slinging barbs of stupidity while safely ensconced in an impregnable tower of ignorance. You are clearly not the sort who can discern the difference between posting of truth carefully parsed and the aggrandized rantings of trolls so I will not waste effort in trying to disabuse you of your errant prejudicial opinions. No value in wrestling with the pig and its bacon not worth taking.

As to your other comment regarding fraud, I place this here to inform those who may yet desire a free and educated discussion of ideas:

1. AG Barr's statement was perhaps true as of 3 weeks after the election. I have my strong suspicions, however, as to how much investigating he (or his staff, the same staff largely that tried to help engineer a virtual coup on President Trump with the FBI and intelligence agencies) actually did. That said, like most criminal investigations, especially of fraud or cybercrime, it takes many months to put together a solid case, even when you know something happened (because you have to prove it in court)

2. In my experience, cheating happens every election across multiple levels but what made this one different is the scale. One could say they were better prepared than when they were surprised in 2016 but I think it was simply the pandemic which enabled them to change the laws toward (no ID) mail in ballots, sending them out unrequested, then "bundling" them, which allowed operatives to show up at election HQ with stacks of completed ballots. That completes the process circle - a. how to get a live ballot, b. fill it out as you like (or copy if you are in a rush) and c. how to get it back into the system undetected or with a knowing wink. This process allowed the big city Dem machines in swing states to put in enough fraudulent votes to cover the statewide races.

3. I have not seen "proof" because various evidence has really not gone to court. There was a rush to throw things in closer to the election but most of those did not have the time to pull everything together. As it stands currently, in analogous CSI parlance, we "know" their was substantial fraud because we can see the outline of the body as we examine the crime scene. We see the blood spatter and can ascertain from the amount of blood and its directionality that wounds to the victim (democratic elections) likely proved fatal. All these can be determined from the aggregate data which is published by the Feds. What we do not yet have is the body so as to examine the method of murder - and it is likely that there were many attacks so was it the stab to the liver, the pipe bashing the head, etc that caused the fatal damage (but they all contributed to the outcome). To get this, we need audit results to examine the ballots and the machines (including internal software). So far, except for AZ, I am unaware of any efforts in this direction.

4. So far I have not seen anything definitive that the software is intentionally corrupted but there are a number of concerning questions that need to be investigated with full access to the machines. The pattern in results however (barely losing statewide races in red/swing states but massive GOP gains to congressional seats), leans toward cheating by "stuffin the ballots" rather than wholesale programming of the machines or presumably they would have cut back on the congressional wins. Besides, there are several ways that election insiders can use features in the software to their benefit to cheat without the machine maker being in on it in any way. Two main concepts here tho - 1. there should not be any HARDWARE capability of the machines to network. It violates election law in most states for there to be ANY wireless connection, WAN, internet or otherwise. 2. Once the software and bios have been installed, tested and certified, there is absolutely NO reason for an "update". The only thing would be to load the ballot config but that does not in any way change the operating software or the OS.

5. None of this has anything to do with Trump really - not anymore. That stopped, as intended, when Biden was sworn in. Why the forensic investigation of this MUST be done, however, is so that people can trust that the elections are held fairly, even if they do not like the final result and even if sometimes the people are incompetent's. If, as the GOPers allege, the elections were held unfairly, it not only stole the presidency from them but probably 4 senate seats (GA 2, AZ, MI). More damaging even than that single cycle loss, however, is the simple fact that if they do not fix the holes the rats made, Republicans will not win another presidential or statewide tossup race for the foreseeable future. It is also why I think all this talk of the Newsom recall is premature - "it matters not who does the voting, as long as I do the counting", says the party hack.

6. This was not engineered by some vast conspiracy of your local dem voting machine clerk, who is making minimum wage but happy for the gov benefits. The team who would have done this are likely no more than 20-30 serious operatives like I used to be who really knew what was happening. Most everyone else would be simply unquestioning soldiers who value their county machine appointed job and would probably just be following orders from the chief clerk or deputy without knowing really what it was all about. That chief is getting the orders to follow from a consultant whom the local machine has been told to listen to. That is how it works.

All I can say is that it was considerably harder to cheat when we had the lever machines. Still possible of course, bussing people to pollsites, etc. But I remember when we had made the transition to the new ballot readers but still had all the old machines from all counties in a single, absolutely enormous warehouse (in case we needed for backup), the one we used to sequester them after Hillary's primary. It was an amazing site really. Hot too, dang warehouses in the summer. When the new machines came, they had to spend more on air conditioning because the imaging drums were melting (plus I was having union troubles threatening works stoppage)


Don't waste your time arguing with BB. Talk about an absolute waste of time.
 
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That first part was directed at the one quoted. If you feel you "resemble" that remark, however, you are free to own it if you wish.

I understood quite well. I just thought it was pretty incredible you had such a lucid thought about someone else and then went into a lengthy diatribe that was as fictional as your avatar and screen name.
 
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Ah, the mighty keyboard warrior, slinging barbs of stupidity while safely ensconced in an impregnable tower of ignorance. You are clearly not the sort who can discern the difference between posting of truth carefully parsed and the aggrandized rantings of trolls so I will not waste effort in trying to disabuse you of your errant prejudicial opinions. No value in wrestling with the pig and its bacon not worth taking.

As to your other comment regarding fraud, I place this here to inform those who may yet desire a free and educated discussion of ideas:

1. AG Barr's statement was perhaps true as of 3 weeks after the election. I have my strong suspicions, however, as to how much investigating he (or his staff, the same staff largely that tried to help engineer a virtual coup on President Trump with the FBI and intelligence agencies) actually did. That said, like most criminal investigations, especially of fraud or cybercrime, it takes many months to put together a solid case, even when you know something happened (because you have to prove it in court)

2. In my experience, cheating happens every election across multiple levels but what made this one different is the scale. One could say they were better prepared than when they were surprised in 2016 but I think it was simply the pandemic which enabled them to change the laws toward (no ID) mail in ballots, sending them out unrequested, then "bundling" them, which allowed operatives to show up at election HQ with stacks of completed ballots. That completes the process circle - a. how to get a live ballot, b. fill it out as you like (or copy if you are in a rush) and c. how to get it back into the system undetected or with a knowing wink. This process allowed the big city Dem machines in swing states to put in enough fraudulent votes to cover the statewide races.

3. I have not seen "proof" because various evidence has really not gone to court. There was a rush to throw things in closer to the election but most of those did not have the time to pull everything together. As it stands currently, in analogous CSI parlance, we "know" their was substantial fraud because we can see the outline of the body as we examine the crime scene. We see the blood spatter and can ascertain from the amount of blood and its directionality that wounds to the victim (democratic elections) likely proved fatal. All these can be determined from the aggregate data which is published by the Feds. What we do not yet have is the body so as to examine the method of murder - and it is likely that there were many attacks so was it the stab to the liver, the pipe bashing the head, etc that caused the fatal damage (but they all contributed to the outcome). To get this, we need audit results to examine the ballots and the machines (including internal software). So far, except for AZ, I am unaware of any efforts in this direction.

4. So far I have not seen anything definitive that the software is intentionally corrupted but there are a number of concerning questions that need to be investigated with full access to the machines. The pattern in results however (barely losing statewide races in red/swing states but massive GOP gains to congressional seats), leans toward cheating by "stuffin the ballots" rather than wholesale programming of the machines or presumably they would have cut back on the congressional wins. Besides, there are several ways that election insiders can use features in the software to their benefit to cheat without the machine maker being in on it in any way. Two main concepts here tho - 1. there should not be any HARDWARE capability of the machines to network. It violates election law in most states for there to be ANY wireless connection, WAN, internet or otherwise. 2. Once the software and bios have been installed, tested and certified, there is absolutely NO reason for an "update". The only thing would be to load the ballot config but that does not in any way change the operating software or the OS.

5. None of this has anything to do with Trump really - not anymore. That stopped, as intended, when Biden was sworn in. Why the forensic investigation of this MUST be done, however, is so that people can trust that the elections are held fairly, even if they do not like the final result and even if sometimes the people are incompetent's. If, as the GOPers allege, the elections were held unfairly, it not only stole the presidency from them but probably 4 senate seats (GA 2, AZ, MI). More damaging even than that single cycle loss, however, is the simple fact that if they do not fix the holes the rats made, Republicans will not win another presidential or statewide tossup race for the foreseeable future. It is also why I think all this talk of the Newsom recall is premature - "it matters not who does the voting, as long as I do the counting", says the party hack.

6. This was not engineered by some vast conspiracy of your local dem voting machine clerk, who is making minimum wage but happy for the gov benefits. The team who would have done this are likely no more than 20-30 serious operatives like I used to be who really knew what was happening. Most everyone else would be simply unquestioning soldiers who value their county machine appointed job and would probably just be following orders from the chief clerk or deputy without knowing really what it was all about. That chief is getting the orders to follow from a consultant whom the local machine has been told to listen to. That is how it works.

All I can say is that it was considerably harder to cheat when we had the lever machines. Still possible of course, bussing people to pollsites, etc. But I remember when we had made the transition to the new ballot readers but still had all the old machines from all counties in a single, absolutely enormous warehouse (in case we needed for backup), the one we used to sequester them after Hillary's primary. It was an amazing site really. Hot too, dang warehouses in the summer. When the new machines came, they had to spend more on air conditioning because the imaging drums were melting (plus I was having union troubles threatening works stoppage)
Cliffsnotes Version: Trump lost, therefore Biden had to cheat.
 
Pffft .... How could any reasonable person think there would be a conflict of interest involved with the losing candidate in an election, funding an audit of that same election?

This has not been a transparent audit. This has not been an independent audit. This has not even been an audit at all. This has been a Republican sham.
Hope they required prepayment if Trump is footing the bill.
 
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Still no audit report? For a made up disease that was overblown by the media just to screw with Trump, the Rona sure has put the hurt on Audit Kai Dojo.
 
Ah, the mighty keyboard warrior, slinging barbs of stupidity while safely ensconced in an impregnable tower of ignorance. You are clearly not the sort who can discern the difference between posting of truth carefully parsed and the aggrandized rantings of trolls so I will not waste effort in trying to disabuse you of your errant prejudicial opinions. No value in wrestling with the pig and its bacon not worth taking.

As to your other comment regarding fraud, I place this here to inform those who may yet desire a free and educated discussion of ideas:

1. AG Barr's statement was perhaps true as of 3 weeks after the election. I have my strong suspicions, however, as to how much investigating he (or his staff, the same staff largely that tried to help engineer a virtual coup on President Trump with the FBI and intelligence agencies) actually did. That said, like most criminal investigations, especially of fraud or cybercrime, it takes many months to put together a solid case, even when you know something happened (because you have to prove it in court)

2. In my experience, cheating happens every election across multiple levels but what made this one different is the scale. One could say they were better prepared than when they were surprised in 2016 but I think it was simply the pandemic which enabled them to change the laws toward (no ID) mail in ballots, sending them out unrequested, then "bundling" them, which allowed operatives to show up at election HQ with stacks of completed ballots. That completes the process circle - a. how to get a live ballot, b. fill it out as you like (or copy if you are in a rush) and c. how to get it back into the system undetected or with a knowing wink. This process allowed the big city Dem machines in swing states to put in enough fraudulent votes to cover the statewide races.

3. I have not seen "proof" because various evidence has really not gone to court. There was a rush to throw things in closer to the election but most of those did not have the time to pull everything together. As it stands currently, in analogous CSI parlance, we "know" their was substantial fraud because we can see the outline of the body as we examine the crime scene. We see the blood spatter and can ascertain from the amount of blood and its directionality that wounds to the victim (democratic elections) likely proved fatal. All these can be determined from the aggregate data which is published by the Feds. What we do not yet have is the body so as to examine the method of murder - and it is likely that there were many attacks so was it the stab to the liver, the pipe bashing the head, etc that caused the fatal damage (but they all contributed to the outcome). To get this, we need audit results to examine the ballots and the machines (including internal software). So far, except for AZ, I am unaware of any efforts in this direction.

4. So far I have not seen anything definitive that the software is intentionally corrupted but there are a number of concerning questions that need to be investigated with full access to the machines. The pattern in results however (barely losing statewide races in red/swing states but massive GOP gains to congressional seats), leans toward cheating by "stuffin the ballots" rather than wholesale programming of the machines or presumably they would have cut back on the congressional wins. Besides, there are several ways that election insiders can use features in the software to their benefit to cheat without the machine maker being in on it in any way. Two main concepts here tho - 1. there should not be any HARDWARE capability of the machines to network. It violates election law in most states for there to be ANY wireless connection, WAN, internet or otherwise. 2. Once the software and bios have been installed, tested and certified, there is absolutely NO reason for an "update". The only thing would be to load the ballot config but that does not in any way change the operating software or the OS.

5. None of this has anything to do with Trump really - not anymore. That stopped, as intended, when Biden was sworn in. Why the forensic investigation of this MUST be done, however, is so that people can trust that the elections are held fairly, even if they do not like the final result and even if sometimes the people are incompetent's. If, as the GOPers allege, the elections were held unfairly, it not only stole the presidency from them but probably 4 senate seats (GA 2, AZ, MI). More damaging even than that single cycle loss, however, is the simple fact that if they do not fix the holes the rats made, Republicans will not win another presidential or statewide tossup race for the foreseeable future. It is also why I think all this talk of the Newsom recall is premature - "it matters not who does the voting, as long as I do the counting", says the party hack.

6. This was not engineered by some vast conspiracy of your local dem voting machine clerk, who is making minimum wage but happy for the gov benefits. The team who would have done this are likely no more than 20-30 serious operatives like I used to be who really knew what was happening. Most everyone else would be simply unquestioning soldiers who value their county machine appointed job and would probably just be following orders from the chief clerk or deputy without knowing really what it was all about. That chief is getting the orders to follow from a consultant whom the local machine has been told to listen to. That is how it works.

All I can say is that it was considerably harder to cheat when we had the lever machines. Still possible of course, bussing people to pollsites, etc. But I remember when we had made the transition to the new ballot readers but still had all the old machines from all counties in a single, absolutely enormous warehouse (in case we needed for backup), the one we used to sequester them after Hillary's primary. It was an amazing site really. Hot too, dang warehouses in the summer. When the new machines came, they had to spend more on air conditioning because the imaging drums were melting (plus I was having union troubles threatening works stoppage)

/end thread....except for additional info from Wayne
 
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/end thread....except for additional info from Wayne

Gandolf slamdunked on BB and true colors and character were on full display in BowlBrother85 reply when all he had left was a pathetic attempt at an insult to a well thought out post explaining his views and opinions....I have no use for people like this
 
Gandolf slamdunked on BB and true colors and character were on full display in BowlBrother85 reply when all he had left was a pathetic attempt at an insult to a well thought out post explaining his views and opinions....I have no use for people like this

He stated them as facts not views. And you have no use for anyone that challenges your sources and conclusions.
 

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