Arizona Election Audit

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Vol8188 said:
So “believe the report when it says things we like, but not when it says other stuff?”
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The opinion of Trump's critics, regarding the findings contained in the Cyber Ninja's audit report, was never going to matter.... and it still doesn't.

The audit was commissioned by Arizona State Senate Republicans for the benefit of Trump's core base of support, intended to serve as a Republican fundraising tool, as well as being a case-in-point justification for stricter voting regulations nationwide, and also as a means of placating and pacifying the bruised ego of a narcissist in Donald Trump, who has too much pride to admit that he was legitimately defeated in the 2020 Presidential Election.

Indeed, the Republican Party did raise a great deal of money as a result of this audit, and they have successfully passed stricter voting laws across the country. It does come at a price, however. Those Arizona State Senate Republicans look like horses' a$$es right now, because they commissioned a company for 5 months of work, just to tell them that Joe Biden actually won Maricopa County by more votes than originally thought.

... and this has to be a gut punch to Trump's ego. He was counting on this, and it was a spectacular fail. Can he accuse the auditor, Doug Logan and the Cyber Ninjas, of being biased against him this time? LOL! No, he can't.

If Trump does keep this audit crap going in other states, it will begin to take on a very pathetic appearance. He should let it go.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I suspect that we have seen the last of @VolinWayne on the politics forum. Damn, this must feel like getting a 95 mph Nolan Ryan fastball to the nuts while not wearing a cup.
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I won't run and hide if I am proven wrong. I recommend everyone wait until the final and full report comes out later this afternoon. While it has been my firm belief that there was major fraud committed, if I am proven wrong I will still say that this audit was a huge success as it will play a major roll in restoring faith in our election systems. This is one instance where I honestly don't mind being proven wrong. All I want is the truth. I've said it before, it's not about Trump for me, it's about election integrity. I would love to know that our elections aren't run like a banana republic. But again, we need to wait until we have heard and seen the full report before we make a judgement.
 
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VolinWayne said:
I won't run and hide if I am proven wrong. I recommend everyone wait until the final and full report comes out later this afternoon. While it has been my firm belief that there was major fraud committed, if I am proven wrong I will still say that this audit was a huge success as it will play a major roll in restoring faith in our election systems. This is one instance where I honestly don't mind being proven wrong. All I want is the truth. I've said it before, it's not about Trump for me, it's about election integrity. I would love to know that our elections aren't run like a banana republic. But again, we need to wait until we have heard and seen the full report before we make a judgement.
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I am with you as I shudder to think that there was massive fraud. Something they fail to recognize is we are hoping there isnt.
 
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VolinWayne said:
I won't run and hide if I am proven wrong. I recommend everyone wait until the final and full report comes out later this afternoon. While it has been my firm belief that there was major fraud committed, if I am proven wrong I will still say that this audit was a huge success as it will play a major roll in restoring faith in our election systems. This is one instance where I honestly don't mind being proven wrong. All I want is the truth. I've said it before, it's not about Trump for me, it's about election integrity. I would love to know that our elections aren't run like a banana republic. But again, we need to wait until we have heard and seen the full report before we make a judgement.
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Well, first off, I commend you for showing up when you must know that you will be served crow.

... but a 5 month audit to find that Biden was the one who was short-changed, was a colossal waste of time.
 
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Am I reading that right, Biden picked up votes and Trump lost votes?

Oof.

Tough break big lie supporters, maybe you nut jobs can infest another State now and gin up more bullsh*t in hopes people are still paying attention at the next election.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Supposedly, the report and its conclusions are being revealed tomorrow. I interpret that to be a signal of the completion of the Maricopa County audit. If your reasoning is consistent, then any continued stonewalling of public records requests by the "Cyber Ninjas" after tomorrow, would invalidate their report and its conclusive findings.

... and it should be apparent by now that they have no intention of ever complying with those requests.
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Are you really that stupid?
I get that you’re a partisan hack and you’d expect your team to claim victory and not release all the information so they could say things that were not true and you’d believe them but in the real world audits and studies have more than a conclusion page to pass peer review.
If the report is released then there’s nothing to hold back any longer. If information is held back then it’s not a complete audit/study. If it’s incomplete then it’s useless.

See the muller report as your paradigm of hope. They released all the information and concluded that they had nothing and it was all political theater. I expect similar results today but we shall see.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Complete or incomplete, once the report is over they have no reason to refuse to comply. Some of the items requested might not be items you'd typically include in an audit report, but if they are subject to an open records request turn them over.
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Uhhhhhh, if they want information beyond the scope of the audit like the tax records of the auditors then **** them. If it’s contained in the report it gets released with the report.

Have y’all actually ever read a study or audit?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Watch him backtrack now.
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You are a complete ****ing hack with no base or consistency.
I on the other hand deal in facts every day. Unlike you my opinions don’t change depending on which side is talking.

Also voted 3rd party so I have no skin in this game. I Guerrero that helps too.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Are you really that stupid?
I get that you’re a partisan hack and you’d expect your team to claim victory and not release all the information so they could say things that were not true and you’d believe them but in the real world audits and studies have more than a conclusion page to pass peer review.
If the report is released then there’s nothing to hold back any longer. If information is held back then it’s not a complete audit/study. If it’s incomplete then it’s useless.

See the muller report as your paradigm of hope. They released all the information and concluded that they had nothing and it was all political theater. I expect similar results today but we shall see.
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That's not what Muller's report concluded in the least. Just goes to show, you can release everything but people will still try to interpret the findings to fit their agenda
 
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Velo Vol said:
The goalposts can always be moved.

As long as Redhats can keep conjuring up the specter of fraud having been committed somewhere, that will be enough for them to claim the entire system is bad. See demands to audit Texas now.
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No they really can’t.
And I’m always in favor of more study and audit. It keeps everyone honest. Also a Texas audit would be irrelevant to this one. But the Az stands on its on.
Also anyone thinking this would change who the President is doesn’t understand the constitution. The EC elected the president and even if there was “massive fraud “ that doesn’t prove the EC reps of Az would have voted differently.

I’m not sure what anyone else expected but the only thing this audit could produce would be reform. either way it’s good that it was done. It either confirmed things are ok or fixes a problem
 
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luthervol said:
That's not what Muller's report concluded in the least. Just goes to show, you can release everything but people will still try to interpret the findings to fit their agenda
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Only the blind hacks think that Luther. I read every bit of it and there was nothing there. No vast right wing suppression of the truth. Nothing.
Don’t worry though, I’m sure if this report goes as I expect there will be right wing luthers saying the results just are not being followed. Lol
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Uhhhhhh, if they want information beyond the scope of the audit like the tax records of the auditors then **** them. If it’s contained in the report it gets released with the report.

Have y’all actually ever read a study or audit?
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If its subject to public records requests, its subject to a public records request. End of story in my book.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
If its subject to public records requests, its subject to a public records request. End of story in my book.
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And if it’s relevant to the study/audit it’s released with the audit.
If it’s not relevant to the study then I don’t care.
Like I said tax records of the auditors are irrelevant to the audit.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
the real world audits and studies have more than a conclusion page to pass peer review.
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The "real world" you say? This is a company which refers to themselves as "Cyber Ninjas". Their CEO went on the record with a conclusion of massive fraud in Arizona months before accepting the responsibility of conducting this audit in Maricopa County. Now, how could anyone get the impression that they might be unprofessional? Silly me.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
And if it’s relevant to the study/audit it’s released with the audit.
If it’s not relevant to the study then I don’t care.
Like I said tax records of the auditors are irrelevant to the audit.
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If tax docs for this company are subject to public records request in AZ, turn 'em over. Cyber Ninjas don't get to dictate AZ state law. They subjected themselves to it.
 
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Yall are dry humping each over a report that is supposedly showing what you expected....why still bring it up.....much like russia people will believe only what they want regardless of facts or investigations...
Also why would trump want am audit in. State he won in..if it was just about him...yall got TDS so bad you wouldnt believe anything said in the report..Trump isn't president...let it go and focus on the **** show yall elected that destroying our country.....
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Yall are dry humping each over a report that is supposedly showing what you expected....why still bring it up.....much like russia people will believe only what they want regardless of facts or investigations...
Also why would trump want am audit in. State he won in..if it was just about him...yall got TDS so bad you wouldnt believe anything said in the report..Trump isn't president...let it go and focus on the **** show yall elected that destroying our country.....
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This audit started in April. It has been an ongoing topic of discussion and now that the audit is over, it shouldn't be discussed?
 
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