Arizona Pastor Arrested, Jailed for Holding Bible Study in Home

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Bible study leader Michael Salman is sitting in jail today after his home was raided earlier this week by more than a dozen Phoenix, Ariz. police officers and city officials. His offense? The city says people aren’t allowed to hold private bible studies on their own property.

Salman was sentenced to 60 days in jail, three years probation and received a $12,180 fine for “the crime.”

Arizona Pastor Arrested, Jailed for Holding Bible Study in Home; His Wife Says It ‘Defies Logic’ | Fox News Insider
 
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lots of details left out to really judge but I'm not sure even that would justify the jail sentence
 
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Even the most rudimentary Google search demonstrates this is about a wee bit more than just having church at home. Repeat problem, 67 code violations.

67.

How that little minor factoid isn't mentioned in the Fox story is just .. well ... incredibly bad journalism by them. Par for the course.

Shame on Fox for pathetic reporting and intentional omission of basic key facts. Shame on OP for not bothering to consider possibility there was more to it than was in the posted article.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Even the most rudimentary Google search demonstrates this is about a wee bit more than just having church at home. Repeat problem, 67 code violations.

67.

How that little minor factoid isn't mentioned in the Fox story is just .. well ... incredibly bad journalism by them. Par for the course.

Shame on Fox for pathetic reporting and intentional omission of basic key facts. Shame on OP for not bothering to consider possibility there was more to it than was in the posted article.
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God, You really are a schmuck.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Even the most rudimentary Google search demonstrates this is about a wee bit more than just having church at home. Repeat problem, 67 code violations.

67.

How that little minor factoid isn't mentioned in the Fox story is just .. well ... incredibly bad journalism by them. Par for the course.

Shame on Fox for pathetic reporting and intentional omission of basic key facts. Shame on OP for not bothering to consider possibility there was more to it than was in the posted article.
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the code violations are likely based on residential vs commercial and not really that important. If he's using his home to have friends over and discuss religion then I really don't see the issue. No different than poker night, Pampered chef, watching Sunday football or a weekly neighborhood bbq.

there's still info missing but you're not even close to providing it in your post
 
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What were the other 67 violations for and over what period of time? How many people are allowed in ones home at one time (in Phoenix) and is there prohibitions on what they can do in their own home? For example birthday parties, family dinners, anti-america flag burning functions?

Really don't see how the city can tell you how many or when you can invite people to your house.
 
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Again, basic Google search shows he's been doing this for about seven years. And while its not huge, its not just a few guys playing cards, either. He's holding a service there.

If you think local Arizona police and town officials are doing this just to be mean and persecute some do-gooder that's just because you want to buy into the fake and absurd notion that government is anti-Christian.

Its not. Its anti-jackarses like this breaking basic zoning laws that do, in fact, serve a pretty decent purpose.
 
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Agree there are details missing. Code violations rarely result in police raids and jail sentences.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Again, basic Google search shows he's been doing this for about seven years. And while its not huge, its not just a few guys playing cards, either. He's holding a service there.

If you think local Arizona police and town officials are doing this just to be mean and persecute some do-gooder that's just because you want to buy into the fake and absurd notion that government is anti-Christian.

Its not. Its anti-jackarses like this breaking basic zoning laws that do, in fact, serve a pretty decent purpose.
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you have no clue about the police in Maricopa Co. You have no details to back your claims either

if it's 20 people sitting on couches in his house there is nothing wrong. If it's 20 people sitting in a separate room he built full of pews, pulpit, etc then it's quite another
 
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lawgator1 said:
Again, basic Google search shows he's been doing this for about seven years. And while its not huge, its not just a few guys playing cards, either. He's holding a service there.

If you think local Arizona police and town officials are doing this just to be mean and persecute some do-gooder that's just because you want to buy into the fake and absurd notion that government is anti-Christian.

Its not. Its anti-jackarses like this breaking basic zoning laws that do, in fact, serve a pretty decent purpose.
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I agree it is more likely a case of a POed neighbor with connections that has used an absurd city code to settle a dispute.

I have googled it and can't find anything with the number of people involved. I can see a problem with 50 to 100 people showing up every Wed night no matter what they are doing. If it was 10 or 15 people once a week I just don't understand how the city can regulate that?
 
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utvolpj said:
you have no clue about the police in Maricopa Co. You have no details to back your claims either

if it's 20 people sitting on couches in his house there is nothing wrong. If it's 20 people sitting in a separate room he built full of pews, pulpit, etc then it's quite another
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I agree it is more likely a case of a POed neighbor with connections that has used an absurd city code to settle a dispute.

I have googled it and can't find anything with the number of people involved. I can see a problem with 50 to 100 people showing up every Wed night no matter what they are doing. If it was 10 or 15 people once a week I just don't understand how the city can regulate that?
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I'm reading it got too big for his house so he moved it to some kind of other structure, 2,000 sq feet, on his property for which he got a permit. But, the permit expressly forbade using it for any sort of public or business gathering, including church. Reason being you need basic things like exit signs, etc.

The problem is that if you let this guy do this because its just some nice religious folks, then what happens when its a political or business or civic group and they've got people coming and going each week and there's no basic rules followed as to codes meant for public safety?

If it were a Muslim cleric having Muslims over for prayers and they had to move it to some other building on the property, and they were ignoring repeated calls by the City to obey basic code and zoning laws for seven freaking years, some of you on here would be calling it a "compound" and demanding it be shut down.

Just because he's a Christian preacher gives him no right to ignore basic laws and reasonable requests for compliance for seven years.
 
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lawgator1 said:
But, the permit expressly forbade using it for any sort of public or business gathering, including church. Reason being you need basic things like exit signs, etc.
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and can you provide a link that he is in violation of that code? Just having people over to his house proves nothing
 
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hog88 said:
What were the other 67 violations for and over what period of time? How many people are allowed in ones home at one time (in Phoenix) and is there prohibitions on what they can do in their own home? For example birthday parties, family dinners, anti-america flag burning functions?

Really don't see how the city can tell you how many or when you can invite people to your house.
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If I was your next door neighbor, and had a family dinner three times a week for the past seven years, with the one on Sundays bringing in around 60 visitors and clogging up neighborhood streets that aren't designed for that kind of traffic; I bet you would consider suggesting that I find a more appropriate venue.

There is a reason we have zoning laws, and that is what this is about.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm reading it got too big for his house so he moved it to some kind of other structure, 2,000 sq feet, on his property for which he got a permit. But, the permit expressly forbade using it for any sort of public or business gathering, including church. Reason being you need basic things like exit signs, etc.

The problem is that if you let this guy do this because its just some nice religious folks, then what happens when its a political or business or civic group and they've got people coming and going each week and there's no basic rules followed as to codes meant for public safety?

If it were a Muslim cleric having Muslims over for prayers and they had to move it to some other building on the property, and they were ignoring repeated calls by the City to obey basic code and zoning laws for seven freaking years, some of you on here would be calling it a "compound" and demanding it be shut down.

Just because he's a Christian preacher gives him no right to ignore basic laws and reasonable requests for compliance for seven years.
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But again, how often does someone go to jail for code violations?
 
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utvolpj said:
and can you provide a link that he is in violation of that code? Just having people over to his house proves nothing
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Its on foxnews radio website. I just closed the window but I'll get it for you if you can't find it.



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But again, how often does someone go to jail for code violations?
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Actually, after seven years of ignoring the notices and demands and steadily escalating efforts to get compliance which are ignored, its not that unusual.

What is unusual is someone ignoring those notices and demands and steadily escalating efforts to get compliance for seven years.
 
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YorkVol said:
But again, how often does someone go to jail for code violations?
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very easily if you ignore it. Overkill but that's local govt for you

I just had it threatened on me when I had my kitchen done. Of course it was all about some personal thing between the plumber/inspector but in the end I had to pay to have it fixed and inspected

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If I was your next door neighbor, and had a family dinner three times a week for the past seven years, with the one on Sundays bringing in around 60 visitors and clogging up neighborhood streets that aren't designed for that kind of traffic; I bet you would consider suggesting that I find a more appropriate venue.

There is a reason we have zoning laws, and that is what this is about.
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I believe it said he lives on 4.5 acres. I doubt parking is an issue
 
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utvolpj said:
I believe it said he lives on 4.5 acres. I doubt parking is an issue
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4.5 acres hosting meetings of Muslims who defy basic reasonable local ordinances for seven years = sharia law death training camp that must be carpet bombed.

4.5 acres hosting meetings of Christians who defy basic reasonable local ordinances for seven years = persecuted Christian martyr who is championed on Fox as hero.
 
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lawgator1 said:
4.5 acres hosting meetings of Muslims who defy basic reasonable local ordinances for seven years = sharia law death training camp that must be carpet bombed.

4.5 acres hosting meetings of Christians who defy basic reasonable local ordinances for seven years = persecuted Christian martyr who is championed on Fox as hero.
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please don't quote me if you're going to type such nonsense. You should be well aware of my feelings on both
 
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