ARK hires Gus Malzahn as new OC

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This was Mustain's high school coach. I guess that means he will probably end up as a PIG.
 
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This has been in the works for awhile from what I've read.

Does it strike anyone else as a little odd to hire a high school coach as an offensive coordinator?
 
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yes...they must really want this kid. more power to 'em, but i wonder how this guy will do in the SEC against some real defenses...whew brother...talk about baptism by fire!!!
 
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Of course, they probably figure that there is little they could do that would make their offense regress any further.
 
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This is a knee jerk reaction by Nutt and Co. They want to be able to say they did everything possible to appease this kid. IMO we don't have much of a shot at this kid anyway. I think he will wind up at ND.
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Dec 9, 2005 3:22 PM
This has been in the works for awhile from what I've read.

Does it strike anyone else as a little odd to hire a high school coach as an offensive coordinator?
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In one word...C-R-A-Z-Y!! :drive2:
 
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Originally posted by JPTurtle@Dec 9, 2005 4:20 PM
This was Mustain's high school coach. I guess that means he will probably end up as a PIG.
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I would laugh if Mustain then decides to go somewhere else and Nutt is stuck with him as a coordinator. lol
 
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could happen, but are we seeing the makings of another Albert Means story??? is there an under the table deal breaker in that contract somewhere???
 
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I think this is probably the best coaching/recruiting move Nutt has ever made. This guy will be OC by title only, Nutt will most likely continue the play calling and most of the hands on offensive coaching and stategy (as he has his entire time at Arkansas.) This not only assures him the best QB prospect in the nation, it also keeps Mustain off of UT (we play Arkansas in 06 and 07.) He also got rid of his QB coach, and who better to continue developing Mustain than the man who has developed him for the past 4 years...
 
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Why the @#$#%$# are colleges doing this much to pull in recruits that are not a guaranteed thing? My God this seems foolish. Pulling a high school coach to go straight to a OC position and of all conferences. Try QB coach or something.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 3:45 PM
I think this is probably the best coaching/recruiting move Nutt has ever made.  This guy will be OC by title only, Nutt will most likely continue the play calling and most of the hands on offensive coaching and stategy (as he has his entire time at Arkansas.)  This not only assures him the best QB prospect in the nation, it also keeps Mustain off of UT (we play Arkansas in 06 and 07.)  He also got rid of his QB coach, and who better to continue developing Mustain than the man who has developed him for the past 4 years...
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I agree it is a overall good move for the piglets. We will be OK with Crompton.
 
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I could see maybe hiring the guy as a position coach of some sort, but OC! Dang! I guess they are use to losing seasons so whats a few more. I would think with Nutts job on the line next year he would have been looking for a well known tried and true OC. Theirs too much talent out there at QB to give a HS coach a OC job to keep A QB recruit. We dang sure don't need any recruit that bad. Its not like this is the head coach for Da la Sal.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 4:45 PM
I think this is probably the best coaching/recruiting move Nutt has ever made.  This guy will be OC by title only, Nutt will most likely continue the play calling and most of the hands on offensive coaching and stategy (as he has his entire time at Arkansas.)  This not only assures him the best QB prospect in the nation, it also keeps Mustain off of UT (we play Arkansas in 06 and 07.)  He also got rid of his QB coach, and who better to continue developing Mustain than the man who has developed him for the past 4 years...
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i hope there's some sarcasm in there somewhere....if the kid is smart, he knows he needs next level development if he's that good, and he's not going to get that from his high school coach, no matter what color shirt he happens to wear....

If he were smart, he'd got a ND or TN or USC and get coached by someone that has a track record....getting developed in to a D1 prospect is one thing, getting developed in to an SEC qb is quite another.... :matrix:
 
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Originally posted by jakez4ut@Dec 9, 2005 5:04 PM
i hope there's some sarcasm in there somewhere....if the kid is smart, he knows he needs next level development if he's that good, and he's not going to get that from his high school coach, no matter what color shirt he happens to wear....

If he were smart, he'd got a ND or TN or USC and get coached by someone that has a track record....getting developed in to a D1 prospect is one thing, getting developed in to an SEC qb is quite another.... :matrix:
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Between his HS coach who already knows what buttons to push, and Nutt who developed Matt Jones pretty well, I think the kid will turn out just fine.

Also, don't think that UT hasn't played these games before. We gave up 2 scholarships for Daniel Brooks (Bo Hardigree) and when we didn't play the game we lost Cadillac Williams (he wanted to wear #24 and he wanted to be assured of significant PT his freshman year.) Also, who really knows how well Cutcliffe developed anyone...Shuler was only under Cut for a year, the Mannings were the sons of Archie, and Tee Martin spent hours learning the ins and outs of being a QB from Peyton...not Cut.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 5:12 PM
Between his HS coach who already knows what buttons to push, and Nutt who developed Matt Jones pretty well, I think the kid will turn out just fine.

Also, don't think that UT hasn't played these games before.  We gave up 2 scholarships for Daniel Brooks (Bo Hardigree) and when we didn't play the game we lost Cadillac Williams (he wanted to wear #24 and he wanted to be assured of significant PT his freshman year.)  Also, who really knows how well Cutcliffe developed anyone...Shuler was only under Cut for a year, the Mannings were the sons of Archie, and Tee Martin spent hours learning the ins and outs of being a QB from Peyton...not Cut.
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your going to hang your hat on Matt Jones? what position does he play in the NFL again? oh yeah, TE. next. Good college qb, no argument, great athelete....but a GREAT qb?

the recruiting is always been a game, and we may sign a buddy of someone or even a brother of someone to entice the bigger fish, but to my recollection, we have never hired a kid's high school coach to land a kid...that's a bit ridiculous.

and as to your how well Cut developed anyone....well, your certainly entitled to your opinion, but gimmie a break. I don't even necessarily disagree completely with the notion that coaching the manning kids will make anyone look good, but good grief, it wasn't like Cut was sitting around in a la z boy, drinking margarittas saying "go out there and throw it boys".

And as for T martin....well, let's just say i don't agree with you. you couldn't have had two qb's with as many differences as these two....

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But all of this to get a guy not proven in college? And if he gets injured? That's all fine and dandy if Nutt will still call plays...off of a 4-7 record. But to bank a lot of cash, an OC position (goes well for those on the staff getting stiffed), and several seasons on a HS coach for a recruit seems really dangerous to me. Does the AD, Pres, and boosters paying for this want to risk this? One injury can create all sorts of fun....
 
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 9, 2005 5:24 PM
But all of this to get a guy not proven in college? And if he gets injured? That's all fine and dandy if Nutt will still call plays...off of a 4-7 record. But to bank a lot of cash, an OC position (goes well for those on the staff getting stiffed), and several seasons on a HS coach for a recruit seems really dangerous to me. Does the AD, Pres, and boosters paying for this want to risk this? One injury can create all sorts of fun....
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The two previous arguments about UT not having hired someone's coach and/or dad to a position on the football team, is true. However, other very prominent schools have (Penn State) and it worked out pretty well there.

I never said that Cut didn't put any effort into the Mannings, but to argue that he is some kind of QB guru (as many in the Vol nation and the media have) is absolutely ludicrous. Tee Martin and Peyton definitely had different styles, but the way they read defenses was very similar, and that is what made them successful in college, Tee more so than Peyton.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 5:39 PM
The two previous arguments about UT not having hired someone's coach and/or dad to a position on the football team, is true.  However, other very prominent schools have (Penn State) and it worked out pretty well there.

I never said that Cut didn't put any effort into the Mannings, but to argue that he is some kind of QB guru (as many in the Vol nation and the media have) is absolutely ludicrous.  Tee Martin and Peyton definitely had different styles, but the way they read defenses was very similar, and that is what made them successful in college, Tee more so than Peyton.
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never said guru, my post stated he needs to go to a guy that has a track record, and Cut has that. How many OC's can say that they coached not only Peyton Manning but also Eli Manning? 1. and he's wearing orange. where are those two at now? #1 draft picks starting on division leading teams in the NFL.

he has a track record, and if nothing else, his experience with those two probably did as much to teach him about how a qb should develop as anything else. who better to make comparisons to two great qb's than the guy that developed them?

but you can't argue that qb's don't get better under him...you just can't. even the mannings got better with him....
 
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Originally posted by jakez4ut@Dec 9, 2005 5:44 PM
never said guru, my post stated  he needs to go to a guy that has a track record, and Cut has that.  How many OC's can say that they coached not only Peyton Manning but also Eli Manning?  1.  and he's wearing orange.  where are those two at now?  #1 draft picks starting on division leading teams in the NFL. 

he has a track record, and if nothing else, his experience with those two probably did as much to teach him about how a qb should develop as anything else.  who better to make comparisons to two great qb's than the guy that developed them? 

but you can't argue that qb's don't get better under him...you just can't.  even the mannings got better with him....
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I can easily argue that Cutcliffe does not have a track record, just as I would argue that Phil Jackson does not really have a track record. There are only 2 QBs that Cutcliffe has coached from their freshman year through graduation...they are the Mannings and they would have accelled anywhere. Did they get better in college? Of course they did, because they got bigger, stronger, and more mature...things that would have happened at any D1 school. What sets them apart is what Archie instilled in them, it is the same mental attitude that Archie approached the game with. Cutcliffe was just in the right place at the right time.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 5:49 PM
I can easily argue that Cutcliffe does not have a track record, just as I would argue that Phil Jackson does not really have a track record.  There are only 2 QBs that Cutcliffe has coached from their freshman year through graduation...they are the Mannings and they would have accelled anywhere.  Did they get better in college?  Of course they did, because they got bigger, stronger, and more mature...things that would have happened at any D1 school.  What sets them apart is what Archie instilled in them, it is the same mental attitude that Archie approached the game with.  Cutcliffe was just in the right place at the right time.
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i guess your glass is always half empty then.

your going to take a guy that has, what SIX or SEVEN world championship rings and say he doesn't have a track record? Ok. sure. whatever.

Your going to say that the guy that coached both Eli and Peyton was just "lucky" to be there and watch, and that them getting to #1 draft pick status, was genetic ONLY. Ok. sure. whatever.

get a clue dude. :hmm:
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 5:49 PM
I can easily argue that Cutcliffe does not have a track record, just as I would argue that Phil Jackson does not really have a track record.  There are only 2 QBs that Cutcliffe has coached from their freshman year through graduation...they are the Mannings and they would have accelled anywhere.  Did they get better in college?  Of course they did, because they got bigger, stronger, and more mature...things that would have happened at any D1 school.  What sets them apart is what Archie instilled in them, it is the same mental attitude that Archie approached the game with.  Cutcliffe was just in the right place at the right time.
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Since you brought it up though, i am curious...what were the bull and lakers before phil jackson got there? i don't know...did either of them win championships with thier rosters before he got to either one?

 
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Originally posted by jakez4ut@Dec 9, 2005 5:59 PM
i guess your glass is always half empty then. 

your going to take a guy that has, what SIX or SEVEN world championship rings and say he doesn't have a track record?  Ok.  sure.  whatever.

Your going to say that the guy that coached both Eli and Peyton was just "lucky" to be there and watch, and that them getting to #1 draft pick status, was genetic ONLY.  Ok.  sure.  whatever.

get a clue dude. :hmm:
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How do you even argue for Phil Jackson??? The facts prove that he was a beneficiary of circumstance.
1990-61 wins, championship
1991-67 wins, championship
1992-57 wins, championship
1993-55 wins, no Jordan
1994-47 wins, no Jordan
1995-72 wins, championship
1996-69 wins, championship
1997-62 wins, championship
His first 3 seasons with the Lakers, he gets 70 games from Bryant and O'Neal and wins championships. He gets less than 65 from Shaq and/or O'Neal and barely gets into the playoffs.

As for Cutcliffe, if he was such a great QB coach then why did the senior who took over the year after Eli do so poorly???
 
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