ARK hires Gus Malzahn as new OC

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Originally posted by smokedog#3@Dec 9, 2005 7:53 PM
i agree with sona,  that CUT is not the greatest QB coach in the world.  on the other hand he's pretty good.  i would not classify him as great,  but i would have to say he is very good.  if he can turn ainge into something that resembles a division 1 QB i would say he is great.  he is still not in telaford's league though.  teleford is the mastermind of the QB'S.
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If he turns Crompton into the stud he is hyped to be, I say Cutcliffe is legitimately good, if he turns Ainge into a solid SEC QB, then he is very good.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 6:50 PM
Eli had grown up always wanting to play for Ole Miss.  But, you can assume that both are habitual liars if you want to.
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Honestly do you think Eli would have went there if Cut wasn't there? Do you think he'd stake his claim with a team and a coach he didn't feel comfortable with?

For all the countering the Manning/Cutcliffe relationship, it's quite strange to see the brothers and Cut always together if the opportunity arises.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 6:50 PM
Yeah, apparently Weiss needed him too...Brady Quinn sets every ND passing record this year.  Oh wait, if Cutcliffe was still there, you would be crediting him with that success.

Peyton wanted to stay in the South but didn't want to play under Archie's shadow (he has even made that statement in interviews) so he went to UT.  Eli had grown up always wanting to play for Ole Miss.  But, you can assume that both are habitual liars if you want to.
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Some would argue that Cut got the Ole Miss job because they knew Archie would want him to play for Cut. To dismiss the influence that Cut had on Peyton is illogical.

Would Weiss, a certified genious hire a poor QB coach?

If one did concede that Cut was not as good as Tedford, that would make Cut the second best QB coach in the nation. That I can live with.
 
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i wouldn't say second best, but he is very good. there may be a few out there better but not many.
 
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Originally posted by smokedog#3@Dec 9, 2005 7:02 PM
i wouldn't say second best,  but he is very good.  there may be a few out there better but not many.
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whos better??
 
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Originally posted by vols2345@Dec 9, 2005 8:03 PM
whos better??
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Mike Leach, Texas Tech. He takes non blue chip recruits and turns out Ty Detmer type stats with them, every year.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 7:07 PM
Mike Leach, Texas Tech.  He takes non blue chip recruits and turns out Ty Detmer type stats with them, every year.
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that is no qb coach. he runs the spread offense, they pass 50 times a game. of course your numbers are going to look good. it doesnt matter if you are blue chip or not, if texas ran that offense, and had no defense like texas tech, they would put up 100 points a game..
 
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Originally posted by vols2345@Dec 9, 2005 8:10 PM
that is no qb coach.  he runs the spread offense, they pass 50 times a game.  of course your numbers are going to look good.  it doesnt matter if you are blue chip or not, if texas ran that offense, and had no defense like texas tech, they would put up 100 points a game..
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Yeah, but before he was at TT he ran the pro offense at Kentucky with Tim Couch. Kind of destroys both your arguments there.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 7:12 PM
Yeah, but before he was at TT he ran the pro offense at Kentucky with Tim Couch.  Kind of destroys both your arguments there.
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again, if you run that offense and pass 50+ times a game, you are going to look good no matter what. havent you ever noticed non of his qb's are worth two licks in the nfl??
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 7:12 PM
Yeah, but before he was at TT he ran the pro offense at Kentucky with Tim Couch.  Kind of destroys both your arguments there.
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Most of Couch's numbers were fluffed. Most of those yards were yards after the catch. He is a good example of having receivers making him look good.
 
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...what an idiot.. I guess you could argue then that due to Tim Couch be a great qb that Mike Leach didn't really need to coach him??
 
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Originally posted by vols2345@Dec 9, 2005 8:14 PM
again, if you run that offense and pass 50+ times a game, you are going to look good no matter what.  havent you ever noticed non of his qb's are worth two licks in the nfl??
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The job of college coaches is to win in college. The offense at Kentucky with Couch was no more pass happy than the offenses at UT and Ole Miss with Cutcliffe.

Also, with that argument, again, the only 2 Cutcliffe QBs to do anything in the NFL were the Mannings.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 7:17 PM
The job of college coaches is to win in college.  The offense at Kentucky with Couch was no more pass happy than the offenses at UT and Ole Miss with Cutcliffe.

Also, with that argument, again, the only 2 Cutcliffe QBs to do anything in the NFL were the Mannings.
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Exactly, and who coached both the mannings??? i think you can shut up now..
 
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and what about Mike Leach's qb's how have they done in the NFL hmm??? let's see Peyton Manning-hall of fame qb
Eli Manning- first year starter for NYG
Tee Martin- was never a great qb but Cut developed his skills enough to make him a championship winning qb
Shuler- not old enough to know but Im pretty sure injuries derailed his career
 
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 9, 2005 8:16 PM
Most of Couch's numbers were fluffed. Most of those yards were yards after the catch. He is a good example of having receivers making him look good.
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Receivers making Couch look good??? How many of those WRs can you name????
 
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teleford is the king. norm chow can develop qb's and i would put him ahead of CUT. michigan's oc can develop qb's i would say he is about equal to CUT. after that there really isn't anybody as good, so being in the top 5 in all of football is pretty impressive. i will give him the elite status after i see what he does with ainge. if he can turn him into an all sec QB he may jump up to #2, but i just don't see that happening. when you talk about shuler, manning even martin you are talking highly recruited QB's. teleford took aaron rodgers and made him a first round QB and nobody else was even recruiting him, now that is impressive. this is the first time ( pre shuler ) in a while that CUT has a QB that is a project let's see how he does with ainge. personally i think if crompton doesn't outperform him, i think it won't be pretty next season.










 
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Mike Leach is not know for his amazing qb coaching he is known for his offensive genius which gives his quarterbacks amazing stats... if that is your argument then let's see Tim Couch how is his career going right now, what about B.J. Symons who was a heisman trophy candidate :lol: what about Kingsbury, the fact is Cut's track record speaks for itself whether you believe it or not, Tedford is def. a better qb coach but as far as that goes Cut is in the upper echelon
 
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I've read Cutcliffe's bio. He never played college football. He started off as a high school coach in alabama. Was hired by UT as a tight end coach, then elevated to OL coach, then QB coach, and eventually OC. He coached at UT for over 20 years during this time.

I agree that Archie taught peyton and his brother how to throw. I think Cutcliffe taught them how to read defenses throw to recievers and how the offense works. I think this is what Cutcliffe excels at. Not teaching fundamentals per se. I think Archie taught them that.
 
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Tedford and Mike Leach are probably better qb coaches but if Cut can transform Ainge into an all-sec qb next year he will be in the same group as them because he was a complete wreck next year, then maybe when ainge or crompton gets drafted you can say "well they had all the talent so Cut didn't do anything"
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Dec 9, 2005 7:24 PM
I've read Cutcliffe's bio.  He never played college football.  He started off as a high school coach in alabama. Was hired by UT as a tight end coach, then elevated to OL coach, then QB coach, and eventually OC.  He coached at UT for over 20 years during this time.

I agree that Archie taught peyton and his brother how to throw.  I think Cutcliffe taught them how to read defenses throw to recievers and how the offense works.  I think this is what Cutcliffe excels at.  Not teaching fundamentals per se.  I think Archie taught them that.
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great post. and to further your argument, what are the mannings know for.......... reading defenses better than anyone else..
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Dec 9, 2005 7:24 PM
I've read Cutcliffe's bio.  He never played college football.  He started off as a high school coach in alabama. Was hired by UT as a tight end coach, then elevated to OL coach, then QB coach, and eventually OC.  He coached at UT for over 20 years during this time.

I agree that Archie taught peyton and his brother how to throw.  I think Cutcliffe taught them how to read defenses throw to recievers and how the offense works.  I think this is what Cutcliffe excels at.  Not teaching fundamentals per se.  I think Archie taught them that.
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true but who taught Tee Martin how to throw and who holds the record for highest percentage of passes completed in the SEC... ??? I guess Mr.Martin taught Tee everything he knows and was the one developing him into a NC winning qb?
 
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Originally posted by Chattownsfinest@Dec 9, 2005 8:22 PM
Mike Leach is not know for his amazing qb coaching he is known for his offensive genius which gives his quarterbacks amazing stats... if that is your argument then let's see Tim Couch how is his career going right now, what about B.J. Symons who was a heisman trophy candidate  :lol:  what about Kingsbury, the fact is Cut's track record speaks for itself whether you believe it or not, Tedford is def. a better qb coach but as far as that goes Cut is in the upper echelon
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So you are comparing the pro careers of non blue chippers Kingsbury, Symons, might as well Hodges, and Huepel to the list, to the pro careers of two #1 high school prospects, in trying to prove the effectiveness of a college coach? Fine, continue to convince yourself that Cutcliffe is on the level with Tedford, Leach, Loeffler, Carroll, Stoops, Mack Brown, Charlie Weiss, and the name everybody seems to be leaving out, Spurrier.
 
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and dont forget heath shuler, someone had to teach him....
 
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i really don't know if cut had to teach peyton to much. his work ethic and determination in my opinion is what makes him great. tom moore the oc for indy said peyton calls almost all the plays, now that is impressive. some of you are sounding like peyton wouldn't be that good if cut wasn't his Qb coach. i disagree i think no matter where he would have went he would have excelled.
 
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Originally posted by smokedog#3@Dec 9, 2005 7:31 PM
i really don't know if cut had to teach peyton to much.  his work ethic and determination in my opinion is what makes him great.  tom moore the oc for indy said peyton calls almost all the plays,  now that is impressive.  some of you are sounding like peyton wouldn't be that good if cut wasn't his Qb coach.  i disagree i think no matter where he would have went he would have excelled.
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yeah but you try and make it sound like Cut had nothing to do with it... i bet he would have stunk it up if RS was his oc...
 
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