ARK hires Gus Malzahn as new OC

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Originally posted by jakez4ut@Dec 9, 2005 6:03 PM
Since you brought it up though, i am curious...what were the bull and lakers before phil jackson got there?  i don't know...did either of them win championships with thier rosters before he got to either one?
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Well, the year that Jackson arrived at LAL was Kobe's first year to start more than 50 games. Prior to Jackson arriving in Chicago, Scottie Pippen wasn't playing.
 
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So this isnt like a rule violation of any sort what so ever???
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 4:49 PM
I can easily argue that Cutcliffe does not have a track record, just as I would argue that Phil Jackson does not really have a track record.  There are only 2 QBs that Cutcliffe has coached from their freshman year through graduation...they are the Mannings and they would have accelled anywhere.  Did they get better in college?  Of course they did, because they got bigger, stronger, and more mature...things that would have happened at any D1 school.  What sets them apart is what Archie instilled in them, it is the same mental attitude that Archie approached the game with.  Cutcliffe was just in the right place at the right time.
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Kind of like what Phil Simms instilled in his son Chris. That's a big assumption that one son would carry on the family goods much less both sons.
 
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well lets see. They are hiring a guy, who was the highschool coach of a player that they are highly recruiting. and there has to be some speculation he only got the job cause of mitch. I just feel that getting a job cause you think that...... oh well nvm.
 
#31
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Originally posted by vols2345@Dec 9, 2005 5:54 PM
well lets see. They are hiring a guy, who was the highschool coach of a player that they are highly recruiting.  and there has to be some speculation he only got the job cause of mitch.  I just feel that getting a job cause you think that...... oh well nvm.
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Conflict of interest....ethics....etc.

It seems like it's a shady way to get a recruit. I see money changing hands to basically guarantee a recruit. I know this is legal but boy does something like this smell.
 
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yeah and all the ark fans say its a great higher and all, but if Mitch doesnt go there, what are they going to say?
 
#33
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 9, 2005 6:53 PM
Kind of like what Phil Simms instilled in his son Chris. That's a big assumption that one son would carry on the family goods much less both sons.
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Look at the Colquitt's, the Barbers (each had different college coaches,) Kellen Winslow Jr., Barry Bonds, etc. It happens, and before I went around selling Cutcliffe's "track record," I would wait to see what he does with a QB with no lineage. Great QB coaches would be Mack Brown for what he has did with Applewhite and Vince Young (Young couldn't throw at all last year,) Bob Stoops getting everything out of Jason White and the two like named Hyple kids, etc. About the only thing anyone can credit Cutcliffe with, yet, is that he didn't screw the Mannings up. Basically he did with the Mannings what Clinton did with the technology inflated economy, he didn't do anything drastic to screw it up.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 6:00 PM
Look at the Colquitt's, the Barbers (each had different college coaches,) Kellen Winslow Jr., Barry Bonds, etc.  It happens, and before I went around selling Cutcliffe's "track record," I would wait to see what he does with a QB with no lineage.  Great QB coaches would be Mack Brown for what he has did with Applewhite and Vince Young (Young couldn't throw at all last year,) Bob Stoops getting everything out of Jason White and the two like named Hyple kids, etc.  About the only thing anyone can credit Cutcliffe with, yet, is that he didn't screw the Mannings up.  Basically he did with the Mannings what Clinton did with the technology inflated economy, he didn't do anything drastic to screw it up.
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eh i wouldnt go that far. Cutcliffe can coach, and i wouldnt go as far as he didnt screw them up, cause it takes a good coach to know what to call, when to call, what the qb is comfortable with, help him in the video room reading plays. I wouldnt say mack brown and bob stoops are better qb coaches than cutcliffe. they play in a weaker conference with weaker defenses and high powered offense, shoot i can throw for 2,000 yards in that conference.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 6:00 PM
Look at the Colquitt's, the Barbers (each had different college coaches,) Kellen Winslow Jr., Barry Bonds, etc.  It happens, and before I went around selling Cutcliffe's "track record," I would wait to see what he does with a QB with no lineage.  Great QB coaches would be Mack Brown for what he has did with Applewhite and Vince Young (Young couldn't throw at all last year,) Bob Stoops getting everything out of Jason White and the two like named Hyple kids, etc.  About the only thing anyone can credit Cutcliffe with, yet, is that he didn't screw the Mannings up.  Basically he did with the Mannings what Clinton did with the technology inflated economy, he didn't do anything drastic to screw it up.
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He did a fine job with Heath Shuler, number one pick who was not too bright, Andy Kelly, and Tee Martin as well. I would say that amounts to a track record catdaddy.

Nutt just sold his soul to the devil.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 6:00 PM
Great QB coaches would be Mack Brown for what he has did with Applewhite and Vince Young (Young couldn't throw at all last year,)
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And don't forget Chris Simms.....he worked wonders with him. Top ranked recruit, pedigree and all.
 
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Dec 9, 2005 7:11 PM
He did a fine job with Heath Shuler, number one pick who was not too bright,
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:eek:lol: good thing he is running for congress.
 
#38
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Originally posted by oklavol@Dec 9, 2005 6:20 PM
:eek:lol: good thing he is running for congress.
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That pretty much says it all. :fool: :fool: :fool:
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 4:12 PM
Between his HS coach who already knows what buttons to push, and Nutt who developed Matt Jones pretty well, I think the kid will turn out just fine.

Also, don't think that UT hasn't played these games before.  We gave up 2 scholarships for Daniel Brooks (Bo Hardigree) and when we didn't play the game we lost Cadillac Williams (he wanted to wear #24 and he wanted to be assured of significant PT his freshman year.)  Also, who really knows how well Cutcliffe developed anyone...Shuler was only under Cut for a year, the Mannings were the sons of Archie, and Tee Martin spent hours learning the ins and outs of being a QB from Peyton...not Cut.
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There is a BIG difference in taking a player to get another and making a high school coach OC at an SEC school to get a QB. Also, what evidence do you have that Cut is NOT a great QB coach?
 
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Well Heath will either fit right in or it can't get any worse and he will excel.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 4:49 PM
I can easily argue that Cutcliffe does not have a track record, just as I would argue that Phil Jackson does not really have a track record.  There are only 2 QBs that Cutcliffe has coached from their freshman year through graduation...they are the Mannings and they would have accelled anywhere.  Did they get better in college?  Of course they did, because they got bigger, stronger, and more mature...things that would have happened at any D1 school.  What sets them apart is what Archie instilled in them, it is the same mental attitude that Archie approached the game with.  Cutcliffe was just in the right place at the right time.
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This is by far the dumbest post i've seen on this board
 
#42
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Originally posted by vols2345@Dec 9, 2005 7:08 PM
eh i wouldnt go that far.  Cutcliffe can coach, and i wouldnt go as far as he didnt screw them up, cause it takes a good coach to know what to call, when to call, what the qb is comfortable with, help him in the video room reading plays.  I wouldnt say mack brown and bob stoops are better qb coaches than cutcliffe. they play in a weaker conference with weaker defenses and high powered offense, shoot i can throw for 2,000 yards in that conference.
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Big XII is having one down year, 2005, and to compensate for that Vince Young went into the Horseshoe and beat Ohio State.

If you are going to credit Cutcliffe with Shuler, then you also have to throw in all 17 years he was with UT, in which he sent only 2 quarterbacks to the NFL (Peyton and Shuler.) So, the other 9 years and 4 QBs just got left out in the cold. Great track record...still don't know what the whole catdaddy thing as about.
 
#43
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Catdaddy: noun... nickname assigned by Lexvol when addressing some posters on Volnation. Latin derivitive: Feline Padre

I would say that Andy, Tee, and Heath Shuler all over achieved. Now, how many QB coaches have had three number one draft picks overall?
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 6:30 PM
Big XII is having one down year, 2005, and to compensate for that Vince Young went into the Horseshoe and beat Ohio State.

If you are going to credit Cutcliffe with Shuler, then you also have to throw in all 17 years he was with UT, in which he sent only 2 quarterbacks to the NFL (Peyton and Shuler.)  So, the other 9 years and 4 QBs just got left out in the cold.  Great track record...still don't know what the whole catdaddy thing as about.
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and dont forget the coaching job he did on tee martin. I mean he did coach him to a NCAA championship. i dont see why stoops gets credit and he has how many qb's in the nfl??? and you want to rip on Cutcliffe???
 
#45
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I would not put Cutcliffe in a class titled, "good QB coaches," definitely not "great QB coaches." In 17 years, Cutcliffe has produced 3 first round QBs. In 11 years, Jeff Tedford has produced 5...and none of the 5 had the priviledge of 18 years of tutilege under Archie Manning, on a weighted scale, it would be more like 5 in 11 years, to 1 in 17 years.
 
#46
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 6:40 PM
I would not put Cutcliffe in a class titled, "good QB coaches," definitely not "great QB coaches."  In 17 years, Cutcliffe has produced 3 first round QBs.  In 11 years, Jeff Tedford has produced 5...and none of the 5 had the priviledge of 18 years of tutilege under Archie Manning, on a weighted scale, it would be more like 5 in 11 years, to 1 in 17 years.
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If you are going to that detail, weren't the Manning boys at a disadvantage of not playing in more competitive highschool leagues? How do you factor those things into a wieghted scale?

I wonder why Archie, in all of his wisdom didn't hand pick Tedford to coach his boys.
 
#47
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Dec 9, 2005 7:35 PM
Catdaddy: noun... nickname assigned by Lexvol when addressing some posters on Volnation.  Latin derivitive: Feline Padre

I would say that Andy, Tee, and Heath Shuler all over achieved.  Now, how many QB coaches have had three number one draft picks overall?
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Jeff Tedford??? Not David Cutcliffe (Heath Shuler was a #3.) Nice try though.
 
#48
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 6:43 PM
Jeff Tedford???  Not David Cutcliffe (Heath Shuler was a #3.)  Nice try though.
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So he had nothing to do with the development of Tee and Andy.

Since you are giving Archie so much credit for being a guru, then why did he pick Cut to coach his kids? I guess Charlie Wiess had a brain fart when he hired him as well huh? I have heard that Wiess is a genious.

Are you a former OC?
 
#49
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Dec 9, 2005 7:47 PM
So he had nothing to do with the development of Tee and Andy. 

Since you are giving Archie so much credit for being a guru, then why did he pick Cut to coach his kids?  I guess Charlie Wiess had a brain fart when he hired him as well huh?  I have heard that Wiess is a genious.
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Yeah, apparently Weiss needed him too...Brady Quinn sets every ND passing record this year. Oh wait, if Cutcliffe was still there, you would be crediting him with that success.

Peyton wanted to stay in the South but didn't want to play under Archie's shadow (he has even made that statement in interviews) so he went to UT. Eli had grown up always wanting to play for Ole Miss. But, you can assume that both are habitual liars if you want to.
 
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i agree with sona, that CUT is not the greatest QB coach in the world. on the other hand he's pretty good. i would not classify him as great, but i would have to say he is very good. if he can turn ainge into something that resembles a division 1 QB i would say he is great. he is still not in telaford's league though. teleford is the mastermind of the QB'S.
 
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