Arky St. forced to remove crosses from their helmets

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K-town Vol Fan said:
Its called seperation of church and state. Its in the constitution. A state University is funded by the state. The state paid for the uniforms. The state endorsed Christianity. It is a clear violation of the constitution. The constitution should never be violated, thats how crazy people still have guns. You cant just pick and choose which constitutional amendments are enforced or followed.
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That is not separation of church and state. Separation of church and state simply means the church doesn't tell the government what to do and government doesn't tell the church what to do. The only problem is now...the government is trying to tell the church and Christians what to do.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Its called seperation of church and state. Its in the constitution. A state University is funded by the state. The state paid for the uniforms. The state endorsed Christianity. It is a clear violation of the constitution. The constitution should never be violated, thats how crazy people still have guns. You cant just pick and choose which constitutional amendments are enforced or followed.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe separation of church and state is ever mentioned in the Constitution. For the record, I'm all for the separation of church and state, but I don't believe some players having a cross on their helmets is a real concern.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Okay, say a player chose not to wear the cross. That players will likely be ridiculed, harassed, probably called a Satan worshipper, and outcast by all of the Christians because that is what Christians do. If you dont share their beliefs, you are below them or evil. To avoid this, the player will probably just keep his mouth shut and go along with it. You just forced religion on someone.
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So we are basing this decision off of 3 hypotheticals and then drawing very broad (and highly unlikely) conclusions from it.

You really can't make this stuff up. People like this^ get their panties in a wad for somebody else, when said person has no issue with it in the first place. It's the world we live in now, unfortunately.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Okay, say a player chose not to wear the cross. That players will likely be ridiculed, harassed, probably called a Satan worshipper, and outcast by all of the Christians because that is what Christians do. If you dont share their beliefs, you are below them or evil. To avoid this, the player will probably just keep his mouth shut and go along with it. You just forced religion on someone.
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How is wearing a cross in remembrance of a friend of the team forcing religion on anyone? You're making some large hypothetical leaps in your logic.

Also how do you know the state provided the uniforms? How do uou know they didn't come out of the private athletic department budget? How do you know the kids didn't chip in for the cross? See I can make hypotheticals too.
 
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Cross? What cross? All I see is a lower case "t". I figured it just stood for "tribute".

The only reason this is an issue is because somebody wanted some attention by pointing it out. Hate that.
 
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This is moronic. The school was not endorsing a religion as it was clearly a tribute to two individuals who were both Christians.
 
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How would everyone feel if they decided to put a pentagram on their helmets to mourn Wiccan teammates or god forbid a crescent moon for a Muslim teammate that had died?
 
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volfanhill said:
How they chose to remember a friend is their decision not mine
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Yes but if your views are different and your not a Christian then you shouldn't be forced to wear it. And a state school shouldn't endorse any religion unless they are a religious university. By placing a helmet sticker it would be, even if in a minuscule way, endorsing said religion.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Yes but if your views are different and your not a Christian then you shouldn't be forced to wear it. And a state school shouldn't endorse any religion unless they are a religious university. By placing a helmet sticker it would be, even if in a minuscule way, endorsing said religion.
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Did you miss the part where it was their choice and not forced........I could care less if they put a pentagram or a half moon to show support for a fallen teammate. I guarantee the FFR wouldn't have stuck their nose in it if it was one of the other religions.
 
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still waiting for this to be complained about ---
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volbeast33 said:
Did you miss the part where it was their choice and not forced........I could care less if they put a pentagram or a half moon to show support for a fallen teammate. I guarantee the FFR wouldn't have stuck their nose in it if it was one of the other religions.
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I did miss that part. But my point remains about a non-religious state university not endorsing any religion. Use the players numbers as a sticker and all of this is avoided.
 
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volfan_89 said:
I did miss that part. But my point remains about a non-religious state university not endorsing any religion. Use the players numbers as a sticker and all of this is avoided.
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All this is avoidable if people weren't idiots.......I wish they had of taken Liberty University's offer.
 
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volfan_89 said:
I did miss that part. But my point remains about a non-religious state university not endorsing any religion. Use the players numbers as a sticker and all of this is avoided.
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How? The students wanted to do it. It's their business.
 
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volfan_89 said:
People are idiots though. There is no avoiding that.
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That doesn't mean we should bow down to the idiots....I'm not real religious but I think it is great that the teammates showed respect to their fallen friends.
 
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Answering both the previous posts: it's because it was on the schools helmet and thereby the school endorsed Christianity. It would be similar an employ of a business using the company letter head to send out letters with their own personal beliefs.

Let the individual players do their own thing. Like Tebows eye black.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Answering both the previous posts: it's because it was one the schools helmet and thereby the school endorsed Christianity. It would be similar an employ of a business using the company letter head to send out letters with their own personal beliefs.

Let the individual players do their own thing. Like Tebows eye black.
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You have to be looking for outrage to feel that way. Life must suck to be so offended easily.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
You have to be looking for outrage to feel that way. Life must suck to be so offended easily.
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Where did I ever say I was offered by this? I honestly don't care. However I don't believe any state run school should be allowed to endorse any religion and there are regulations against it.

Like I said I'm all for the players showing support on their own.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Where did I ever say I was offered by this? I honestly don't care. However I don't believe any state run school should be allowed to endorse any religion and there are regulations against it.

Like I said I'm all for the players showing support on their own.
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okay, I'll ask once again then: How is the state endorsing a religion when the PLAYERS all decided they wanted to do this to commemorate some people?
 
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Slydell said:
I think if it appears on state/federal property, it is considered an endorsement. Just my thoughts.
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This. The players chose to do it on the uniforms owned by the school with the school logo and name on them. The eye black comment earlier was a good one. Something like that would be the way to do this if they wanted to keep the cross.
 
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