Arnett Officially to Michigan State

[GatorBill]

They were talkin with his brother before he was released.

please send me the transcripts, or a link.

 

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In some cases, yes. But if he really just wanted to be closer to his sick dad, then why not just let him transfer to a decent team and play near home without penalty? Unlike some on here, who aren't above this type of behavior, I'm not going to be the guy who accuses a player of lying about wanting to be close to a sick parent regardless of what said relationship has been in the past. Even if it means going home to develop a relationship with a previously estranged parent who is now sick or dying, then good for Arnett.

Because the issue here is the willingness of Arnett AND his family to drag UT through the mud to get what THEY wanted. Admittedly, I wasn't as "read up" on this as I am now. The first I actually heard of it was when I was in N. Al visiting my parents. This came out in the media and you would have thought that CDD and the AD had told Arnett he could only transfer to Iran. That was the media representation from out of town. But, when you get down to it, the prevailing thoughts are that:

1) His dad was sick and in bad shape BEFORE he made his decision to go to a school so far away from home.
2) He was asked about this repeatedly prior to being offered.
3) He said basically that he didn't have anything to do with his dad and didn't want to.
4) At the end of last season he decided to transfer and was going to use ANY method to get there.
5) CDD wasn't holding him hostage and was merely following AD rules.
6) When Arnett talked to him face to face, CDD released him without limitation. All the decision BS took place in about a week start to finish.
7) No matter what CDD did, he looked like the bad guy and received no "help" from Arnett and his family until after he got EXACTLY what he AND his family wanted from UT.
8) Eligibility decision up to the NCAA.

Please correct me if I have the thoughts/rumors wrong. I won't call them facts because I don't know them to be facts.

 

[Vol2424]

please send me the transcripts, or a link.

Let me ask you this ...

Do you doubt that he did?

There is no link , but it was going around when Deanthony was telling everyone at Tennessee he was staying. Even if you looked Eric and Deanthony in the eye and asked them what happend , you would never get the truth. Now , can we just be done with all of this? Or do they pay you to defend them on Volnation? Seriously GatorBill , you seem like a good person. Just let it go. Arnett got his way. That should be enough for you.

 

[GatorBill]

Because the issue here is the willingness of Arnett AND his family to drag UT through the mud to get what THEY wanted. Admittedly, I wasn't as "read up" on this as I am now. The first I actually heard of it was when I was in N. Al visiting my parents. This came out in the media and you would have thought that CDD and the AD had told Arnett he could only transfer to Iran. That was the media representation from out of town. But, when you get down to it, the prevailing thoughts are that:

1) His dad was sick and in bad shape BEFORE he made his decision to go to a school so far away from home.
2) He was asked about this repeatedly prior to being offered.
3) He said basically that he didn't have anything to do with his dad and didn't want to.
4) At the end of last season he decided to transfer and was going to use ANY method to get there.
5) CDD wasn't holding him hostage and was merely following AD rules.
6) When Arnett talked to him face to face, CDD released him without limitation. All the decision BS took place in about a week start to finish.
7) No matter what CDD did, he looked like the bad guy and received no "help" from Arnett and his family until after he got EXACTLY what he AND his family wanted from UT.
8) Eligibility decision up to the NCAA.

Please correct me if I have the thoughts/rumors wrong. I won't call them facts because I don't know them to be facts.

You have a very good representation of what happened. I would add a couple comments here and there, but basically you have it correct.

My adds would be as follows (And these are really the only things we differ on, so Im not arguing with you at all here)

1d) He was sick. But not yet on dialysis, and 2 heart attacks since dA left for Knoxville

3c) I think distance may have changed his mind a bit. His dads health may have scared him a bit. (opinion, based on some family comments)

4b) actually started thought of transferring in September. Things changed back home. Hard to explain. *tried to find the link, Ive read it a few places

8k) with resistance from 2 NCAA schools, most likely (from my sources) to be michigan and. . . . not certain of the 2nd school. Could be UT trying to make sure his story still lines up, could be O$U?? Doesnt matter. The first one Im certain is michigan

2 quick notes:
1) from dArnetts "letter"

My mom is in a finacial bond my father was forced to retire from his job at General Motors because of a Lung Diseas on Disability, so I started recieving social security checks for a monthly payment of 1100 a month. I was 14 years old when most of this occured so I was un able to recieve my own check until I turned 18 years old so she always controlled my money and she used that as part of her income. When I turned 18 years old the checks came in my name but my mom and I always shared the funds with her. When June came upon my graduation I recieved a letter from the social security adminstration that my checks would be cut when I graduated so a 1100$ of income was taken from my mother household. She only attended one game this past season.

2) The night before the Arkansas game, dA was up until 4am on twitter, talking with folks back home about a friend who had been shot. I know because I was up and on the puter with my brother who learned that night that he has cancer. That night of dA's twitter has been deleted. I believe the coaching staff found out about it and made him delete it. I promise to you all that my words from that night were "you are in a better place, and the farther you are from Sagnasty the better your life will be." and never strayed from that line. Him and I have only exchanged a few twitter messages, but that was the only one that involved home.

and sorry, my notes were not as short as I thought they would be.

Also: Im not a twitter stalker, but we have friends in common, so it was a natural "follow"

 

[GatorBill]

Let me ask you this ...

Do you doubt that he did?

There is no link , but it was going around when Deanthony was telling everyone at Tennessee he was staying. Even if you looked Eric and Deanthony in the eye and asked them what happend , you would never get the truth. Now , can we just be done with all of this? Or do they pay you to defend them on Volnation? Seriously GatorBill , you seem like a good person. Just let it go. Arnett got his way. That should be enough for you.

I can answer 100% certain that his brother approached the MSU staff.

I can also say with 100% certainty that the MSU staff told him "we cannot talk to you or deanthony as long as he is under scholarship at another school. If he has thoughts of transferring he has to work that out with HIS coach first"

Add to that, 100% certain that he has friends on the MSU AND um teams that approached their coaches about the possibility of dA transferring in and I cannot speak for the um staff, but I can say that the MSU staff said "that is between deanthony arnett and his coaches, and we cannot get into that"

Quick note. I went to college with one of MSU's coaches. I went to HS with a fella at tNCAA, and I have an unconfirmed rumor that one coach at um stepped out of line. (former schoolmate of dA's brother)

a kid that played HS ball for me is currently the neighbor of an MSU coach as well. While I am not 100% connected, I do have people that like me, and they are in well positioned places. hahaha. Im still just a nobody schmuck.

I appreciate that you and glen are being EXTREMELY reasonable in your postings, and I hope that you understand that Im not an Arnett slappy, and I dont think the kid is perfect, infact I think he really screwed this thing up. (but I hope he scores a sheeeeeet ton of TDs in the Green and White)

But some of the stories are just a little too over the top for me to let go. I find it hard to slam an 18 year old when they screw up. And I was also bored at work today. One of those days.

I like a great debate, especially with people who are respectful in the process. Thanks for understanding that Im not trying to be a schmuck here. I look forward to more enjoyable conversations!!

 

[Negateer]

The guy only gets 4 years to play college football which oftentimes doubles as an audition for the NFL, so why should he be forced to give up 25% of that time because he wasn't happy at UT?.

Because if we let players move around at will, the whole sport will suffer. There have to be rules.

Mmmkay? Try to think critically. Use your brain.

My concern is only for a person that wants to have a relationship with his father..

lmao

It should be pointed out that there is a fella named Alex Bullard that transferred from ND to UT because of family issues, and was granted a waiver to be eligible immediately. He then started 12/12 games.[/B]

So? There are hardship cases every year, all over the country. Some get accepted, some get denied.

You see (I'll type slowly for you) EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT.

You seem to be saying that either all must be denied, or all must be accepted.

Surely you can't be saying that. Surely you're not that...um...dumb?

 

[GatorBill]

Because if we let players move around at will, the whole sport will suffer. There have to be rules.

Mmmkay? Try to think critically. Use your brain.



lmao Seriously. I love football, but it is just a sport. Read my other posts. I dont give a flying rip through a rolling doughnut where this kid plays ball. If you knew me at all, and I understand that I am new here, and you do not know me, you would know that I mean this.



So? There are hardship cases every year, all over the country. Some get accepted, some get denied.

You see (I'll type slowly for you) EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT. No kidding? I understand that completely. But these two cases are fairly similar, up to and including the fact that they could have transferred to other schools that were actually closer to home. More importantly it showed that UT is willing to take a transfer, but doesnt like to lose them. That is approximately where the similarities end, because the Bullard kid seems like he handled things the right way and dArnett did not. Im not arguing that at all.

You seem to be saying that either all must be denied, or all must be accepted. No. I am not saying that at all. Infact, I believe that the kid who went from USC to ND, just because his father got a new job, should not have been granted a waiver. But they granted one.

Surely you can't be saying that. Surely you're not that...um...dumb?

If you take just the facts, and leave out the absolute horrible public relations mistakes that both sides made (Mostly Arnett), then this case is just as much a no-brainer as the Bullard case.

Just take glens timeline, because it is very good, and add in that in September dArnetts dad's condition got worse.

Add in that dArnetts dad had 2 heart attacks.

Remember that before he left for college, he had virtually no relationship with his father, but health issues like this can change an 18 year old.


Add in his family is suffering financially, because his check is now gone, and they didnt know that was going to happen. They cannot afford to visit like they originally planned.


Im not arguing UT's policy. I think they could have handled it differently. But, they have a good policy.

Im actually saying that dArnett could have made many better choices in how he handled this thing. He handled it very immaturely.

He is 18, almost 19 years old. He made mistakes. He chose to say things that he shouldnt have. He took advice from people that didnt give good advice. Ive heard enough from him since the move that I think he is starting to learn from this. It is going to be a long process.

Football is just a part of life. I played football for a long time. I played football in college (briefly) I played football after college (again, briefly), and I have coached a sheeet ton of football. I know it's place in life. He is going to learn a lot from this game, and maturity will be the most important result.

 

[Negateer]

""'then this case is just as much a no-brainer as the Bullard case."""

Uh huh.

Let's see, one of them had a dad who got ill after signing. A dad with whom he had a good relationship.

The other had a dad who was always ill, even before he signed. A dad with whom he had, according to his own words, no good relationship.

As far as I can see, the only thing they have in common is that one came to Tennessee, and one left Tennessee.

 

[GatorBill]

""'then this case is just as much a no-brainer as the Bullard case."""

Uh huh.

Let's see, one of them had a dad who got ill after signing. A dad with whom he had a good relationship.

The other had a dad who was always ill, even before he signed. A dad with whom he had, according to his own words, no good relationship.

As far as I can see, the only thing they have in common is that one came to Tennessee, and one left Tennessee.

I will admit to: Similar, yet different.



and I will glaaaaaaaaaaaaaadly move on.