Arnett Officially to Michigan State

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I don't care for how he went about getting released.

But I have a feeling if some highly regarded recruit turned his back on his commitment to come here for whatever reason, there would be no problem with it.
 
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UTwild82 said:
Some of you are idiots. The kid changed his mind. His dad was sick, the WR Coach that recruited him left, so he wanted to leave as well. He played hard for us last year and gave us what he had. I wish him the best and hope he has a great career. He took a chance on coming down to K town and, in the end, it didn't pan out. How many of us try stuff and it doesn't pan out? Lord knows I have. I can't believe grown ass people are acting this way over a 18/19 year old kid. of course he didn't handle it well, HE"S 18!

This may be for another discussion, but the system is so rigged against the players. Coaches can come and go as they please. Scholarships can be pulled after a year. Why is it hell on earth for kids to transfer after a year, when that same scholly could be pulled from them at any moment? i think they should be able to transfer after each season if they want. Coaches can. In my opinion, if scholarships are given on a per year basis, then after that year in which the kid has performed his duties he should be free to go. Anywhere he wants. No questions asked. That only seems fair to me.
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This is one of the main reasons he left.. to go along with Da'rick and probably just being unhappy here.

I don't really have a problem with him leaving. But the fact is he used his sick dad as an excuse to leave when that was clearly not the reason he was leaving - because he was in the same condition he was in when Arnett signed his LOI to UT. He would be here if Baggett was still here. The fact that he lied and went and cried to yahoo to try to bring us down and drag UT's name through the mud in order to pressure Dooley to release him without restrictions if downright childish.

If his dad were really sick and that was the reason for him leaving then he would have had no issue going to play for CMU or EMU or whatever small school is closest to Saginaw. It's also stupid he's getting the waiver to play next year considering the reasons he left - but that's not that big of a deal to me considering the NCAA wouldn't know he was being dishonest.. Dooley knew - which is why he refused to release him to those schools for so long.. The fact that he lied his way out of his commitment rather than taking accountability is dumb. Its disrespectful to your family and your sick father to try to play that off as the reason you left when it wasn't.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
This is one of the main reasons he left.. to go along with Da'rick and probably just being unhappy here.

I don't really have a problem with him leaving. But the fact is he used his sick dad as an excuse to leave when that was clearly not the reason he was leaving - because he was in the same condition he was in when Arnett signed his LOI to UT. He would be here if Baggett was still here. The fact that he lied and went and cried to yahoo to try to bring us down and drag UT's name through the mud in order to pressure Dooley to release him without restrictions if downright childish.

If his dad were really sick and that was the reason for him leaving then he would have had no issue going to play for CMU or EMU or whatever small school is closest to Saginaw. It's also stupid he's getting the waiver to play next year considering the reasons he left - but that's not that big of a deal to me considering the NCAA wouldn't know he was being dishonest.. Dooley knew - which is why he refused to release him to those schools for so long.. The fact that he lied his way out of his commitment rather than taking accountability is dumb. Its disrespectful to your family and your sick father to try to play that off as the reason you left when it wasn't.
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I agree, he handled it poorly. You could also be right that he simply used that as an excuse. There is no way to know that for sure, but it's very possible.

But there are many reasons that went into this I'm sure. Maybe being way from his father was harder than he thought. Let's be honest here, the recruiting process is like used car sales. The guy recruiting you will tell you anything to get you to come. I'm sure Coach Baggett was telling him "it won't be so bad", "you can call him anytime you want", etc. Then, being 17 or 18, he bought it. Then he arrives and bam, he realizes he's made a mistake. Hypothetical situation, for sure, but it seems as likley as anything else. I was just surprised at some of the reactions in this thread of what a awful person he now is. Typical Vol fan overreaction I guess (See the 5K+ post Dalton Santos meltdown thread in the recruiting section).

I just hate this system that demands a 17/18 year old make up their mind for 4 to 5 years and let's coaches go anytime they like. And I wouldn't have a problem with that if the scholly was guaranteed for 4 years.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
This is one of the main reasons he left.. to go along with Da'rick and probably just being unhappy here.

I don't really have a problem with him leaving. But the fact is he used his sick dad as an excuse to leave when that was clearly not the reason he was leaving - because he was in the same condition he was in when Arnett signed his LOI to UT. He would be here if Baggett was still here. The fact that he lied and went and cried to yahoo to try to bring us down and drag UT's name through the mud in order to pressure Dooley to release him without restrictions if downright childish.

If his dad were really sick and that was the reason for him leaving then he would have had no issue going to play for CMU or EMU or whatever small school is closest to Saginaw. It's also stupid he's getting the waiver to play next year considering the reasons he left - but that's not that big of a deal to me considering the NCAA wouldn't know he was being dishonest.. Dooley knew - which is why he refused to release him to those schools for so long.. The fact that he lied his way out of his commitment rather than taking accountability is dumb. Its disrespectful to your family and your sick father to try to play that off as the reason you left when it wasn't.
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I agree 100% and this is exactly what he did.
 
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UTwild82 said:
I agree, he handled it poorly. You could also be right that he simply used that as an excuse. There is no way to know that for sure, but it's very possible.

But there are many reasons that went into this I'm sure. Maybe being way from his father was harder than he thought.
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If that's the case , he's been missing him most of his life. Arnett never held back talking about not knowing his real father. He didn't even mention his dad when he made his choice. He also put out a video talking about how he grew up and said that his brother Eric was basically his father. I'm sure the person he thinks of as his dad helped him with this process of leaving. I'm sorry his dad is sick , but putting up that picture of him and crying to Yahoo was just to get his way. Remember those words ... "Coach Dooley ... Coach Dooley is going to make me a man" while he held back tears. Would that not imply a lack of a father figure? I'm not bashing him , but he said it himself...."I might be an actor if football doesn't work out." I believe he would make a good one with the work he has done so far. I hope he makes it and wish him well. Just don't piss on our leg and tell us it's raining.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
This is one of the main reasons he left.. to go along with Da'rick and probably just being unhappy here.

I don't really have a problem with him leaving. But the fact is he used his sick dad as an excuse to leave when that was clearly not the reason he was leaving - because he was in the same condition he was in when Arnett signed his LOI to UT. He would be here if Baggett was still here. The fact that he lied and went and cried to yahoo to try to bring us down and drag UT's name through the mud in order to pressure Dooley to release him without restrictions if downright childish.

If his dad were really sick and that was the reason for him leaving then he would have had no issue going to play for CMU or EMU or whatever small school is closest to Saginaw. It's also stupid he's getting the waiver to play next year considering the reasons he left - but that's not that big of a deal to me considering the NCAA wouldn't know he was being dishonest.. Dooley knew - which is why he refused to release him to those schools for so long.. The fact that he lied his way out of his commitment rather than taking accountability is dumb. Its disrespectful to your family and your sick father to try to play that off as the reason you left when it wasn't.
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I agree that it was childish, but Dooley put UT in the position to be dragged through the mud. If he had just released Arnett when he first asked, none of the stuff with Yahoo ever happens. I don't care for Dooley as a coach, but he's far from an idiot. He had to know how things would play out if the media got wind of the fact he wasn't going to release a kid with a sick father. Why Dooley chose to go down that road is beyond me.
 
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I'm glad he's gone. But his reasoning of 'my dad's ill' was total bs. His dad was already ill.

He wussed out, them's the facts.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I agree that it was childish, but Dooley put UT in the position to be dragged through the mud. If he had just released Arnett when he first asked, none of the stuff with Yahoo ever happens. I don't care for Dooley as a coach, but he's far from an idiot. He had to know how things would play out if the media got wind of the fact he wasn't going to release a kid with a sick father. Why Dooley chose to go down that road is beyond me.
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Why should we release a kid to a division I school like Michigan or Michigan State? Especially when we had back to back years of taking one of the top players out of their state in recruiting? Dooley gave him his release - just not to SEC schools, teams we play in the future, and the big Michigan schools - I don't see a problem with that at all since he wussed out to begin with.. he didn't even have to offer any release considering the dishonesty. I'm one of the biggest Dooley bashers on this forum and actually am defending his actions here.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Why should we release a kid to a division I school like Michigan or Michigan State? Especially when we had back to back years of taking one of the top players out of their state in recruiting? Dooley gave him his release - just not to SEC schools, teams we play in the future, and the big Michigan schools - I don't see a problem with that at all since he wussed out to begin with.. he didn't even have to offer any release considering the dishonesty. I'm one of the biggest Dooley bashers on this forum and actually am defending his actions here.
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I don't really know, I guess I'm just kind of have the "life's too short" mentality. We're talking about an 18 year old kid who things didn't work out the way he had expected, but I don't see how holding him hostage here, or banishing him to some JC or D-II school that might hurt his future chances does anyone a lot of good. It's just a game, and there's no sense in ruining several years of the guys life over it. Just let him go home.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I agree that it was childish, but Dooley put UT in the position to be dragged through the mud. If he had just released Arnett when he first asked, none of the stuff with Yahoo ever happens. I don't care for Dooley as a coach, but he's far from an idiot. He had to know how things would play out if the media got wind of the fact he wasn't going to release a kid with a sick father. Why Dooley chose to go down that road is beyond me.
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Awesome post.

Not to get in the middle of this discussion but this was a PR battle that Dooley was never going to win. It should have never played out the way it did.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I don't really know, I guess I'm just kind of have the "life's too short" mentality. We're talking about an 18 year old kid who things didn't work out the way he had expected, but I don't see how holding him hostage here, or banishing him to some JC or D-II school that might hurt his future chances does anyone a lot of good. It's just a game, and there's no sense in ruining several years of the guys life over it. Just let him go home.
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I know who you are, you're Coach Richt.
 
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Not to mention , the same week he started crying to yahoo , he was selling pair(s) of Air Jordan Concords for like $400 dollars on his twitter account. Who knows where , or how he got them. When that made it to the boards he locked his twitter account. He did open it back up to post his dad's picture after he ran to Yahoo. No , it wasn't shoes this time , but he was still selling something. His "story" to get his way. He didn't give a damn about anything but himself.

Like BMB said , he got his release. It just wasn't to the school he wanted. Arnett wanted to be closer to his sick father. That is what Dooley tried to make happen. I know the distance isn't that much different from where he wanted to go , but it was "closer" to his dad. What he wanted , wasn't what he was going to get. So he had to make it happen. Several people were saying Eric was talking to MSU before Arnett ever left. But leave it to Arnett the actor to make sure he tells everyone he isn't leaving Tennessee.

Yes , it's over and he is gone , but you can't give everyone their way when they are bull****ting you. Dooley knew it , but really had no choice because of the media. I guess if Dooley came out with the facts , he would still look like the bad guy here. The fact that he gave him his release. The fact that his dad was not around him for most of his life and was sick when he made his choice. The fact that everything he said and did was nothing but an excuse. The best of all was that joke of a letter he wrote that had to be translated into something everyone could understand by another person.

Even if his dad wasn't really a great father to DeAnthony , I hope we don't forget about him here and keep him in our thoughts. I'm not sure anyone else is. Even players like Bryce told the truth when they left. I said it before and will say it again , I hope he makes it. But that doesn't mean I have to respect the way he decided to handle this situation. Running to the media when you got what you asked for? Whatever MeAnthony.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I don't really know, I guess I'm just kind of have the "life's too short" mentality. We're talking about an 18 year old kid who things didn't work out the way he had expected, but I don't see how holding him hostage here, or banishing him to some JC or D-II school that might hurt his future chances does anyone a lot of good. It's just a game, and there's no sense in ruining several years of the guys life over it. Just let him go home.
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I know what you mean , but how does it help him or his father being closer? We both know that playing at MSU isn't going to help them bond or help his ill father. Just call it like it is. His dad being sick was his way out. He got that and it wasn't good enough. Maybe Dooley got what he wanted when Arnett showed him that it really wasn't about his dad at all.

You just can't give a player his way everytime things get tough. This is biggest point in this whole mess. People forget the time , money and support the university invests in them.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
You're a very convincing liar.
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Not.

Phat-Phil said:
U sure bout all of that or r u talking out of your ___?
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Dialysis started last September.
Heart Surgery, cannot remember exactly, but it was after dialysis started.



Its a bad situation. The kid started thinking about transferring shortly after he got to campus. (sometime in september) He had issues with friends/neighbors getting shot back home (night before the arkansas) game he was tweeting with friends back home about it. he was up til about 4am.


Seriously, Im not trying to hate on you folks, and I really wish this situation had went differently. I think it was handled poorly from both sides. And now we dont have any choice but to move on.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Besides - going to CMU or EMU isn't going to lower his chances at all of making it to the next level.
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CMU is slightly farther from his family than MSU. EMU is a sheeethole that I wouldnt wish on anyone.

But you are right, the NFL would have found him at CMU, or at D3 Saginaw Valley State University.

HOWEVER, I think that is being petty. This is less offensive that so many transfers that happen every year.
 
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GatorBill said:
Not.



Dialysis started last September.
Heart Surgery, cannot remember exactly, but it was after dialysis started.



Its a bad situation. The kid started thinking about transferring shortly after he got to campus. (sometime in september) He had issues with friends/neighbors getting shot back home (night before the arkansas) game he was tweeting with friends back home about it. he was up til about 4am.


Seriously, Im not trying to hate on you folks, and I really wish this situation had went differently. I think it was handled poorly from both sides. And now we dont have any choice but to move on.
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I agree,he's gone.wish he would have stayed but oh well.
 
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loggervol said:
I agree,he's gone.wish he would have stayed but oh well.
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:good!::good!:

I wish he was still here. My kid wishes he was still here. He was a connection, of sorts, to "Back Home" for us. My kid enjoyed seeing his Saginaw tshirt on campus once in a while. And the occasional chat about back home helped ease the stress of being away from mom and pop.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I don't really know, I guess I'm just kind of have the "life's too short" mentality. We're talking about an 18 year old kid who things didn't work out the way he had expected, but I don't see how holding him hostage here, or banishing him to some JC or D-II school that might hurt his future chances does anyone a lot of good. It's just a game, and there's no sense in ruining several years of the guys life over it. Just let him go home.
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Exactly... the whole holding kids hostage is bogus.

If college football wants to offer contracts to kids like the NFL, that might be different. A scholarship is not enough to own a player, especially those with Arnett's talent.
 
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