As basically a new team...

[Ttucke11]

I honestly think you will see less "dumb" mistakes this season than last. We don't have an idiot as a coach.

 

[callmecrockett]

Even if we have the same record and miss a bowl again, if there is progress then I'll be happy. I can't be mad a team that will at least battle for a game, make good tackles, and not give up when we get down by one score. I'm just tired of thinking of the worst possible scenario, then watching it happen right in front of me every week.

 

[ric1958]

*yellow flag*
"Too many men on the field"

I hope we're done with that.

Don`t count on it.

It happens all the time. Dooley did not invent it.

 

[KBVol]

Don`t count on it.

It happens all the time. Dooley did not invent it.

Didn't invent, but at times seemed like he was trying to perfect it.

 

[UGADawg4Life]

I honestly think you will see less "dumb" mistakes this season than last. We don't have an idiot as a coach.

You talking about the Virginia and UGA Law School grad who is now a millionaire, and coaching in the Cowboys organization? That idiot? You must have quite an impressive resume to be using such terms about him!!

 

[Obsessed]

You talking about the Virginia and UGA Law School grad who is now a millionaire, and coaching in the Cowboys organization? That idiot? You must have quite an impressive resume to be using such terms about him!!

It's a true term about him. He was our coach for 3 long damn years. We have a right to form a opinion about him. Dooley while is a good man is a idiot on the football field.

 

[golf437]

I honestly think you will see less "dumb" mistakes this season than last. We don't have an idiot as a coach.

Sad that they are always classless post.

 

[sjt18]

Dooley was correctly fired at about the right time.... 3 or 4 weeks late IMO... but the right season. It is always "interesting" though to watch people post here as if everything he did was bad and that the program was left in terrible shape. It wasn't.

Every team except Bama and maybe a few others have many of the same problems UT has right now. They replace experienced players with inexperienced ones. They learn new systems.

Folks... the sky is NOT, repeat NOT, falling. UT has talent and depth at OL. They return two RB's who avg'd close to 5 ypc in a pass focused offense. They return two QB's with at least one year in CFB and one with starting experience. They have talent at every position on the defensive side but thin at LB.

WR is thin but just watching some of what they are doing with Paul Harris... I don't think that will be a fatal problem.

Jones looks to be a confident coach who believes in his system and has 100% buy in from all of his coaches. As opposed to some of his previous stops, it appears that most if not all of the players are buying in.

Just for reference... compare this to what Dooley in fact did inherit. NO QB- a JUCO and true Fr coming in to compete for the job. The JUCO was a notable bust... even for a 3*.

One returning OL with anything like SEC talent.

One RB with proven ability to play in the SEC. He had Jones, Moore, and Stocker at receiver but that was about it other than incoming Fr... and remember that Moore really wasn't considered anything special up to that point. Jones was a possession type of WR without much speed.

Holes all over the defensive side in both experience and talent. A walk on led the team in tackles. A transfer DE was the best DL they had... playing as an undersized DT.

IIRC, 17 Fr saw significant PT in BOTH of Dooley's first two years.

Dooley couldn't coach on gameday. He apparently had relationship issues with people around the program but more importantly with HSFB coaches. But he did restore a level of discipline to the program that neither Kiffin nor Fulmer had. The players' skills WERE developed and improved.

IMHO, he has done for UT something fairly close to what he did for LT. He took a program that was in the toilet and built a foundation. He has a disconnect when it actually comes to be a gameday HC.... He's prickly with people around the program. But Jones has a better starting place because of Dooley's efforts.

 

[sjt18]

It's a true term about him. He was our coach for 3 long damn years. We have a right to form a opinion about him. Dooley while is a good man is a idiot on the football field.

Not really. He just doesn't know how to get it done on game day. That plagued him at LT and then at UT. He's a good set up man for programs in bad shape. He's a very good administrator of a program. He's just not a good "coach" when the lights come on. There are coaches like that... players like that... and people in every walk of life like that.

It does not mean he's an "idiot" on or off the field. It just isn't what he does well.

 

[Chad F]

After spending many years training combat units, I've seen how concentrating on the small details and rehearsing those details along with repeated focus on basic fundamentals makes all the difference. With our talent level up but our experience down at some key positions, The reasonable expectation will be for quite a few rookie type errors ... however, if Jones' coaching style ( what we've seen of it anyway) translates to the field, it might be a quicker turn around.

That being said, I agree with he poster that said maybe a 7-6 season plus finally showing up and winning a bowl game. Either way, I have to believe that we've finally got the right coach.

 

[Chad F]

... and as for Dooley, I hope that everyone lays off the insults. Yes, he didn't get it done on game day and he had many issues with former players and H.S. coaches, but if you don't believe he was, at heart, a good man with the best of intentions, I think you're wrong. I was as crushed and angry as everyone else when he seemed to flop game after game, but we will see if he really set us up with a better foundation this year ... I tend to think he did and that Jones will now be able to lift the program back up.

 

[kohlrums]

How many gut wrenching, rookie mistakes are we likely to witness the first few games?

How deep into the season do you think we'll see them?






This is what Dooley has done to me apparently.

Because Dooley is not good at coaching football. Butch Jones is.

 

[sjt18]

That being said, I agree with he poster that said maybe a 7-6 season plus finally showing up and winning a bowl game. Either way, I have to believe that we've finally got the right coach.

If Jones finishes 7-6 with this team then UT definitely does not have the right coach. Prepare to go through it again in 2 or 3 years.

Teams win with youth at skill positions and QB. UT's defensive talent and experience is BETTER than it was when Wilcox had them mid-pack in the SEC with 22.6 ppg and 340 ypg. With just that kind of D... UT would have been a 9 or 10 win team in '12.

The short answer is that Jones inherits a team with talent and a good level of experience. He should be able to win games.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Also you hear him yelling in the practices "angle, angle"

I can't count the times brent brewer took terrible angles to the ball last year.

We've got a ball coach now. Not a wannabe.

not a dooley sympathizer by any means, but lets analyze it here. dooley was an intellectual, analytical mind. seemed to not be a people person. cbj is polar opposite.

dooley may be the perfect position coach. he may be a great attorney, or statistician. but head coach? you need a motivator, people person, who focuses on the correct details!

looks like cbj is starting some of thesw guys off at the very beginning, showing fundamentals....the right details.

 

[zidanefan]

We've got a ball coach now. Not a wannabe.

True - hopefully a ball coach who's ready for the big stage.

 

[sjt18]

not a dooley sympathizer by any means, but lets analyze it here. dooley was an intellectual, analytical mind. seemed to not be a people person. cbj is polar opposite.

dooley may be the perfect position coach. he may be a great attorney, or statistician. but head coach? you need a motivator, people person, who focuses on the correct details!

looks like cbj is starting some of thesw guys off at the very beginning, showing fundamentals....the right details.

Dooley seemed to be a "details" guy... in fact... kind of anal.

But being detail oriented is only good if you can take a big step backwards and take in the big picture. You have to make it all fit together in the end. Maybe that was/is his problem as a HC?

He did tend to disregard people and their feelings in the way he conducted his business. Without the gameday deficiencies... none of us would have cared.

 

[KBVol]

You talking about the Virginia and UGA Law School grad who is now a millionaire, and coaching in the Cowboys organization? That idiot? You must have quite an impressive resume to be using such terms about him!!

Agree. Dooleys not an idiot. He's not a good college football coach, but he's far from an idiot. If he is, pass me the dunce hat he's wearing.

 

[Burger]

Agree. Dooleys not an idiot. He's not a good college football coach, but he's far from an idiot. If he is, pass me the dunce hat he's wearing.

The guy was an idiot on the field. He called time outs at the worst time. You saw the same mistakes over and over again with Dooley.

 

[Vol$4Life]

You talking about the Virginia and UGA Law School grad who is now a millionaire, and coaching in the Cowboys organization? That idiot? You must have quite an impressive resume to be using such terms about him!!

2012 SEC Championship Alabama vs Georgia Highlights - YouTube

 

[Orangeslice13]

I honestly think you will see less "dumb" mistakes this season than last. We don't have an idiot as a coach.

We didn't have an idiot as a coach last time. Just a guy who made poor decisions under pressure.
CDD is a good position coach. It takes a special type to be a head coach. CDD didn't have it but he's not an idiot.

 

[KBVol]

If Jones finishes 7-6 with this team then UT definitely does not have the right coach. Prepare to go through it again in 2 or 3 years.

Teams win with youth at skill positions and QB. UT's defensive talent and experience is BETTER than it was when Wilcox had them mid-pack in the SEC with 22.6 ppg and 340 ypg. With just that kind of D... UT would have been a 9 or 10 win team in '12.

The short answer is that Jones inherits a team with talent and a good level of experience. He should be able to win games.

I'm going to assume you're not being sarcastic here, although my detector pretty much sucks anymore.

I agree with you about if we'd had just an average D last year we'd have won 9-10 games last year.... because of our Offense. That's both obvious and provable.

The rest, however, not so much. I don't think teams win with youth at skill positions, I think you win with talented experienced skilled players, juniors and seniors at QB, OLand WR, with RB being the possible exception.

My take on our where our experience is this year......

Offense-
QB- very little (Worley) to none (Peterman)- big problem

RB- much experience from two average SEC RBs- small problem

TE- no experience- problem

WR- very little experience (Howard, Dallas, Carter.... 33 career catches between them)- rather large problem.

OL- tremendous experience, strength of the team, one of the best OLs in the country - no problem

Defense-
DL- good experience, good talent, strength of the defense IMHO. However, have to learn new system, albeit a better-suited one, how to tackle - somewhat of a problem

LB- one very good LB (AJ), not much more, lack depth, need to learn how to tackle- problem.

DBs- a lot of experience, just not the kind you want; gotta learn how to take proper angles, pursuit, how to tackle. Slow footed. I would guess little confidence and have to learn new scheme. - big problem, biggest weakness on the team.

Kicker- Palardy... enough said... problem
Punter- Darr or Palardy? Palardy actually decent here, I think- problem? Meh.

Throw in that we have one of, if not the most difficult schedule in college football, and I don't see how in the world we say if he doesn't win more than 7 games that Jones is definitely not the right coach. I don't see how you can honestly get there.

I believe the team will be significantly better coached for obvious reasons. Moving back to 4-3 helps our defensive personnel, but there's still a lack of talent, speed, depth over there. Much work to be done and a lot of patience required.

This of course, jmho.

 

[BOP]

New team? Are you serious? Thid is one of the most experienced teams in the country.

 

[Catbone]

I'm going to assume you're not being sarcastic here, although my detector pretty much sucks anymore.

I agree with you about if we'd had just an average D last year we'd have won 9-10 games last year.... because of our Offense. That's both obvious and provable.

The rest, however, not so much. I don't think teams win with youth at skill positions, I think you win with talented experienced skilled players, juniors and seniors at QB, OLand WR, with RB being the possible exception.

My take on our where our experience is this year......

Offense-
QB- very little (Worley) to none (Peterman)- big problem

RB- much experience from two average SEC RBs- small problem

TE- no experience- problem

WR- very little experience (Howard, Dallas, Carter.... 33 career catches between them)- rather large problem.

OL- tremendous experience, strength of the team, one of the best OLs in the country - no problem

Defense-
DL- good experience, good talent, strength of the defense IMHO. However, have to learn new system, albeit a better-suited one, how to tackle - somewhat of a problem

LB- one very good LB (AJ), not much more, lack depth, need to learn how to tackle- problem.

DBs- a lot of experience, just not the kind you want; gotta learn how to take proper angles, pursuit, how to tackle. Slow footed. I would guess little confidence and have to learn new scheme. - big problem, biggest weakness on the team.

Kicker- Palardy... enough said... problem
Punter- Darr or Palardy? Palardy actually decent here, I think- problem? Meh.

Throw in that we have one of, if not the most difficult schedule in college football, and I don't see how in the world we say if he doesn't win more than 7 games that Jones is definitely not the right coach. I don't see how you can honestly get there.

I believe the team will be significantly better coached for obvious reasons. Moving back to 4-3 helps our defensive personnel, but there's still a lack of talent, speed, depth over there. Much work to be done and a lot of patience required.

This of course, jmho.

Well done. Good post.

 

[KBVol]

New team? Are you serious? Thid is one of the most experienced teams in the country.

New coaches, new system, new QB, new WRs... these matter.

Only experience Defense has is how to lineup incorrectly, run on and off the field just the ball is being snapped, how to identify the backs of different colored jerseys as they try to run them down, in futility.

I think it's a fairly new team with a lot of inexperience at key positions and alot of bad experience at others. Jmho.

 

[BOP]

New coaches, new system, new QB, new WRs... these matter.

Only experience Defense has is how to lineup incorrectly, run on and off the field just the ball is being snapped, how to identify the backs of different colored jerseys as they try to run them down, in futility.

I think it's a fairly new team with a lot of inexperience at key positions and alot of bad experience at others. Jmho.

Just because the team hasnt had much success doesnt mean it is new. This team is loaded with 3 year starters.